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Brighter sun adds to fears of climate change
The Sunday Times (UK) ^ | March 26, 2006 | Unsigned

Posted on 03/26/2006 8:29:27 AM PST by aculeus

A series of independent studies around the world show a significant rise in the amount of sunshine penetrating the atmosphere to be absorbed by the earth’s surface and turned into heat.

The research will concern climate researchers who are already predicting a rapid rise in global temperatures due to man-made emissions of so-called greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide.

“The enhanced warming we have seen since the 1990s along with phenomena such as the widespread melting of glaciers could well be due to this increased intensity of sunlight compounding the effect of greenhouse gases,” said Professor Martin Wild of the Institute of Atmospheric and Climate Science in Zurich, Switzerland.

Researchers will present their findings to the European Geophysical Union conference in Vienna next week.

They reverse a 30-year trend. Measurements of sunshine levels between 1960 and 1990 had shown a decrease in the amount of sunshine reaching the earth.

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1 posted on 03/26/2006 8:29:30 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

The sun always appears brighter to me after a GOP victory. Looks like this too is Bush's fault.


2 posted on 03/26/2006 8:31:15 AM PST by inkling
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To: aculeus
The research will concern climate researchers who are already predicting a rapid rise in global temperatures due to man-made emissions of so-called greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide.

I guess it doesn't occur to them that the increased solar activity could be the source of the warming, instead of the increase in CO2 due to human activity.

Nah, that would go against current scientific dogma. And it's a lot harder to get grants to study a natural phenomenon that can't be countered.

3 posted on 03/26/2006 8:31:15 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: aculeus

They had better be careful. They might find out global warming is caused by the sun.


4 posted on 03/26/2006 8:31:34 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: aculeus

If this is true, which I have a problem with, it will all be laid at the feet of George Bush .... nevermind China and India.


5 posted on 03/26/2006 8:31:39 AM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: aculeus

"Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun, and I'll do the next best thing: block it out!"--C. Montgomery Burns


6 posted on 03/26/2006 8:32:50 AM PST by Loyalist (Dissonance And Disrespect: http://dissonanceanddisrespect.blogspot.com)
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To: dirtboy
Yes! And aren't increased CO2 levels that cause the greenhouse effect supposed to increase cloudiness that traps the heat? I'm getting confused, there should be less sunshine instead of more!
7 posted on 03/26/2006 8:34:28 AM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: aculeus

Weird, that orb which warms our planet has an effect on the temperature of this planet... Imagine that!


8 posted on 03/26/2006 8:35:00 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: aculeus

Don't forget that it was our fault all those iceages started and ended (you know, the ones where there were gigantic, billion-ton sheets of ice sliding around on the continents, carving valleys and whatnot, that melted somehow...).


9 posted on 03/26/2006 8:36:19 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: aculeus
People are supposed to take crap like this serious? 

These idiots can't even square the title with the first sentence:  there's a difference between the sun actually getting brighter, and more sunlight reaching the earth.

10 posted on 03/26/2006 8:36:19 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: inkling

The sun always appears brighter to me after a GOP victory. Looks like this too is Bush's fault.


Me too. You know I NEVER worry about the sun being brighter. I mean who in the world is worried about this. I can't even imagine anyone I hang out with worrying about this. I could just imagine my friends sitting around drinking beer and one of us would say "you know guys, I am really fearful of the brighter sun." Can you imagine? First of all we would probably spit out our beer, second we would think he would need a urinalysis and then third obviously he would need more alcoholic beverages to get himself back to normal again. This has to be the craziest story to date on FREEPERS.


11 posted on 03/26/2006 8:36:39 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Dog Gone
--that just might explain the shrinkage of the polar ice caps on Mars, also-
12 posted on 03/26/2006 8:37:32 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: dirtboy

"I guess it doesn't occur to them that the increased solar activity could be the source of the warming, instead of the increase in CO2 due to human activity."

It also doesn't occur to them that, based upon other, scientific research, New York City (for example) was under a two-mile thick sheet of ice 12,000 years ago.

Now, if that isn't proof enough that global warming is a natural phenomenon independant of human activity, then nothing is. We're not dealing with just science, we're dealing with a science-as-religion, on this issue. Logic and "science" have nothing to do with it; it's all about controlling behavior.


13 posted on 03/26/2006 8:37:35 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: aculeus

Solar output links:

http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/space/solterr/output.html

http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/09/sunwarm.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html


14 posted on 03/26/2006 8:38:00 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: inkling
Brighter sun adds to fears of climate change

Has the world gone all nuts? Climate change is now a cause of "fear"?

The only constant that can be said of climate is its constant and extreme variability. Hundreds of millions of years of it, now.

Me? I will fear and cower in the dark over sunrise and sunset. Traumatic, they are!

And then there's the biggie... Meteor strikes! Does everyone appreciate the number and size of meteor strikes throughout the world (that we know about)? Hundreds!

Some of those impact craters are a hundred miles across!

Oh my God! Horrors!
Woe is me!

BRB. I need more coffee...

15 posted on 03/26/2006 8:38:13 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Dog Gone
We could always atomize a sun blocker with SPF200 and disperse it in the upper atmosphere, no?

}:^P
16 posted on 03/26/2006 8:38:56 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Wombat101
It's Dogma to them, don't question it, just believe!
17 posted on 03/26/2006 8:39:08 AM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: aculeus
They reverse a 30-year trend. Measurements of sunshine levels between 1960 and 1990 had shown a decrease in the amount of sunshine reaching the earth.

When the solar storm activity decreases again the amount of sunshine reaching the earth.

18 posted on 03/26/2006 8:39:11 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: aculeus
The sun is getting dimmer...no wait, it's getting brighter! The earth is getting cooler...no wait, it's getting hotter! The world is getting overpopulated...no wait, not enough people are being born and we will soon be a civilization of nothing but old people! Oh no! The earth is running out of food and everybody is going to starve to death...no wait, people are getting too much food and now everybody's too fat!

The world is running out of oil but I can't get to work on time unless I leave an hour early on account of all the traffic jams. All the jobs in America have gone overseas but everybody has a HELP WANTED and you can't get decent service because everybody is understaffed. The housing bubble has popped but I still can't find a house under $300,000. We are in a drought but the sump pump in my basement is still working overtime pumping out all that rainwater. We are in the worst economy ever but I still can't find a parking space at a shopping mall because everybody's out shopping and I still can't find a table in a restaurant on a Friday night without having to wait two hours.

We're doomed I tell you, doomed!

19 posted on 03/26/2006 8:39:37 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Need a tree census in Maine)
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To: Tony O

Pretty much.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 8:39:59 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Tony O

Remember when the same bunch was screaming about the coming "New Ice Age" back in the 70's?


21 posted on 03/26/2006 8:41:31 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Wombat101
I remember in the '70's they were predicting an Ice Age.
22 posted on 03/26/2006 8:41:43 AM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: Dog Gone
They had better be careful. They might find out global warming is caused by the sun.

Nah, they skillfully redirected that argument by making it cause for alarm that human-caused global warming could be made DRASTICALLY

WORSE!!!!!!

by any natural warming. No need to critically re-evaluate existing preconceptions that way.
23 posted on 03/26/2006 8:42:15 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: Wombat101

Beat me to it!


24 posted on 03/26/2006 8:42:23 AM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
there's a difference between the sun actually getting brighter, and more sunlight reaching the earth

Do you have a link? :-))

25 posted on 03/26/2006 8:42:30 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Publius6961

I need to make a new folder for archiving this kind of story; I can't decide if it should be labeled "Fearmongering", "Grantmongering" or "Neuroses"...


26 posted on 03/26/2006 8:43:03 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I caught that too.


27 posted on 03/26/2006 8:43:55 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: aculeus
IF the tree huggers are right, and man made pollution is melting the glaciers, Then the source of most of the pollution will soon be under water. That would be most of the major cities along both coasts. The "Blue" states would turn "Red".
28 posted on 03/26/2006 8:44:16 AM PST by Fielding (Sans Dieu Rien)
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To: aculeus

and the environazis can't do shiiiite about it!!
Unless they pile into their Prius rocket ships and go to the Sun to fix it, hhhhhhehehehe....


29 posted on 03/26/2006 8:46:37 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (ffffFReeeePeee!)
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To: rellimpank

Good point.


30 posted on 03/26/2006 8:46:37 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Tony O
I remember in the '70's they were predicting an Ice Age.

Yep. And, at my age, I really don't care if it gets hot or cold. Because I won't be here when it happens. But I sure like reading and hearing about all the hysteria while I'm still around!

31 posted on 03/26/2006 8:48:25 AM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: aculeus

This explains the recommendation of Dr. Edward Teller (director emeritus, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory), "The Planet Needs a Sunscreen," Wall Street Journal, October 17, 1997.

http://www.ncpa.org/pi/enviro/envpd/pdenv125.html


32 posted on 03/26/2006 8:50:04 AM PST by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
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To: ExtremeUnction
You're right, you'd think this was going to happen next week.

I've read that the models they use to predict these future catastrophies can't produce the known outcome of past global patterns when applied, even when they know the actual historic outcome!
33 posted on 03/26/2006 8:56:46 AM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: aculeus
“The enhanced warming we have seen since the 1990s along with phenomena such as the widespread melting of glaciers could well be due to this increased intensity of sunlight compounding the effect of greenhouse gases,” said Professor Martin Wild of the Institute of Atmospheric and Climate Science in Zurich, Switzerland.

alternatively, the brightness factor might be sufficient in itself, entirely negating the (already dubious) validity of the greenhouse gas model.

34 posted on 03/26/2006 9:06:49 AM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: PistolPaknMama
Do you have a link?

Do a search on solar output. It varies plus or minus 0.05%, not the 6% differences they are seeing. Also, if the sunshine reaching some parts of the earth is increasing but it is decreasing over China, it would be hard to blame that on the sun's output. It would have to say, "Oh, it's daytime in China. It's time to get dimmer."

35 posted on 03/26/2006 9:11:30 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Tony O
However, I did find one story that claimed the results were "admirable." What a load of hooey. They weren't honest enough to say they missed, not even that they were close.

How would you like a mortgage rate that was admirable? Not me. I'm sticking to my believe that any fluctuation in global temperature is normal and has very little, if any, to do with humans.

BTW - One of the science channels this weekend seems to claim that we will be in an ice age within about 20 years due to the stopping of the Gulf Stream. I wonder if this was the same bunch that predicted the ice age in the 1970's.

Doomed! We are all Doom!

36 posted on 03/26/2006 9:13:14 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: SamAdams76
We're doomed I tell you, doomed!

Absolutely bears repeating.

It is a well established scientific fact that lightbulbs flare several times greater than normal just before they blow

The world will soon turn into a flying piece of ice. Just like Pluto. (and Daffy, of course).

Repent today.

Vote Democrat tomorrow.

Thank you.

37 posted on 03/26/2006 9:21:38 AM PST by harrowup (President Bush has the deal and he is calling Feingold et. al. to ante up or shut up)
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To: Leo Carpathian

"Unless they pile into their Prius rocket ships and go to the Sun to fix it, hhhhhhehehehe...."

I heard they had planned to go at night.


38 posted on 03/26/2006 9:25:32 AM PST by Laserman
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To: aculeus

Is this 'global brightening?' -- I'm sure it was no more than a couple of years ago that this same crowd was claiming that the earth was experiencing 'global dimming!' And, of course, whether it is brightening or dimming, warming or cooling, raining or snowing, windy or calm, Algore will be there to explain it all to us.


39 posted on 03/26/2006 9:30:53 AM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: aculeus

The sun is actually not significantly brighter. It appears brighter just as sounds appear louder when the person is stressed: anxiety over global warming. It is a maladjustment in bodily chemistry. The cure is to eat less cheese.


40 posted on 03/26/2006 9:34:21 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Dog Gone

And that the greatest of the "greenhouse gasses" is WATER VAPOR that keeps the globe cooled!!! What dipsticks!!! (but they'll never stop till they wipe out Bush and Capitalism and Earth's economy!)


41 posted on 03/26/2006 9:38:27 AM PST by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: Laserman

Reflector Satellites Proposed To Prevent Global Warming

James Pearson, John Oldson and Eugene Levin of Star Technology and Research in Mount Pleasant South Carolina propose construction of a system of satellites to control the amount of sunlight that reaches and warms Earth.

A wild idea to combat global warming suggests creating an artificial ring of small particles or spacecrafts around Earth to shade the tropics and moderate climate extremes.

There would be side effects, proponents admit. An effective sunlight-scattering particle ring would illuminate our night sky as much as the full Moon, for example.

And the price tag would knock the socks off even a big-budget agency like NASA: $6 trillion to $200 trillion for the particle approach. Deploying tiny spacecraft would come at a relative bargain: a mere $500 billion tops.

But the idea, detailed today in the online version of the journal Acta Astronautica, illustrates that climate change can be battled with new technologies, according to one scientist not involved in the new work.

Social anthropologist Benny Peiser of the British Liverpool John Moores University says this proposal demonstrates humans can prevent disastrous climate changes.

"I don't think that the modest warming trend we are currently experiencing poses any significant or long-term threat," Peiser told LiveScience. "Nevertheless, what the paper does show quite impressively is that our hyper-complex civilization is theoretically and technologically capable of dealing with any significant climate change we may potentially face in the future."




The above plan is kind of stupid, but you get the idea.

A solar sail placed in the right spot could reduce the out put of radiation from the sun. Like shading your eyes, moving your hand closer blocks more sun, further away blocks less. You can regulate the earth's amount of radiation received from the sun. The question is who controls the thermostat?


42 posted on 03/26/2006 9:44:52 AM PST by listenhillary (The original Contract with America - The U.S. Constitution)
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To: SamAdams76

Excellent! That's a keeper.


43 posted on 03/26/2006 9:45:38 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: rellimpank
--that just might explain the shrinkage of the polar ice caps on Mars, also-

Nah. That was caused by Chuck Norris

44 posted on 03/26/2006 9:49:37 AM PST by leadhead (Itís a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: Dog Gone
As I was flippin channels to get to FOX NEWS SUNDAY, I came across George Steponallofus riding with the Governor of MT in a hellocopter over Glacier National Monument. The dumass Governor, who's on to some off-beat alternative energy scheme to make MT rich supposedly, was pumpin George completely full of it on the idea that OUR generating carbon dioxide as a "greenhouse gas" was causing the glaciers to melt!

This makes him just as big of a dumass Governor as Schwartzenegger with his "Hydrogen Highway" stuff!!!

The very thing that made it possible for those mountain tops to be a national monument were being melted by reason of mankinds industrious existence!!! I felt so ashamed... AND DIRTY!!! (NOT!)(snort!)(I did wonder why that smokin hellocopter din't just fall right out of the sky because of the BIG LIE)

45 posted on 03/26/2006 9:50:18 AM PST by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: aculeus

It looks like they are building themselves a "back door" to worm out of some of their man-made B.S.


46 posted on 03/26/2006 10:15:56 AM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: aculeus

Gees, the Sun is getting larger. Billions of years from now, it will be a red giant.


47 posted on 03/26/2006 11:00:03 AM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud bunny hater and killer)
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To: aculeus
A series of independent studies around the world show a significant rise in the amount of sunshine penetrating the atmosphere to be absorbed by the earth’s surface and turned into heat.

Good gracious. Doing one study on this is dumb enough but a whole series of them ?

Cut the research budgets !!!!!!
48 posted on 03/26/2006 2:50:43 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: aculeus
No scientist has a definitive explanation for this phenomenon, first called "global dimming". Supposedly, some guy kept measurements of how much water evaporated over time. His measurements showed a decrease from the 1960s through the 1980s.

The trend reversed in the 1990s to 2000. Then reversed again in 2001. The easy explanation is a decrease in air pollution.

But what this "problem" points out is that climate science and the computer models that are used to predict the future are not adequate.

The computer models can't deal adequately with clouds and solar insolation (the amount of sunlight reaching the earth).

Scientists had wanted to put a satellite in space in solar orbit, measuring "albedo" - the ammount of sunlight reflected by the surface of the earth. Unfortunately, that satellite was never launched. So they don't know how much sunlight reaches the earth, how much is reflected by the earth, and how much is absorbed by the earth.

So far, the only theory about global warming or global cooling that stands up to scrutiny are the Milankovich Cycles - the orbital anomalies of the earth - proposed by Milutin Milankovich in full form in 1940. He was trying to explain why our Ice Ages occurred every 100,000 years.

49 posted on 03/26/2006 3:37:26 PM PST by etcetera
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To: aculeus
Such rises could be disastrous for agriculture, wildlife and human settlements in many regions, especially the tropics. But scientists warn they may have to revise these calculations sharply upwards if the impact of “global brightening” has to be factored in.

.we're doomed I tell you...doomed

50 posted on 03/26/2006 4:56:10 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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