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Rice: U.S. to Query Russia on Iraq Intel
AP ^ | March 26, 2006 | DOUGLASS K. DANIEL

Posted on 03/26/2006 9:00:31 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Rice: U.S. to Query Russia on Iraq Intel

By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer

The Bush administration will ask Russia about a report that Moscow turned over information on American troop movements and other military plans to Saddam Hussein during the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday.

"Any implication that there were those from a foreign government who may have been passing information to the Iraqis prior to the invasion would be, of course, very worrying," Rice said on CNN's "Late Edition."

"I would think the Russians would want to take that very seriously as well," she said.

Rice declined to speculate on whether Russia's actions, as detailed in a Pentagon report based on captured Iraqi documents, resulted in casualties among U.S. troops or what Russian President Vladimir Putin knew about any possible Russian involvement.

"We will certainly raise it with the Russian government. We want to take a real hard look at the documents and then raise it with the Russian government," Rice said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service has dismissed the allegation that Moscow provided information to Saddam, whose government was toppled in the invasion.

The top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee said "anything is possible in the area of intelligence." Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan said if the report proved true, "it would be obviously plenty discouraging as well as disgusting" and the U.S. should find ways to let the Russians know "that kind of conduct is not going to be acceptable to us."

A Pentagon report released last week said that two captured Iraqi documents indicate that Russia obtained information from sources "inside the American Central Command" in Qatar. Russia passed battlefield intelligence to Saddam through the former Russian ambassador in Baghdad, Vladimir Titorenko, according to the Pentagon report.

"I will tell you that we take very seriously any suggestion that a foreign government may have passed information to the Iraqis prior to the American invasion that might have put our troops in danger," Rice told "Fox News Sunday."

"I do think we owe it to everyone to take a hard look at the reports and to really understand what's there."

Rice, who was President Bush's national security adviser at the time of the invasion, said she knew nothing of these reports back then.

"I would not jump to the conclusion that this — if, indeed, the reports are true — that it had to be Moscow-directed," Rice said.

Calls to the Russian Foreign Minister on Sunday went unanswered. A statement posted on the ministry's Web site noted that Rice and the foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, spoke by telephone Friday about Iran and "a series of international


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; condirice; iraq; iraqiintelligence; mole; prewardocs; rice; russia; teterenko
It would appear that the Bush administration is once again poised to make excuses for, and/or forgive Russia's anti-American behavior. Remember Rice's dictum..."Punish France, ignore Germany, forgive Russia"??? If they let Russia off the hook on this one, the Bush administration will definately have some serious explaining to do.
1 posted on 03/26/2006 9:00:34 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Tailgunner Joe; nativeRussian

Any news on who leaked the intel. to the Russians from within our government?


2 posted on 03/26/2006 9:05:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Excuse me?

I watched as Condi made these comments...I didn't take away the same thing as youu did.

She spoke in diplospeak....it was what she didn't say that was newsworthy...

3 posted on 03/26/2006 9:07:04 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: GodGunsGuts
the Bush administration will definately have some serious explaining to do.

To who you?

4 posted on 03/26/2006 9:07:45 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: GodGunsGuts

There is no proof that anyone from the US "leaked" the intel.

The intel which was correct (size, disposition of forces, etc) could have come from Russian satellite intel, while the intel on intentions (some right, most wrong) could have been guesswork.

What better way for a Russian wishing to ingratiate himself with Saddam (and get a good sum of money from the Oil-for-Food scandal) than to say that his guesswork came "from inside the US command".

When dealing with intel and counter-intel, NEVER take anything at face value.


5 posted on 03/26/2006 9:12:14 AM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Before blowing your gums and ranting about how you will never forgive Bush if if if......lets review how the memo was released...

The memo was released without telling the Russians it was coming out they found out we knew what they did when the public did......that should tell you how displeased the Bush Admin...really is.

6 posted on 03/26/2006 9:12:40 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog

To the American people. The list of Russia's anti-American actions keeps growing by the day...and, correct me if I'm wrong, we almost never hold them accountable.


7 posted on 03/26/2006 9:13:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
It's a big geopolitical game. You don't think the Russians want the US to succeed in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else do you?
8 posted on 03/26/2006 9:14:19 AM PST by khnyny
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ok so what punishment would you suggest?


9 posted on 03/26/2006 9:14:56 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Philistone

Fair enough. I was referring to a Fox News report that stated that the leak came from within the US governent/military.


10 posted on 03/26/2006 9:15:02 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
No the report and all reporting said the "leak" came from inside CentCom....which if you will remember that during the war had numerous countries allied with us...stationed at CENTCOM.

It could have have one of any number of our allies who feed the Russians the info.

11 posted on 03/26/2006 9:18:41 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog
"The memo was released without telling the Russians it was coming out they found out we knew what they did when the public did......that should tell you how displeased the Bush Admin...really is."


Hmmmm, if somebody within US Command was leaking to the Russians way back when, how do we know what has been discovered was not also leaked? I use that term US Command loosely as there are people outside the Administration who would have had authorization to know, such as Congress.
12 posted on 03/26/2006 9:19:39 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dog

I think a public pronouncement that Russia can no longer be counted on as a "partner" in the WOT would do for starters. Such a statement would be mild in comparison to the laundry list of Russia's aid and comfort to terrorists and terrorist nations.


13 posted on 03/26/2006 9:19:55 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: khnyny
" It's a big geopolitical game. You don't think the Russians want the US to succeed in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else do you?"

You're right about that..

This is one reason Condi needs to be in the next administration too. Too many people think the cold war is over and russia is no longer a player. They use this reasoning to say that Condi, a expert in russian studies looks backward toward the cold war. In fact, that war is just being fought differently, and the russians activities prove that out.

Condi, is in the right position now and well needed into the future.

14 posted on 03/26/2006 9:20:55 AM PST by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I think a public pronouncement that Russia can no longer be counted on as a "partner" in the WOT would do for starters.

Your kidding right?

Do you realize how that would complicate the WOT?

15 posted on 03/26/2006 9:23:04 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog

Yes, but all the "reports" cite the same source which is the Russian himself.

He was (according to this and another source) paid handsomely for his "information".

Just keep in the back of your mind that people who get paid for providing information will attempt to maximize the value of it.

IIRC, anyone with access to CNN in the run-up to the war would have heard military talking heads talking about the tactic of skipping major cities in the run to Baghdad, and that the war wouldn't start until the 4th Army was in position.

They got one right, one wrong. Just like the Russian.


16 posted on 03/26/2006 9:23:07 AM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: Dog
Why pretend that Russia is a partner in the WOT when they consistently (not to mention brazenly) do the opposite?
17 posted on 03/26/2006 9:26:27 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Philistone

What got me steamed was the part in the memo about the Russian tip of our use of the Karbala Gap...that could have really have hurt us....but Saddam being the military genius he aint ignored the tip....and lost Baghdad and will lose his head now.


18 posted on 03/26/2006 9:26:48 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ok say we do what you are suggesting....now lets suppose the Russians capture a Chechen who tells them of a Al Qaeda plot to blow up the White House.....and the Russians say screw the US.....bomb goes off... hundreds die....and we lose the White House..... because.... GodGunsGuts came up with this idea to punish the Russians.

Its all interconnected..

19 posted on 03/26/2006 9:32:02 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog

I think the Joe Wilson story is instructive here. Leaders have lots of sources of information of varying degrees of credibility.

Just by the law of averages, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE will have predicted something that actually came to pass. Doesn't mean he should have been believed prior to the event.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 9:32:16 AM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: Dog

==What got me steamed was the part in the memo about the Russian tip of our use of the Karbala Gap

What got me steamed was how Russia provided intel. designed to get our men and women in uniform killed.


21 posted on 03/26/2006 9:33:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You can't throw the baby out with the bath water..


22 posted on 03/26/2006 9:34:56 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog
I am not making the accusation, however, what if we were to find out that the connection the Russians had with Saddam were to show they knew of the plots of 9/11 type attack???

These Russians are NOT helping put the nuclear jeanie back in the so called bottle with Iran.
23 posted on 03/26/2006 9:35:43 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
I hear you....but we don't live in a perfect world....there are alot of wolves out there.
24 posted on 03/26/2006 9:39:46 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog
"I hear you....but we don't live in a perfect world....there are alot of wolves out there."


That is so very correct, however, Russia is not our friend they are like a jealous older brother who believes he got the short end of the inheritance.
25 posted on 03/26/2006 9:43:53 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dog
==now lets suppose the Russians capture a Chechen who tells them of a Al Qaeda plot to blow up the White House

Russia's information regarding the Chechens is foggy at best. If memory serves, the FSB was caught planting bombs in Russian apartment buildings to be blamed on the Chechens. How can you trust Russia's information on the Chechens if they are willing to engage in terrorism against their own people in the name of the Chechens. I'm not saying the Chechen terrorism isn't real. But I am saying that Russia has discredited itself in one of the only areas where they could have enjoyed a modicum of credibility.
26 posted on 03/26/2006 9:46:31 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
How can you trust Russia's information

Would you ingore the info.... when they presented it to you??

I wouldn't.

27 posted on 03/26/2006 9:48:38 AM PST by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog
Of course I wouldn't ignore the information. However, given everything I know about the current Russian leadership, I would immediately order our intel. services to uncover such a plot if such a plot exists, but with an eye towards also determining Russia's motivation behind said intel.
28 posted on 03/26/2006 9:57:27 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Rice: U.S. to Query Russia on Iraq Intel

Release/Translation of Classified PreWar Docs ping. If you want to be added or removed to the ping list, please Freepmail me.

Please add the keyword prewardocs to any articles pertaining to this subject.

Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents

Also here

Documents from the Harmony Database

29 posted on 03/26/2006 10:04:04 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping


30 posted on 03/26/2006 10:04:49 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Philistone

==What better way for a Russian wishing to ingratiate himself with Saddam (and get a good sum of money from the Oil-for-Food scandal) than to say that his guesswork came "from inside the US command".

I don't think it was a Russian official who was trying to engratiate himself with Saddam. I think it was a case of Russia attempting to help out an ally (or, to put it another way, our enemy).


31 posted on 03/26/2006 10:05:15 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: eyespysomething

Wow, what a find! Thanks--GGG


32 posted on 03/26/2006 10:06:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I'm not disagreeing with you. That seems obvious from other documents that have come out. But the particular Russian cited in this source was also cited in the Oil for Food scandal, so there WAS money involved in this particular (or these) transactions.


33 posted on 03/26/2006 10:16:25 AM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: eyespysomething

Navigating those links is very time consuming. I click links that say "text", but they turn out to be untranslated Iraqi documents. Is there a depository of translated documents indexed by subject? Thanks--GGG


34 posted on 03/26/2006 10:20:20 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Kakaze
I believe I read somewhere she wanted to be NFL Commissioner and with Paul Tagliabue's recent retirement announcement she may not be around. I'm sure she'll ride out the last 2+ with her Buddy GWB, at least I hope so, remarkable Women. The NFL I'm sure has desires to appeal to a more Worldwide Audience to generate revenue and who better to deliver on that premise that a former Secretary of State?
35 posted on 03/26/2006 10:22:10 AM PST by corbe (mystified)
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To: eyespysomething

Thank you for the pings........


36 posted on 03/26/2006 10:48:16 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (TODAY WOULD BE A GOOD DAY FOR LOTS OF HEAVY PRAYING, THE WORLD NEEDS YOUR PRAYERS.)
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To: eyespysomething

Thanks! Intersting discussion here...wish I could stay.


37 posted on 03/26/2006 10:58:34 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Some are translated, some aren't. The obvious ones have an English link.

It was a dump by the Intelligence community/DoD et al.

To know what FReeper jveritas has been translating himself and posting to Free Republic, either check his home page, or search for threads with the keyword prewardocs. There's a link at the top of latest posts or threads page.

38 posted on 03/26/2006 11:04:28 AM PST by eyespysomething
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