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Mbeki To Broker Mugabe Safe-Exit Plan
Zim Daily ^ | 26 March 2006 | Unknown

Posted on 03/26/2006 6:04:03 AM PST by vikingd00d

President Mugabe, under heavy local and international pressure to step down, has called for a constitutional amendment that will allow an interim President to be appointed by his Zanu PF party and pave the way for fresh elections for a new government. Official sources said this was the message that had been communicated to President Thabo Mbeki of South Africa, who is seen as a key player in delicate manoeuvres towards a transition from a dictatorship to democratic rule in Zimbabwe.

It is understood that Mugabe wants his hand picked successor Joice Mujuru, to be the interim President, although this could not be confirmed. Mbeki, who recently met UN secretary general Kofi Annan over the issue, is scheduled to lead a three-member, high-powered team to Harare within the next two months to iron out Mugabe's proposed exit plan, according to the sources. Zimdaily heard that Annan told Mbeki to keep the momentum going following Mugabe's positive signals in a birthday interview on ZTV last month.

In the interview, Mugabe hinted that he was considering stepping down as land redistribution that he had so much wanted to see implemented had been addressed. Mbeki is expected to work out a safe exit plan for Mugabe that will make him immune from prosecution for human rights abuses committed during his 26-year rule. Mugabe is particularly worried about the Matabeleland and Midlands massacres of the mid-1980s after he unleashed the Korean-trained 5 Brigade, led by the now Air Force of Zimbabwe boss, Perence Shiri, on the people of those provinces in suppressing an armed dissident uprising.

Thousands of innocent civilians died in what is now referred to as the Gukurahundi atrocities. Mugabe has not apologised officially to the people of Matabeleland and Midlands for the atrocities, although he expressed regret for "the madness" at Vice-President Joshua Nkomo's burial in 1999. Official sources told Zimdaily that Mugabe is concerned about "the future of his family and property, his party's simmering succession problems, a possible power vacuum after his departure and subsequent infighting within Zanu PF".

The MDC leader, Morgan Tsvangirai, a key player in any power transition, is on record as saying that Mugabe's security after he steps down will only be guaranteed in the context of a negotiated settlement of the current Zimbabwe crisis. Mugabe has stated that he is prepared to talk to the opposition leader if he drops his election results court challenge and recognises him as the legitimate President of Zimbabwe. Tsvangirai has flatly refused to agree to those conditions. Mugabe won the presidential election in 2002 in controversial circumstances. The poll was condemned internationally as being fraught with irregularities and glaring rigging.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; mbeki; mugabe; southafrica; un; zimbabwe
This really pisses me off.. The man robs his country blind and massacres thousands, and the world bends over backwards to let him keep his ill-gotten gains and gets immunity from prosecution. If anyone ever deserved the Musselini treatment (besides Musselini), it would be Mugabe.
1 posted on 03/26/2006 6:04:05 AM PST by vikingd00d
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To: Clive

Very interesting Ping


2 posted on 03/26/2006 6:06:33 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: vikingd00d

Mugabe can enter the U.S. via the Mexican U.S. border with the other illegals and get his drivers license.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 6:07:27 AM PST by Frank_N_Sense (Whose DNA stain is on Hillary's blue dress?)
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To: vikingd00d

I understand your point, but will you be equally pissed when the new guy does the same thing?..with the blessing of Cafe Annan?


4 posted on 03/26/2006 6:08:28 AM PST by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: gr8eman

Of course.. repeat the cycle as necessary until the bastages realize that actions have consequences.


6 posted on 03/26/2006 6:14:52 AM PST by vikingd00d
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To: vikingd00d

Mugabe is an African leader. He therefore gets a pass on HIS genocide and robbery. We treat them with kid gloves....not like we treat Arabs and Europeans. THEY have to take the conequences for THEIR actions (Milosevic, Hussein, etc.) but NOT African leaders.


7 posted on 03/26/2006 6:20:27 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: vikingd00d
Doesn't it piss everybody off? He destroys the country and is then allowed to walk away.

If it weren't already too late and the damage absolutely unimaginable, a fitting end would be to restore Cecil Rhodes name to the country and install a democratically elected government. But it is, in fact, too late. I cannot imagine how this can ever be made right in the next two centuries. The people who were able to make the country work by employing and feeding the people have had their property stolen and their means of income along with it. It's absolutely disgusting.

8 posted on 03/26/2006 6:20:35 AM PST by davisfh
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To: vikingd00d

Hmmm, wondering if there have been a few accidents around El Presidente.


9 posted on 03/26/2006 6:24:13 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget; blam; Cincinatus' Wife; sarcasm; happygrl; Byron_the_Aussie; ...

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose


10 posted on 03/26/2006 6:48:46 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive
Bloody Bob Bails, eh?

Things must be going from very bad, to worse shortly.

11 posted on 03/26/2006 6:54:11 AM PST by backhoe ("Pity About Africa...")
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To: backhoe; Clive; TEXASPROUD; Selous

Safe exit to the graveyard


12 posted on 03/26/2006 7:05:43 AM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: Frank_N_Sense

"Mugabe can enter the U.S. via the Mexican U.S. border with the other illegals and get his drivers license."

Then he can drive a cab in NYC. At least that would be an honest living.


13 posted on 03/26/2006 7:30:19 AM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: davisfh
Image hosted by Photobucket.com now, now... the WORLD COURT will take care of Him i'm sure.

or not.

14 posted on 03/26/2006 7:43:18 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: vikingd00d

Mugabe, Hero of the Worldwide Left, stepping down?

They will be very upset to learn this.


15 posted on 03/26/2006 7:44:50 AM PST by Sometimes A River (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: gr8eman

Fanatic Liberals are working night and day to get the US to put Africa at the top of the to-do list. Top priority for the US to fix all of Africa and pay for it, too. Boots on the ground, if necessary. C-Span ran a video of a recent African interest/seminar...can't remember the name of the group. About twelve people in the audience. The panel was drooling at the thought of all the money/top paying jobs that would open up...for them. (African experts.)


16 posted on 03/26/2006 7:49:21 AM PST by hershey
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To: hershey

We can do nothing for Africa.

The only way for Africa to do something for herself is to implement a system of free markets (Capitalism) and rule of law.

Until that happens, every penny spent there is down a rat-hole.


17 posted on 03/26/2006 7:51:58 AM PST by Sometimes A River (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: vikingd00d

How nice, Mugabe wants to be the puppeteer.


18 posted on 03/26/2006 7:53:18 AM PST by Frenetic
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To: starfish923

"THEY have to take the conequences for THEIR actions (Milosevic, Hussein, etc.) but NOT African leaders."

- Common, don't you know that blacks are mentally inferior to whites and therefore cannot be held accountable for their actions? </sarc>

No accountability of leadership and massive foreign aid in the forms of food & medicine in Africa is the biggest soft bigotry experiment on earth. Second biggest is the welfare program and the war on poverty here in America...and you all know how successful that was/is. </sarc>


19 posted on 03/26/2006 8:02:57 AM PST by Frenetic
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To: Frenetic
- Common, don't you know that blacks are mentally inferior to whites and therefore cannot be held accountable for their actions? < / sarc>
No accountability of leadership and massive foreign aid in the forms of food & medicine in Africa is the biggest soft bigotry experiment on earth. Second biggest is the welfare program and the war on poverty here in America...and you all know how successful that was/is. < / sarc>

THANK YOU!

20 posted on 03/26/2006 8:54:38 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: vikingd00d
I know somebody who has decided to stick it out by living in Zimbabwe and she is white.

I would rather see Mugabe leave and have a chance for reform and healing rather than more bloodshed. His goons need to be taken from power as well.

If one were to look at what is wrong with Iraq today, it is people looking to settle scores - Sunnis killing Shiites, Arab foreigners killing other Iraqis. The killing in Iraq is truly a stupid mentality.

If he doesn't leave, people will starve to death.

This evil person used food as a weapon to starve people to death.

I understand where you are coming from, but there is a story I heard that came through the Vatican (it is unclear if this actually happened).

Supposedly, someone appeared to a mystic (the person appearing was someone from heaven.

The person appearing from heaven said that Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Benito Mussolini were given the chance for heaven. According to the person from heaven, Mussolini accepted the offer and both Hitler and Stalin rejected it.

These three people were also shown what they would have to suffer first before being allowed into heaven.

The point of the story is God's infinite mercy (which I can learn from). But the other interesting point was that on the death of Mussolini, his body was descrated in very horrible ways by the people who murdered him - perhaps part of his punishment.

And though many may not believe there is not a heaven, it would put great fear in anybody who has seen hell. In 1917, there is a story that three children were first given the promise of heaven and then shown hell.

Even though they knew that they would not go to hell, it was such a terrible sight that they did not want to happen to anybody.

I know that my friend in Zimbabwe would want the same - to try to save as many souls as possible.

The torment after death may be greater than you can imagine... At least that is my personal belief.

For that reason, I never seek justice on this earth, but hope in God and trust in God...

But that is my own personal opinion...

I hope you are not offende by my comments. But having heard and read stories of what is going on in Zimbabwe, I just want it to end without any scores being settled...

21 posted on 03/26/2006 6:19:24 PM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher

The problem I have with your point of view is that is denies all 'earthly' justice. Would you let child molesters roam free and unpunished just because you figure God will deal with them eventually? There needs to be a reckoning, not just for the sake of Zimbabwe, but for the sake of all the other countries where murderous dictators are thinking of doing the same thing. Making them think twice about their actions will save a lot of lives.

If there is a God, I'm sure he's a patient sort. He can have Mugabe after we here on earth are done with him.


22 posted on 03/26/2006 7:35:49 PM PST by vikingd00d
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To: topher

One of the divine purposes of Man is to send back to God post haste the worst of our planet.

Allowing the worst to delay their divine Justice is a sin.

23 posted on 03/26/2006 7:45:29 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: vikingd00d
Of course Mugabe's fellow communist Mbeki will save and protect him!

Outrage as Mbeki hints at S African land grab - Mr Mbeki said he could learn from Mr Mugabe's methods and philosophy. "Our countries have shared common problems," Mr Mbeki said. "As they shared the common problems of oppression, they share common problems today. "President Mugabe can assist us to confront the problems we have in South Africa so that we can assist you to solve the problems that face Zimbabwe."

Mbeki warns white farmers to commit to land reform - Thabo Mbeki said yesterday the seizure of land would not be necessary if white commercial farmers remained committed to land reform and redistribution.

Africa Should Feel Uneasy Over Iraqi War: Mbeki - "The prospect facing the people of Iraq should serve as sufficient warning that in future we too might have others descend on us, guns in hand to force-feed us ...If the UN does not matter... why should we, the little countries of Africa that make up the African Union (AU), think that we matter and will not be punished if we get out of line?"

24 posted on 03/26/2006 8:02:37 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Southack
My point is that as long as Mugabe is in power, people will die.

If you can kill him in office, fine. But if someone can get him out of power to stop people from starving to death, then I am for that.

Get him to step down from power, go to another country, and then start activism for war crimes against him...

Once he is out of power, then other things can happen...

25 posted on 03/27/2006 8:42:15 AM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: vikingd00d
Maybe I did come across as too much forgive and forget.

And maybe my post was too much of a holier than thou type post... Sorry...

But obviously, it would be wrong to allow child molesters to run free and prey on children. By the same token, I don't want people to continue to starve in Zimbabwe because there is trouble getting Mugabe out of power - whether it be by a brokered deal or physical force.

Once Mugabe is out of power, it will be easier to bring him to justice by bringing War Crimes against him.

Saddam Hussein is facing that now, in a painfully slow process (too slow for those who want him to be brought to justice for his crimes as well as a slow process for him as well...)

The Allies in World War II were guilty of the Broad Front Strategy. One of the reasons for this was that Adolf Hitler after the failure of the Market Garden operation threatened to kill hundreds of thousands of people in other countries that the Nazis still occuppied. The ending chapter of the book A Bridge Too Far is devoted to discussing this.

The Allies should have brought Hitler down as soon as they could - but Hitler used blackmail that he would kill civilians under his control to hold the Allies back (English and American forces).

I honestly would like to see US Delta forces in tandem with British SAS and other special forces go in and exterminate Mugabe. But if that is not going to happen, what of the people that are starving to death.

My point is more about protecting the innocent people than focusing FIRST on bringing Mugabe to justice.

Unfortunately, the US and Britian has shown very little interest in taking out Mugabe...

26 posted on 03/27/2006 8:54:20 AM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; MadIvan
Wednesday, 7 March, 2001, 10:40 GMT
Mugabe: 'Excellent meeting' in Paris
Robert Mugabe and Jacques Chirac
Chirac received Mugabe despite international criticism
Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe has described his meeting with French President Jacques Chirac as "excellent".

The two men met at the Elysee palace in Paris, in talks which attracted widespread international criticism following Mr Mugabe's controversial land reform programme.



Robert Mugabe and Jacques Chirac


27 posted on 03/27/2006 11:52:01 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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