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Russian Spy Agency Denies Pentagon Report ~
Las Vegas Sun ^ | March 25, 2006 at 11:41:26 PST | JUDITH INGRAM ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 03/25/2006 4:34:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

MOSCOW (AP) -

Russia's foreign spy agency denied Saturday that Moscow gave Saddam Hussein information on U.S. troop movements and plans during the invasion of Iraq, while analysts speculated the Pentagon claim was tied to a growing rift between the West and the Kremlin.

A Pentagon report Friday cited two captured Iraqi documents as saying Russia obtained information from sources "inside the American Central Command" in Qatar and passed battlefield intelligence to Saddam through the former Russian ambassador in Baghdad, Vladimir Titorenko.

The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service dismissed the claims.

"Similar, baseless accusations concerning Russia's intelligence have been made more than once," agency spokesman Boris Labusov said. "We don't consider it necessary to comment on such fabrications."

Yevgenia Albats, a Moscow-based journalist who specializes in intelligence matters, said she suspected there was "at least a certain truth reflected in the Pentagon report," considering Russia's close relationship with the ousted Iraqi leader.

But she cautioned that didn't necessarily mean the Kremlin was involved.

"It is sometimes difficult to figure out whether certain steps were undertaken with the knowledge of top Russian authorities or whether those were steps undertaken by certain intelligence officers on their own," Albats told The Associated Press.

She also said the release of the Pentagon report probably had as much to do with the poor state of Russian-U.S. relations as their differences over the Iraq war, which along with other disputes have frayed a once promising partnership between Presidents Bush and Vladimir Putin that developed after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Albats noted the report appeared on the heels of Putin's trip last week to China, which added to U.S. unease over strengthening Moscow-Beijing ties. That development has caused Washington to recognize "it had lost whatever leverage it had over Russia," she said.

"It wasn't just another visit to China, it was a statement addressed to the United States," she added. "There is concern in Washington that China plus Russia, combined, will present a real problem for the United States."

A leading Russian Internet news agency, Gazeta.ru, speculated the Pentagon report was released to affect the U.N. Security Council debate on what to do about Iran's nuclear program as Russia and China are resisting U.S. and European demands for a tough stand.

"The leak about Russian spies in Doha can be interpreted as pressure on Moscow, which has taken a tough, principled position on the Iranian nuclear question," it said.

Sergei Oznobishchev, head of the Institute of Strategic Evaluations and Analyses, also tied the report to increasing U.S. distrust for Russia.

"They are irritated by Russia's strengthening position in the international arena and its foreign policy course," Oznobishchev was quoted as saying by the RIA Novosti news agency.

The Pentagon report wasn't the first to raise questions about Russian help for Saddam's regime at the time of the invasion in March 2003.

At the time, Gazeta.ru reported that two retired Russian generals visited Baghdad less than 10 days before the U.S.-led offensive and speculated they were advising the Iraqi military. The report showed photographs of them receiving medals from Iraqi Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed.

Nezavisimaya Gazeta, a newspaper believed at the time to have well-placed contacts in Russia's military and intelligence spheres, reported in March 2003 that Russian intelligence agents were holding daily meetings with Iraqi officials.

The U.S. administration accused Russian companies of shipping prohibited equipment, including anti-tank missiles, night-vision goggles and electronic jamming devices to Iraq, possibly via third countries. Moscow vehemently denied the allegations.

The unclassified Pentagon report did not assess the value or accuracy of the information Saddam got or offer details on Russia's information pipeline.

The Iraqi documents also left unclear who may have been the sources at Central Command's war-fighting headquarters, which is at Camp As Saliyah just outside Doha, the capital of Qatar. No Russians were authorized to be at the closely guarded base.

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On the Net: http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2006/pa032406.htm

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Caught!!!
1 posted on 03/25/2006 4:34:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From the Belmont Club Blog:

Friday, March 24, 2006
Criswell predicts ...

******************************AN EXCERPT*******************************

Update

The other striking thing in Document CMPC-2003-001950 was why the Russians should be particularly worried about the smallest component of the deployment:

4- The ambassador pointed that what worried us (most probably “us” refers to the Russians) was the increase in the number of planes in Jordan where the number of planes in Al Sallt base was as follows: 24 planes F-16 10 planes Tornado 11 planes Harrier He also mentioned that there were 10 A-10 tank destroyers in the Jordanian base of King Faysal.

Why were these relatively small forces so worrisome? My guess is their location near the Iraq-Syrian border and the composition of these air units were suggestive of support for an air assault attack on traffic to and from Syria.

What was moving between Iraq and Syria that would be of concern to the Russians?

2 posted on 03/25/2006 4:37:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: eyespysomething

fyi


3 posted on 03/25/2006 4:39:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You know if you can't trust the GRU, who can you trust?


4 posted on 03/25/2006 4:41:10 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Why were these relatively small forces so worrisome? My guess is their location near the Iraq-Syrian border and the composition of these air units were suggestive of support for an air assault attack on traffic to and from Syria."

"What was moving between Iraq and Syria that would be of concern to the Russians?"

How about those WMDs that went away, and the MSM and Rats for Saddam knew the WMD's were out of Iraq before the first stage of the war was over.


5 posted on 03/25/2006 4:42:22 PM PST by Grampa Dave (How long has the NY Slimes, Compost, and LA Slimes been Enroning (cooking) their books?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Russian Spy Agency Denies Pentagon Report

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Well, I guess that's settled then. Whew. For a minute there, I thought our Russian allies might have double crossed us. < / sarcasm >

6 posted on 03/25/2006 4:47:42 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
So are we to believe an agency known for its lying?

LOL!

7 posted on 03/25/2006 4:49:42 PM PST by demlosers
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
LOL....so nice to see the Russians on the defensive.

Hoping we used them for misinformation!

8 posted on 03/25/2006 4:54:32 PM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Russian spy agency

Spies don't lie.

9 posted on 03/25/2006 5:00:28 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A common find during the initial push to Baghdad were the Russian-style PVS-5 night vision goggles. Now, that is some old technology (to us) so it could have been sitting in storage for years. But we were finding the things in new condition, still in the hard cases. No way to tell, I guess, when it was obtained. Given the "Three Kings" atmosphere in the few months after the liberation of Baghdad, you might see those things pop up on eBay every now and then.


10 posted on 03/25/2006 5:05:15 PM PST by Axhandle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“Similar, baseless accusations concerning Russia’s intelligence have been made more than once,” agency spokesman Boris Labusov said. “We don’t consider it necessary to comment on such fabrications.”

Smoke and a shower of sparks from the polygraph.

11 posted on 03/25/2006 5:09:18 PM PST by dighton
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To: Grampa Dave; RusIvan; NormsRevenge; blam; Marine_Uncle; Proctor; Wristpin; LZ_Bayonet; ...
Somebody's got som explaining to do.....

Yesterday's thread:

Pentagon: Russia Gave Saddam U.S. Intel

12 posted on 03/25/2006 5:19:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: dighton

Sure looks that way.....


13 posted on 03/25/2006 5:20:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
There is an interesting 'Saddam and Company' discussion in the Leavenworth documents concerning International Oil Politics. Russia moves are all about controlling oil. France and Russia actually buy more oil then they need, and then sell the excess at cost on the market. They do this just to: increase volume; increase their share of the International Oil Pie; and therefore increase their importance in the world oil market. Russia also prefers to use imported oil and save its domestic reservoirs for strategic purposes. At least according to Saddam and Company.

If the French people were not rioting all the time, they might actually wonder why their government is selling excess oil at costs instead of increasing their supply and lowering their price ?

14 posted on 03/25/2006 5:36:01 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Somebody's got som explaining to do....."
Time for Helen to be undressed and placed in a room with any suspects. Surely the poor ba*tard will talk in a hurry.
15 posted on 03/25/2006 5:39:27 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: All
From Captain's Quarters Blog:

March 24, 2006
Russia, Unmasked

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Closing comments...........

And that brings us to Iran. After finding out that Putin has a habit of supplying tyrannical enemies of the Western nations with military intelligence to use against us, the last country we should trust with Iran's nuclear program is Russia. We can also kiss off the UN; as long as Russia has its veto, that route will lead nowhere. Russia has revealed itself to be a major part of the problem in the Middle East, and we should stop pretending that they are part of the solution.

At least now we know why the CIA and John Negroponte wanted these documents to remain sealed.

Posted by Captain Ed at March 24, 2006 09:53 PM

16 posted on 03/25/2006 5:42:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The more things change, the more they stay the same..


17 posted on 03/25/2006 5:51:31 PM PST by cardinal4 (David Gregory-the John Kerry of the Media Elite)
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To: Grampa Dave; Marine_Uncle; RusIvan; blam; Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; Gucho
Just damn,....the Ruskies are nailed:

Ex-Iraqi Official Unveiled as Spy
Former Envoy Worked With French, CIA

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By Walter PincusWashington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 23, 2006; Page A17

Deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's last foreign minister, Naji Sabri, was a paid spy for French intelligence, which later turned him over to the CIA to supply information about Iraq and its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs more than six months before the war began in March 2003, according to former senior intelligence officials.

Although some CIA officials met informally with Sabri, who traveled extensively outside Iraq, the French and the CIA used a third-country intermediary when attempting to get information from him about Hussein's inner circle and weapons programs, according to the retired officials who refused to be identified because the information is classified.

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This was the Iraqi receiving the Russian Reports....according to comments on the Captain's Quarter Blog.....


18 posted on 03/25/2006 5:51:52 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: dighton

See #18, we don't need the documents....


19 posted on 03/25/2006 5:53:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

By the way the Washington Post article says nothing about reciving the Russian info on our Invasion Plans.....not sure where he came up with that statement.

Guess it should be held in suspense for the moment!


20 posted on 03/25/2006 5:57:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...

ping


21 posted on 03/25/2006 6:06:40 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Well, since no sane person would believe them no matter what they say [even if they were to recount the multiplication table], the most dignified position for them would be to shut their orifices and avoid stinking up the place.


22 posted on 03/25/2006 6:13:36 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Watch the vermin squirm as the (finally) newly released documents are translated at warp speed by the blogosphere. It's especially touching how the Left strives to avoid their impending annihilation by editorializing these revelations. The time for their honoring (of) themselves will soon be at an end.


23 posted on 03/25/2006 6:28:54 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

They'd probably rather vote for battery cables attached to their 'nads.


24 posted on 03/25/2006 6:30:54 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No wonder McVain want's to shut down the Internet. The rulers can't afford to have WE The People actually aware of what is going on.


25 posted on 03/25/2006 6:33:19 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

""It is sometimes difficult to figure out whether certain steps were undertaken with the knowledge of top Russian authorities or whether those were steps undertaken by certain intelligence officers on their own," Albats told The Associated Press."

Hogwash. This statement is simply providing the Russian government with cover.


26 posted on 03/25/2006 6:41:52 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"inside the American Central Command"

I want THIS guy more than the Russians

and he's hardly the only leak we've got on our side.

Why do you REALLY think "W: had to go off the res to get unleaked intel?

27 posted on 03/25/2006 6:43:10 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Russia has revealed itself to be a major part of the problem in the Middle East, and we should stop pretending that they are part of the solution."

For those who couldn't see the obvious truth earlier.


28 posted on 03/25/2006 6:45:14 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: strategofr
Comments from the Security Watchpower Blog:

March 25, 2006
Iraqi Perspectives Project & the Saddam Fedayeen

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The reports of Russian cooperation with the regime in Baghdad and Iraq's intent to deploy suicide operatives in Europe come together in the days before the war in Iraq, when Russian President Vladamir Putin privately warned the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein was preparing suicide attacks against the United States and U.S. interests abroad.

Could it be that Russian intelligence had picked up on the Blessed July operation due to their close connections with the Hussein regime and the Iraqi intelligence services, and Putin felt compelled to offer a shadowy, non-specific warning to Bush in private?

Posted by C.S. Scott at March 25, 2006 03:51 AM

29 posted on 03/25/2006 6:53:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All
From the start of the Blog comments:

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Prior to reading the unclassified 210-page Iraqi Perspectives Project: A View of Operation Iraqi Freedom from Saddam's Senior Leadership, we commented earlier about the assistance the regime in Baghdad was recieving from the Russians, a charge that Moscow came out and denied on Saturday, calling it "groundless accusations."

Moscow based military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer described the reports of Russian assistance as "quite plausible" and added that "a unit affiliated with the Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Department, known by its abbreviation GRU, was actively working in Iraq at the time of the U.S. invasion of Iraq."

30 posted on 03/25/2006 6:57:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Just damn,....the Ruskies are nailed:"
Thanks for ping. Even the compost on occasions provides articles that somewhat support the reasons for going into Iraq. Of course this article is a bit bland in detail, but so be it.
Until books are produced that give full details in easy to read form many Americans will not be informed. It is just the nature of the beast.
31 posted on 03/25/2006 6:58:44 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
"They'd probably rather vote for battery cables attached to their 'nads."
And that is why I felt it essential the sea hag spy be bared and placed in a cell with them. heheh.
32 posted on 03/25/2006 7:01:53 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It is sometimes difficult to figure out whether certain steps were undertaken with the knowledge of top Russian authorities or whether those were steps undertaken by certain intelligence officers on their own

We used to call this plausible deniability. Standard practice.

34 posted on 03/25/2006 7:21:37 PM PST by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for all the links on the thread.


35 posted on 03/25/2006 7:38:02 PM PST by prairiebreeze
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And we are surprised by their reaction why? Of course they're going to deny it. But I'm sure everyone from Bush on down knows the Russians helped get them out. It's too bad he can't call Putin on it on national TV.

And any student of biblical prophesy knows the Russia along with present day Turkey, Iran, and even possibly Iraq as well will launch an attack on Israel so this doesn't surprise me. It's just another reason to look up and count down.

36 posted on 03/25/2006 7:40:21 PM PST by pctech
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Boris Labusov said. 'We don't consider it necessary to comment on such fabrications.'"

And yet...

37 posted on 03/25/2006 7:43:57 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'll say it: This is nothing less than an act of war. How many American soldiers did Russia think would be killed due to their actions? A thousand? More?
38 posted on 03/25/2006 7:59:51 PM PST by burzum (A single reprimand does more for a man of intelligence than a hundred lashes for a fool.--Prov 17:10)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Like Clinton, the only way the Russians can surprise us is to tell the truth. This denial comes as no surprise, therefore it is obviously a damn lie.


39 posted on 03/25/2006 8:57:36 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (President Bush isn't absolutely perfect,but he is absolutely less flawed than his critics .)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hey Ernest, you remember when one of the MSM stations did a story about missles and other things missing in Russia?
They actually showed corrugated steel buildings unguarded and the reporter was shown inside. I bet I can't find it. It was Nightline, 60 minutes or some hour long news show.


40 posted on 03/25/2006 10:47:26 PM PST by AliVeritas (“Pacifism is objectively pro-Islamo-Fascist.”)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I just assumed that Russia and France helped Iraq with intel. I think it would be a surprise if they didn't.

France is not our friend.

41 posted on 03/25/2006 10:58:11 PM PST by ottersnot (I refuse to bend over like a Democrat and bow to Mecca. No prayer rug for me.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Moscow based military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer described the reports of Russian assistance as "quite plausible" ==

I guess we need more solid proves then munblers of windbag Felgenhauer who just sucks up his reviews from his thumb.

It ther in inet the faxmiles of those "found" docs?


42 posted on 03/26/2006 1:21:46 AM PST by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

http://70.169.163.24/

Foreign Military Studies Office
Joint Reserve Intelligence Center
Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents


43 posted on 03/26/2006 2:07:21 AM PST by MEG33 ( GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In reference to Russia and Iraq documents, just found this nice little exchange buried in one document.

ISGQ-2003-M0004667

LIEUTENANT GENERAL ‘AMIR:
... We have succeeded in a few of the UN paragraphs, we have won Russia, ahhh … we have convinced Russia by way of generous accounts [payoffs] in which, you remember how and why it happened …

Would love to discover the details of those 'generous accounts', along with the how and the why.

44 posted on 03/26/2006 2:08:36 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

'Russian Spy Agency Denies Pentagon Report ~"



thats instincts, and years of training


45 posted on 03/26/2006 2:16:43 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"It is sometimes difficult to figure out whether certain steps were undertaken with the knowledge of top Russian authorities or whether those were steps undertaken by certain intelligence officers on their own," Albats told The Associated Press.

The Mafia uses cutouts in the same way.

46 posted on 03/26/2006 4:55:33 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Marine_Uncle; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BIGLOOK; george76
"Somebody's got some explaining to do....." Time for Helen to be undressed and placed in a room with any suspects. Surely the poor ba*tard will talk in a hurry.


47 posted on 03/26/2006 5:29:11 AM PST by Grampa Dave (How long has the NY Slimes, Compost, and LA Slimes been Enroning (cooking) their books?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Soon the Russia defenders on FR will be all over you for daring to point out these tidbits about our wonderful Russian allies.


48 posted on 03/26/2006 5:31:26 AM PST by Grampa Dave (How long has the NY Slimes, Compost, and LA Slimes been Enroning (cooking) their books?)
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To: Axhandle

Less explainable from a Russian point of view would be the GPS jammers that we targeted and destroyed in the very beginning.

Even the Russkies didn't know how easy their junk was to detect and destroy.


49 posted on 03/26/2006 7:58:46 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Good logic, sir. I'll remember it.


50 posted on 03/26/2006 8:04:43 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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