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Afghans to free Christian convert (may be sent to mental hospital!)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 3/26/2006 | Kim Barker

Posted on 03/26/2006 10:34:24 AM PST by Dark Skies

Once doctors decide if Rahman is mentally fit to stand trial, prosecutors will decide whether to refile charges against him. If he's sick, he'll be treated, officials said. After he's treated, prosecutors will again ask Rahman whether he's Christian.

"If he has the same answer, we'll see what happens," said Aloko, the deputy attorney general.

If recharged, Rahman would face the death penalty. If not, he could be sent to live in a mental hospital here.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abdulrahman; afghanistan; apostate; christian; islam; koran4a89
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"He will probably be sent to the hospital tomorrow," Mohammed Eshak Aloko, Afghanistan's deputy attorney general, said Sunday evening. "He is not considered a prisoner anymore. He is a sick person."

Ruh roh!

1 posted on 03/26/2006 10:34:26 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

Kind of reminds one of how the Soviet Union dealt with dissenters of any type...and how liberals view Christians in our own country.


2 posted on 03/26/2006 10:37:28 AM PST by Ikemeister
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To: Dark Skies

It might be the safest place for him in the country. If sent free, there could be a fatwa upon him.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 10:37:59 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

If he is released, he needs to be released to coalition forces and spirited out of the country.


4 posted on 03/26/2006 10:40:33 AM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Ikemeister
reminds one of how the Soviet Union dealt with dissenters of any type

Or FDR during WWII. He had the insane asylums filled with dissenters.

5 posted on 03/26/2006 10:41:00 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Then a Texas-style "fatwa," delivered courtesy of US special ops, should be visited upon the Islamofascists who call a fatwa upon him.

BTW, does anybody know where CAIR stands on this issue?

What does Zogby's poll have to say? / sarc

6 posted on 03/26/2006 10:44:26 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Dark Skies
Here's how I think this one will play out. Rahman will be mysteriously murdered, Afghan authorities will make a token investigation, no one will be charged in Rahman's murder, and the Western World will quickly forget the whole episode.
7 posted on 03/26/2006 10:44:35 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Dark Skies
where, if he doesn't commit "suicide" or otherwise meet his demise , he will still never see the light of day again,

Yep, that's justice

Now - on to the rest of the thousands of secret converts

8 posted on 03/26/2006 10:44:39 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Dark Skies

Uh, isn't Afghanistan one of our allies? That's some friends we are socializing with.


9 posted on 03/26/2006 10:45:45 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: ncountylee
Or FDR during WWII. He had the insane asylums filled with dissenters

and you will direct us to the documentation.............?

10 posted on 03/26/2006 10:46:04 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Dark Skies

We should take him into protective custody. This is a much bigger issue than just Rahman. They may yet kill him. Moving him to a mental hospital just insulates the judge and prosecutor from blame.

For conservatives this is no surprise, but this is a great object lesson. Democracy is not liberty; without the moral underpinnings of liberty, democracy is just a license for the majority to oppress the minority, which we are seeing play out right in front of us.

Bringing democracy to Afghanistan is an enormous undertaking, but the point is not voting booths, it is liberty. To allow the judicial murder of this man, or the extra-judicial murder if he is now to be killed in the hospital instead, will undercut everything we are trying to do.

"Democracy" that allows the judicial murder of this man means that the Taliban have returned to power, under our protection.


11 posted on 03/26/2006 10:46:18 AM PST by marron
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To: maine-iac7

Yeah, I'd like to see some evidence of that, too. Bet you don't get a reply...


12 posted on 03/26/2006 10:49:46 AM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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Well, I'll be. CAIR actually has a reasonable (for them) position on this.
13 posted on 03/26/2006 10:50:11 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Dark Skies

If I said what I thought about Muslims placing a Christian in a mental hospital, I would be banned.


14 posted on 03/26/2006 10:52:00 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Dark Skies
Karzai's a politiician. I think in the end he'll find a way to quietly get this guy to a western nation (I'm sure we've told him through back channels that this HAS to happen).

However, what happens when the next Christian comes forward? And the one after that? If they keep harassing these folks it will get very, very ugly.

15 posted on 03/26/2006 10:53:00 AM PST by inkling
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To: maine-iac7
I should have said:

Or as FDR was rumored to have during WWII.

16 posted on 03/26/2006 10:55:50 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Dark Skies

After a few weeks in a turd-world hellhole "mental hospital", he'll probably wish he'd been beheaded, or "pulled to pieces".


17 posted on 03/26/2006 11:00:01 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: Dark Skies

We watched as they demonstrated against the Danish cartoons and now we watch as they threaten to kill a man for converting to another religion. This is a power play for world dominance. And it reveals that any religion which threatens its members with death to keep them from leaving is false.


18 posted on 03/26/2006 11:00:22 AM PST by FreeRep
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To: inkling
However, what happens when the next Christian comes forward? And the one after that? If they keep harassing these folks it will get very, very ugly.

Or, what happens when a Jew comes forward?

19 posted on 03/26/2006 11:04:09 AM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Dark Skies

They will off him at the Hospital, just wait!!


20 posted on 03/26/2006 11:04:16 AM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (God bless our troops!! Our President and those who fight against the awful commie, liberal left!!)
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To: Dark Skies
If he's sick, he'll be treated, officials said. After he's treated, prosecutors will again ask Rahman whether he's Christian.

Translated: "He isn't a muslim practicing Islam who must be branwashed and returned to the collective. If he isn't 'cured' he'll then be put to death."

21 posted on 03/26/2006 11:36:20 AM PST by guestfox01
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To: guestfox01
Oops, I made a mistake...

Translated: "He isn't a muslim practicing Islam who must be branwashed and returned to the collective. If he isn't 'cured' he'll then be put to death."

Should have been...

Translated: "He isn't a muslim practicing Islam. Therefore, he must be brainwashed and returned to the collective. If he isn't 'cured' he'll then be put to death."

22 posted on 03/26/2006 11:39:54 AM PST by guestfox01
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To: Dark Skies
"If he's sick, he'll be treated, officials said".

SICK? Sounds to me like he's CURED!

23 posted on 03/26/2006 11:40:47 AM PST by jaz.357 (blithering intellectual.)
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To: Dark Skies
They've got the wrong guy. He's about the only really sane guy there.

The practitioners of the Muslim cult are the ones who should be in mental institutions...

24 posted on 03/26/2006 11:53:59 AM PST by Gritty (If one can only convert to, but not from,Islam, it is a threat to every free person on Earth-M Steyn)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

He is a man who actually believes in Jesus Christ and says that he is not afraid of dying. God bless him. He shows more faith in this faithless world than I have seen since Mother Theresa.


25 posted on 03/26/2006 12:19:27 PM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Dark Skies
Ironic how the truly sick, Muslims/Islam, can declare another to be mentally ill.

And WE are supposed to tolerate them?

Not a chance.

26 posted on 03/26/2006 12:24:47 PM PST by Thumper1960 (The enemy within: Demoncrats and DSA.ORG Sedition is a Liberal "family value".)
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To: JCEccles

Well, I'll be. CAIR actually has a reasonable (for them) position on this."

It's easy for Cair to have a reasonable position on it as they are trying to buffalo the non-muslims in the U.S.

I'm sure the rest of the muslim world knows Cair is lying to the infidels.


27 posted on 03/26/2006 12:29:08 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: inkling

Karzai's a politiician. I think in the end he'll find a way to quietly get this guy to a western nation"

Karzai's first and formost a muslim and if he sneaks Rahman out to a western nation,he might be murdered himself and he knows it.


28 posted on 03/26/2006 12:33:50 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: marron

"Democracy is not liberty; without the moral underpinnings of liberty, democracy is just a license for the majority to oppress the minority, which we are seeing play out right in front of us."

This is the most insightful comment I've seen on the efforts to bring democracy to the Middle East. Well done!


29 posted on 03/26/2006 12:43:30 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: philetus
Karzai's first and formost a muslim and if he sneaks Rahman out to a western nation,he might be murdered himself and he knows it.

The fact that Rahman would be tried and possibly murdered by the court for being a Christian, the fact that muslims trying to save him do so at very real risk to their own lives, this tells us everything we need to know about Islam.

Karzai would have been dead long ago were it not for Christian bodyguards who keep him alive. He wouldn't last a day without them.

30 posted on 03/26/2006 12:48:58 PM PST by marron
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To: ncountylee
I should have said: Or as FDR was rumored to have during WWII.

Where did you hear this rumor?

31 posted on 03/26/2006 12:53:54 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Gritty
They've got the wrong guy. He's about the only really sane guy there.

Exactly.

Compare the facial expressions in this photo. Rahman's face has a soft and smiling quality even though he is the one facing possible death. The others have an aspect of anger or sadness.

It is not at all surprising that a Spirit-filled Christian would appear insane to devout muslims.

BTW, look at the expression of Rahman's hands (over his heart). We can pretty clearly surmise what he is saying.


32 posted on 03/26/2006 1:17:28 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: patriciaruth

Western Pennsylvania.

33 posted on 03/26/2006 1:44:31 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: marron
"Democracy" that allows the judicial murder of this man means that the Taliban have returned to power, under our protection.

Thanks for this and all of your other great replies on threads about this man.

34 posted on 03/26/2006 2:25:40 PM PST by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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To: marron
Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

The Afghan Judiciary needs a refresher on the supremacy of individual Liberty and freedom. Islamists can all go to hell.

35 posted on 03/26/2006 2:55:34 PM PST by bubman
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To: Dark Skies

Why do I have this feeling that death might be preferable to life in an Afghan mental institution?


36 posted on 03/26/2006 2:58:24 PM PST by kalee
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To: kalee
Why do I have this feeling that death might be preferable to life in an Afghan mental institution?

Can you imagine the horror stories that come from an islamic asylum.

But Rahman has something special...he knows he is willing to die for his faith in the Real God. In a way, he has already transcended his circumstances.

For this man, it's all gravy from here on out.

37 posted on 03/26/2006 3:15:23 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: patriciaruth

After WWII, Ezra Pound was confined to a mental institution. If not that, he well might have been executed for treason for his support of the facists during the war.


38 posted on 03/26/2006 3:31:33 PM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Dark Skies

Announce there is going to be a stoning.

Then shoot everybody who shows up.


39 posted on 03/26/2006 4:37:48 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: ncountylee

The hills of Western Pennsylvania are alive with the sound of rumors....?

I suppose I shouldn't have been colloquial and asked, "From whom did you hear the rumor?"

Series, did you hear it from a person or read about it?

I'm not sure where I first heard a lot of stuff floating around in my head, so if you can't remember, don't sweat it. I'm just curious as it's not a rumor I ever heard, and I'm as old as dirt.


40 posted on 03/26/2006 10:14:09 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: stop_fascism

You think we should go the Ezra Pound route and put Jim McDermott, Michael Moore, etc. in mental institutions after the war? -- assuming we live to see the end of the war..


41 posted on 03/26/2006 10:18:55 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: patriciaruth
After the Korean War and the talk about brain washing, I remember comments and media mention of insane asylums being used during WWII as a way to maintain security.

No brain washing was involved, just detention.

42 posted on 03/26/2006 10:19:02 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

LOL!!


43 posted on 03/26/2006 10:19:37 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: ncountylee

(Netscape just cut out on me, so back on IE)

I remember reading about North Korean brainwashing many years ago...

What impressed me the most was their finding that if you separate the leaders from a group of POW's that the ones left will pretty much do or believe anything they are told.

They would watch a group and then take out of the group anyone who showed any initiative, like suggesting making latrines or picking up the garbage, etc.

The part that rocked me was that only 1-2% of the men needed to be removed, that only that few showed any initiative or leadership.

That made me a lot more understanding of Patty Hearst when that situation arose.

Back to the mental institutions...

I wonder (assuming this happened) if FDR got the idea from Stalin.

Meanwhile, my husband has been watching a documentary about FDR and Stalin in WWII and what impressed him most was how old and decrepit FDR was. Not just at the end, but before. Wonders how much grief we endured with the Soviets after the war was due to FDR not being physically or mentally strong enough to stand up to Stalin during the war.


44 posted on 03/26/2006 10:34:04 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: patriciaruth
Wonders how much grief we endured with the Soviets after the war was due to FDR not being physically or mentally strong enough to stand up to Stalin during the war.

Eastern Europe and a trillion dollars but remember the Uncle Joe had follow travelers advising FDR (Truman too).

45 posted on 03/26/2006 10:46:46 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

I'm so glad Condi is cleaning up the State Dept and that George is in the Oval, especially with all this news about the Russians helping Saddam. Wouldn't it have been lovely if Gore or Kerry had been in the Oval and Uncle Joe Biden at State?

Our country is riddled with people who are still spiritually aligned with Russia instead of their own Constitution, despite the implosion of the Soviet Union. And I suspect a fair number of them still take their marching orders from that part of the world.

They're still married to the idea of socialist workers of the world united, or are still taking money from the communist till. Yet most of them would never in a million years happily become a lockstep worker in the factories or fields.

So what is the mental defect they suffer from? Maybe they do belong in insane asylums.


46 posted on 03/26/2006 10:58:01 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Dark Skies
Year right.

So the religion of piece desides to forgo killing the the guy by cutting off his head but instead put him in a mental prison.

I thought this new Afghan government was supposed to be better than the @sshole Taliban.

Looks like we got nothing for many non Muslims death freeing those dick he@ds from their slave masters.

I don't accept their compromise.

Pi$$ on these nut jobs, I'm mad.
47 posted on 03/26/2006 11:03:09 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Concur with being appalled.

However, the current Afghani government isn't harboring bin Laden. And if the Taliban had given up bin Laden in 2001 and destroyed his al Quaeda camps, the U.S. would have tolerated their continued hold on power there.

The difference is that now we can roam around and shoot terrorists that want to kill Americans. Still can't roam around and shoot Afghanis who want to kill Christian converts.


48 posted on 03/26/2006 11:22:20 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: JCEccles
Then a Texas-style "fatwa," delivered courtesy of US special ops, should be visited upon the Islamofascists who call a fatwa upon him.

If they do "fatwa", then perhaps we should do "thinwa"...

the infowarrior

49 posted on 03/27/2006 2:01:58 AM PST by infowarrior (The GOP runs the US, the Dems run their mouths... Freeper HardStarboard)
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To: patriciaruth

I'd prefer permanet exhile, and why wait? ;-)


50 posted on 03/27/2006 6:43:18 AM PST by stop_fascism
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