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(Roy) Moore says mad cow timing odd
The Birmingham News ^ | 3/25/06 | Kim Chandler

Posted on 03/25/2006 7:45:40 PM PST by Jonas Grumby

Moore says mad cow timing odd Saturday, March 25, 2006 KIM CHANDLER News staff writer

MONTGOMERY - Republican gubernatorial candidate Roy Moore said Friday it was a "strange coincidence" that mad cow disease was found in Alabama just as government officials want to start an animal-identification system.

Moore is opposed to a national tracking system that would give identification numbers to farm animals and to a bill pending in the Alabama Legislature that would authorize Alabama to start its own tracking system.

"It's a strange coincidence that we have a case of mad cow disease at the same time the Senate is debating this bill," Moore said. "I see this as an imposition on freedom and liberty.

"This is not to track disease. The precept is for tracking disease," he said, "but it will cause small farmers to be run out of business, small animal owners."

© 2006 The Birmingham News


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alabama; foodsupply; madcow; nais; nutcase; roymoore; tagging
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Roy Moore the idiot alert. This is the kind of crap that we can expect from that would be ayatollah. go Bob Riley.
1 posted on 03/25/2006 7:45:43 PM PST by Jonas Grumby
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To: Jonas Grumby

Well, I don't know about Roy Moore, but an animal ID system is a Soviet style imposition on small farmers.


2 posted on 03/25/2006 7:50:05 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Do you think that in these days of potentially catastrophic diseases (like Mad Cow) it is the responsibility of the government to monitor such, especially with the technology that is available?


3 posted on 03/25/2006 7:52:33 PM PST by Jonas Grumby
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To: Jonas Grumby

Charlie Sheen move over, eh?!


4 posted on 03/25/2006 7:56:27 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Jonas Grumby

Tracking of farm animals is a good idea.


5 posted on 03/25/2006 7:58:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Jonas Grumby

I loved him in the Dolemite movies, though.


6 posted on 03/25/2006 7:59:22 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Jonas Grumby
Roy Moore the idiot alert.

He's a paranoid.

I'm really surprised he didn't call animal ID "The Mark of the Beast." That's right up his alley.

7 posted on 03/25/2006 8:00:15 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Jonas Grumby
"It's a strange coincidence that we have a case of mad cow disease at the same time the Senate is debating this bill," Moore said. "I see this as an imposition on freedom and liberty.

Linking unrelated incidents to suggest the existence of a sinister conspiracy is the hallmark of the delusional paranoid.

8 posted on 03/25/2006 8:02:14 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: Cicero

You're right. Most people have no idea where their food comes from and don't care. This will hurt small famers and is really about government/corporate control and power over people. The timing of this is just too coincidental.


9 posted on 03/25/2006 8:06:03 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Clock King

Would you care if you had beef that was infected with mad cow disease? Would you suddenly have an interest in finding the source and isolated?


10 posted on 03/25/2006 8:07:59 PM PST by Jonas Grumby
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To: sinkspur

They can track cows after they track the illegal aliens.

Moore is correct in his assumption this is more about corporate agribusiness forcing family farms who do not have a full timer to tend to embedded RFID/GPS tags on their farm animals.

They are talking cows chickens hogs turkeys - all livestock.

Most small farmers do not have the overhead.


You want to track all the livestock in the USA; but lord help us, they cant track illegals or islamokazis.


11 posted on 03/25/2006 8:08:42 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Jonas Grumby

Most of the small producers would care. It would mean the end of their existence as farmers.

Farmers do not make money from sick animals.


12 posted on 03/25/2006 8:10:19 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

I bet a substantial outbreak of some livestock epidemic would destroy the small producers a whole lot faster than this plan would


13 posted on 03/25/2006 8:12:27 PM PST by Jonas Grumby
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To: axes_of_weezles

Do you really want to live in a country that would put electronic tracking devices, just like in livestock, in humans? I'd say that your analogy is not very accurate. Do you think we should have the same efficiency at tracking humans as we do cows, dogs, chickens and sheep?


14 posted on 03/25/2006 8:14:08 PM PST by Jonas Grumby
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To: Jonas Grumby

MOORE IS CORRECT!
The timing is COMPLETELY suspect.
Mad cow is bullshit!
150 people in ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY OF ALL PEOPLE CONSUMING BEEF have ever been thought of or tested as having mad cow.
It is actually more caused by abundance of magnesium in the food sources and ground supply.
The cow that died of mad cow in Alabama was born, weaned, and eating solid feeds long before 1997 when it became federally illegal to put animal waste products in feed sources.
Foot and Mouth Disease is also not a problem in this country and won't ever be.


15 posted on 03/25/2006 8:16:06 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: Jonas Grumby
Roy Moore the idiot alert. This is the kind of crap that we can expect from that would be ayatollah. go Bob Riley.

He is absolutely correct that the animal tracking system is designed to put the small producers out of business. What the hell kind of "free country" is this, if all our possessions need to be tracked by the government?
16 posted on 03/25/2006 8:16:44 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: cripplecreek
Tracking of farm animals is a good idea.

Nope nope not. Not the way the government is planning.
17 posted on 03/25/2006 8:18:01 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Jonas Grumby

The USDA is run by city-folk PETA types that have never been on a farm much less raised on one.
NAIS is completely a fascist program designed to take away breeders and animal owners rights of private property.

And this animal id thing will extend to ALL PET OWNERS INCLUDING GRANNIES PARAKEET she keeps in her senior living studio apartment.

You take your dog for a walk or let it ride in the car to the store, you have to let the feds know.
Don't believe me? Look it up!
NAIS is complete extortion and abolishment of 4th amendment rights.


18 posted on 03/25/2006 8:18:39 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

uh....okay.....I'll disregard all the scientific evidence.....and actual deaths from mad cow.


19 posted on 03/25/2006 8:20:08 PM PST by Jonas Grumby
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To: Jonas Grumby

It's another way the globalists are trying to offshore agriculture production to Mexico, Central and South America where there are no controls on pesticides, antibiotics, livestock feed.

These idiots are talking of creating a tracking system for all livestock. It's unnecessary.

If there is some substantial livestock epidemic does break out; there will be many more dead humans prior to the livestock having issues.

Of course when they get the livestock prototypes done, you can be the first in line to get yours.

This livestock tracking is asinine.

Track the illegal aliens that bring in human diseases - Incurable TB; HIV and all sorts of tropical crud. If they can track them; do the prototypes on them first.


Not to mention this is a whole new boondoggle for the USDA and the feds.




20 posted on 03/25/2006 8:20:49 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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http://www.breederville.com/auction/forumtopic.php?topic=18&boardid=1

Two veterinarians face charges for BSE test sample switch


Two slaughterhouse veterinarians in Pietarsaari are on trial for deliberately using the wrong samples for a BSE, or Mad Cow Disease, test. The charges are related to events at the Snellman slaughterhouse in this west coast city.

According to the indictment, the veterinarians, who worked as inspectors for the National Food Agency, had switched damaged samples from animals undergoing tests for ones that had been taken from younger animals and frozen.

It was feared that the National Veterinary and Food Research Institute of Finland (EELA) would have rejected the damaged samples. If this had happened, the carcass that the bad sample was taken from, and three others, might have been destroyed.

One of the two veterinarians admitted to having switched two damaged samples for ones that had been taken from other animals as part of training for laboratory assistants.

The practice samples were then stored in the slaughterhouse’s freezer, and some of them were used when more recent samples were not seen to be good enough.

Three witnesses were heard at the trial in Pietarsaari: an inspector veterinarian who had informed authorities about the sample-switching, a veterinary student, and the laboratory assistant who had taken samples. All three confirmed the practice of sample switching.

The laboratory assistant refused to switch samples, but went on sick leave. The inspector veterinarian reported the practice, and was sacked. The student felt that the practice was wrong, but obeyed the orders.

Finland’s only case of BSE was found on a cattle farm in Kärsämäki in December 2001. Since then all cattle over 30 months of age that are slaughtered for meat have been inspected for BSE.

Each year EELA checks 130,000 samples for signs of the feared disease.


21 posted on 03/25/2006 8:22:00 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Jonas Grumby

Just WHAT kind of outbreak?
We VACCINATE animals in our country!
Just like children get shots so do animals.
Animals are already tagged, certified, registered, etc.
They are talking about radio frequency tagging animals which each tag costs upwards of 20 bucks each and the readers are 300 and up.
When an eartag costs pennies, why would we need a 20 plus dollar RFID or GPS for a slaughter animal?
By the way, if you don't eat the spinal column or the brain, guess what, no problem, no sponge for a brain.


22 posted on 03/25/2006 8:22:00 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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23 posted on 03/25/2006 8:22:57 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: axes_of_weezles

Actually, used to, when horses went lame and their useful life was over, we could take them to a processing facility that would render them into many uses for our daily lives, not including food. Now we cant because thats seen as 'cruel'.


24 posted on 03/25/2006 8:24:26 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: axes_of_weezles

We also can't get a little law of 'Country of Origin Labeling' implemented either. The big boys have it tied up in court so that you don't know you are getting beef or lamb from another country!! To hard to slap on the labels, they say!! Yeah!! Suuuuuuure!!


25 posted on 03/25/2006 8:24:30 PM PST by curlewbird
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

MMMMM Paste ! :0


26 posted on 03/25/2006 8:29:22 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: sinkspur

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603215/posts


27 posted on 03/25/2006 8:32:30 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: curlewbird

But yet every single freakin apple, orange, banana, etc has that label that is IMPOSSible to get off!

Compared to the billions of pounds of beef, chicken etc that people have consumed, yet people fall for the hype of bird flu and mad cow.

Guess what folks, COOK IT COMPLETELY!!!!!! Duh!

And to think they also want to label EACH AND EVERY EGG AS WELL! You jest never know what mufasah might be able to inject! Grrrrr.


28 posted on 03/25/2006 8:32:57 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
By the way, if you don't eat the spinal column or the brain, guess what, no problem, no sponge for a brain.

Just a small oversight - like the snafus in the Klintoon administration.

29 posted on 03/25/2006 8:41:21 PM PST by Digger
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
Barcoded like these eggs?

http://www.shimadaegg.co.jp/


30 posted on 03/25/2006 8:41:23 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
Compared to the billions of pounds of beef, chicken etc that people have consumed, yet people fall for the hype of bird flu and mad cow

They have seen how they have the sheeple indoctrinated into this corrupt "Two-Party Cartel" vote scam so why not extend it into other arenas.

31 posted on 03/25/2006 8:44:26 PM PST by Digger
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
When did BSE become a virus? I understood it to be a destructive form of protein called a prion that cannot be destroyed, even if burned or buried in earth for many years. Also, BSE can reside undetected for many years in the body before symptoms develop and only then diagnosed after autopsy (sponge like holes in throughout the brain).

Am I mistaken?

32 posted on 03/25/2006 8:44:53 PM PST by Musketeer
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To: Musketeer

I think you misread post 22. She didn't say BSE was a virus.


33 posted on 03/25/2006 8:49:53 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: sinkspur
"I'm really surprised he didn't call animal ID "The Mark of the Beast." That's right up his alley."

Hey! Can't buy or sell [a cow] without the mark, right? You'll have to admit that's pretty close.

34 posted on 03/25/2006 8:54:53 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Clock King

First, when you have mad cow identified...you have two choices...only kill the cattle in direct family path...which might only number ten to fifteen at best...or go kill the farm's 500 cattle...and if you know this cow came from one of five farms...then all of the five farm's cattle. Which would rather do?

Second, the cost of the chip...is around $15 at the most. You can run an entire herd of 500 through the stall and install this in one day if you have a border collie and three people. You don't require the chip reading device itself. You are only buying the chips from a recognized dealer like the local Co-Op...which has preset chips.

Third, if you study the main method of getting mad cow...as was demonstrated in the UK...it was people who were after the bulky cattle and the extra $75 in weight on the cow when they sold it...so they had a special feed. The special feed always includes grounded up bone materal from other cattle...which does a good job of bulking the cow. The Brits stopped that "trick" and if you get caught...its actually jail time now. In this Alabama case, and other cases seen in North America...they haven't yet proven that some farmers were doing this...but most people believe that a special feed did the job.

Fourth...wouldn't you like to stamp out these mad cow episodes quickly? If you find the cow at the slaughter house with no chip method...you can't do nothing about it. You can't track down the herd or the line. Wouldn't you like a pure beef situation...with no issues? And the cost? Just give the guy another tax credit for each chip he buys...its that simple. 400 head of cattle...$6000 to do the job, and probably another $1000 per year for additional cattle.

To do nothing...means you get to a point where the "cheaters" bulk up cattle all over the country...and you reach a point like the Brits....you destroy vast herds of cattle. The beef industry in Britian was almost destroyed by the entire mad cow episode. Do you really want to go that far?


35 posted on 03/25/2006 8:58:50 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Calpernia
I have read and heard the MSM misleading the public that BSE is a virus. BSE cannot be destroyed by thoroughly cooking the meat. I just think the true identity and nature of BSE should be reported.
36 posted on 03/25/2006 9:02:22 PM PST by Musketeer
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To: Jonas Grumby
From what I've heard (take everything with a tablespoon of salt), the "program" isn't doing that job, at least not the way you think it could be. The database is years behind and inspection of beef and cattle is way behind. There is a sizeable percentage of cattle (for conversion to beef) that comes from outside the US. Are they demanding that our foreign suppiers tag and database their animals, too? I haven't heard of any rules being put in place for that yet. So what does this program really give us? The devil's in the details.

This battle really seems to be between the cattle farmers (those who raise and breed cattle) and the beef producers (those who turn the cattle into meat). Both groups are pressuring the government to use its power to get their way.

37 posted on 03/25/2006 9:03:30 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

You know, I got really annoyed at a local sheep prod. meeting I attended a few months ago. There was a rep. there from an animal health co. and he was really excited because they (FDA) had approved a new sheep wormer for use in America. First one in 9,yes, NINE years! Then he went on to say that in Australia they have ALL KINDS of meds available to them to use, that we can't, yet they import that very same lamb into our country! Go figure!!


38 posted on 03/25/2006 9:04:26 PM PST by curlewbird
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To: pepsionice

Partial list of the animal codings:

Clams = CLM, crawfish = CRA, catfish = CTF, mussels = MSL, oysters = OYS, salmon = SAL, striped bass = SBA, shrimp = SHR, scallops = SLP, tilapia = TIL, trout = TRO, bovine (bison and cattle) = BOV, camelid (alpaca and llama) = CAM, caprine (goats) = CAP, deer = DEE, elk = ELK, equine (horses1) = EQU, ovine (sheep) = OVI, porcine (swine) = POR, chickens = CHI, ducks = DUC, geese = GEE, guineas = GUI, pigeon = PGN, pheasants = PHE, quail = QUA, turkeys = TUR. (Table 10, page 15 of the program standard. And then there is a much larger breakdown of breeds within categories in the technical standards supplement on pages 14-17: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/about/pdf/NAIS_Technical_Supplement_072605.pdf .)


39 posted on 03/25/2006 9:05:44 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Musketeer

What the MSM says and post 22 says are two different things.


40 posted on 03/25/2006 9:06:52 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Clock King

>>>Are they demanding that our foreign suppiers tag and database their animals, too?

Yes they are. Matter of fact, this NAIS thing came about from this:

http://nationalpropertyowners.org/nais.html

FAQ on NAIS



Ø Animal Identification originated as a result of the United States making trade agreements with the European Union and WTO

Office of Journal of the European Communities 24.4.8

Council Decision of 16 March 1998: http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/1998/l_118/l_11819980421en00030063.pdf

Annex Agreement- Commission Decision of 28 November 2003: http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2003/l_316/l_31620031129en00200023.pdf

Ø All pets must be electronically identified according to our EU/WTO

http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/animal/identification/pets/index_en.htm

Ø The government can hold, seize, quarantine, treat, destroy, dispose of, and take other “remedial action” with respect to animals

US Code Title 7 Chapter 109, 8306.a.1.B,

(more at link: http://nationalpropertyowners.org/nais.html )


41 posted on 03/25/2006 9:10:15 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: curlewbird

Ditto your 'go figure'!
As a goat producer, I try to stay away from Cydectin as its top dog on the market now and there doesn't seem to be anything coming down the pike!
USDA could supply grant money for research into why parasites in goats become so resistant so quickly instead of fascist tagging!
Moore Rox!


42 posted on 03/25/2006 9:11:39 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: Jonas Grumby
Look up a copy of the Constitution and then point out to me Article and Section that gives the Federal Government the authority to monitor privately owned livestock.

Thanks in advance.

L

43 posted on 03/25/2006 9:13:31 PM PST by Lurker (I trust in God. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

As a matter of fact, that was the very thing they were there discussing, and they asked that it not be used on goats for that very reason! Too resistant too quick!!


44 posted on 03/25/2006 9:13:35 PM PST by curlewbird
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To: pepsionice

In this Alabama case...

The cow was an older cow, born before 1997 which is when animal-waste product became illegal in the US to be put into livestock feed. ALSO, the cow died at least 2 years ago and the vet just NOW made the test results known in the media.

You can't track down the herd or the line...

Not necessarily true. Many of the cattle are registered and all cattle, hogs, etc, are tagged before they get to the stockyards. The livestock are easily traced back to owners, producers and suppliers. Even if something like pinkeye or ringworm were to breakout, everyone that was at the barn is notified to watch their stock and any others they have been in contact with.

beef industry in Britian was almost destroyed...

which did not have to happen the way that it did. Local magistrates became downright thuggish in snatching away the poor peasants livlihoods. Remember, UK is a monarchy with a socialist economy.


45 posted on 03/25/2006 9:20:01 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: Calpernia

You forgot to post the Rabbits are included with Poultry!


46 posted on 03/25/2006 9:21:35 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: curlewbird

Well, crap, I was hoping you would tell me something different!:)


47 posted on 03/25/2006 9:23:20 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
>>>You forgot to post the Rabbits are included with Poultry!

Sorry, BUT I can understand that error!


48 posted on 03/25/2006 9:27:28 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: muawiyah
Charlie Sheen move over, eh?!

I was going to say exactly the same thing!!

49 posted on 03/25/2006 9:29:49 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Jonas Grumby
"Roy Moore the idiot alert. This is the kind of crap that we can expect from that would be ayatollah. go Bob Riley."

Riley is over in Iraq with McCain and Feingold. No telling how 'polluted' he'll be when he gets back. I'll vote for Riley though.

50 posted on 03/25/2006 9:30:43 PM PST by blam
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