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Government Turns Iraq Documents Over To Bloggers
AP via TheKansasChannel.com ^ | 3/27/2006 | Staff

Posted on 03/27/2006 3:24:05 PM PST by Dark Skies

The federal government is making public a huge trove of documents seized during the invasion of Iraq, posting them on the Internet in a step that is at once a nod to the Web's power and an admission that U.S. intelligence resources are overloaded.

Republican leaders in Congress pushed for the release, which was first proposed by conservative commentators and bloggers hoping to find evidence about the fate of Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs, or possible links to terror groups.

The Web surfers have begun posting translations and comments, digging through the documents with gusto. The idea of the government turning over a massive database to volunteers is revolutionary -- and not only to them.

"Let's unleash the power of the Internet on these documents," said House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich. "I don't know if there's a smoking gun on WMD or not. But it will give us a better understanding of what was going on in Iraq before the war."

The documents' value is uncertain -- intelligence officials say that they are giving each one a quick review to remove anything sensitive. Skeptics of the war, suspicious of the Bush administration, believe that means the postings are either useless or cherry-picked to bolster arguments for the war.

The documents -- Iraqi memos, training guides, reports, transcripts of conversations, audiotapes and videotapes -- have spurred a flurry of news reports. The Associated Press, for instance, reported on memos from Saddam Hussein in 1987 ordering plans for a chemical attack on Kurds and comments from Hussein and his aides in the 1990s, searching for ways to prove they didn't have weapons.

Hoekstra said it took months of arguing with intelligence officials before he and John Negroponte, the new Director of National Intelligence, agreed to make the documents public. None contain current information about the Iraqi insurgency, and U.S. intelligence officials say they are focusing their limited resources on learning about what's happening on the ground now.

There are up to 55,000 boxes, with possibly millions of pages. The documents are being posted a few at a time -- so far, about 600 -- on a Pentagon Web site, often in Arabic with an English summary.

Regardless of what they reveal, open-government advocates like the decision to make them available.

It's a "radical notion," said Steve Aftergood at the Federation of American Scientists government secrecy project, which tracks work by U.S. intelligence agencies. That "members of the public could contribute to the intelligence analysis process. ... That is a bold innovation."

Champions of the Internet as a "citizen's media" embraced the step, too.

"The secret of the 21st century is attract a lot of smart people to focus on problems that you think are important," said Glenn Reynolds, the conservative blogger at Instapundit.com and author of "An Army of Davids: How Markets and Technology Empower Ordinary People to Beat Big Media, Big Government and Other Goliaths."

"It's kind of like a swarm. It's a lot of individual minds looking at it from different angles. The stuff that's most interesting tends to bubble to the top," he said.

A self-described Iraqi blogger translated one of the documents for the American blog pajamasmedia.com -- a Sept. 15, 2001, memo from the Iraqi intelligence service that reported about an Afghan source who had been told that a group from Osama bin Laden and the Taliban had visited Iraq.

Some remain doubtful, suspecting that the administration only releases information that puts President Bush and his arguments for war in a good light. The Iraq Survey Group found no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction after the war, and the Sept. 11 commission reported it found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al-Qaida.

"I would bet that the materials that they chose to post were the ones that were suggestive of a threat," said John Prados, author of the book, "Hoodwinked: The Documents That Reveal How Bush Sold Us a War."

Prados, an analyst with the National Security Archive, a non-governmental research institute, dismissed the documents: "The collection is good material for somebody who wants to do a biography of Saddam Hussein, but in terms of saying one thing or the other about weapons of mass destruction, it's not there."

One of several conservative blogs devoting attention to the release, Powerline.com, set up a separate page to catalog its findings and news reports on what the documents reveal.

"These documents are going to shed a lot of light on a regime that was quite successful in maintaining secrecy," said John Hinderaker, one of three men who run the site. "Before the first Gulf War, Saddam was perilously close to getting nuclear weapons and people didn't know it. The evils of the regime will be reflected."

But he also cautioned the optimistic. "When you're dealing with millions of pages of documents," he said, "it's a big mistake to think you can pull out one page or sentence out of a document and say 'Eureka, this is it.'"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bloggers; blogs; dod; iraqiintelligence; prewardocs; weblogs

1 posted on 03/27/2006 3:24:07 PM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

The new media rules!


2 posted on 03/27/2006 3:26:27 PM PST by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Dark Skies

....time to kick some Dhimmicrat ass


3 posted on 03/27/2006 3:26:36 PM PST by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: Dark Skies
Here's the link...

Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents

4 posted on 03/27/2006 3:28:51 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

Yeah, and the libs are choking on it!!! GOOD!
The three-letter agencies are still trying to recover from the dessimation of the Clinton years that not only tore the agencies apart, but built barriers between them as we know from the revelations of ABLE DANGER.

Good move on the part of the adminstration.


5 posted on 03/27/2006 3:29:53 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Dark Skies
"Prados, an analyst with the National Security Archive, a non-governmental research institute, dismissed the documents: 'The collection is good material for somebody who wants to do a biography of Saddam Hussein, but in terms of saying one thing or the other about weapons of mass destruction, I pray to God for the sake of the Democraps that it's not there.'" There, that's better... (How could this asshat know it's "not there" before the vast of the majority of these millions of pages have been translated? He couldn't, of course, so his statement is clearly a statement of what he hopes to see, not of fact.)
6 posted on 03/27/2006 3:34:43 PM PST by piytar
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To: piytar; eyespysomething

So much has already been found. Hand this guy his platter of crow.


7 posted on 03/27/2006 3:40:14 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Dark Skies
"I would bet that the materials that they chose to post were the ones that were suggestive of a threat," said John Prados, author of the book, "Hoodwinked: The Documents That Reveal How Bush Sold Us a War." Prados, an analyst with the National Security Archive, a non-governmental research institute, dismissed the documents: "The collection is good material for somebody who wants to do a biography of Saddam Hussein, but in terms of saying one thing or the other about weapons of mass destruction, it's not there."

Just think about the implications of this statement by this dimwit lying vicious scumbag from the misnamed "National Security Archive" (left wing morons). He has no way of knowing what's in those 55,000 boxes, and there have been several extremely damning documents already translated by the great "jveritas" here, but Mr. Prados somehow, magically, just KNOWS that there is nothing there and the whole war was...... what? a fabrication by WH officials who supposedly KNEW that no WMDs or WMD programs would be found? Yes, that makes great sense, for any WH to launch into a war that they KNOW will be proved unjustified and condemned by history. Yeah, Mr. Prados, you are really bright bulb...... and these morons claims that Bush is dumb - they are too stupid for words.
8 posted on 03/27/2006 3:41:15 PM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: MamaLucci
We all know the MSM will only find what they want and discredit the rest.

ABC's coverage of this, with its editorial notes, pretty much shows their hand.

They will be out-flanked once again and still not catch on.

9 posted on 03/27/2006 3:41:58 PM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: Dark Skies
For the people who say Bush can do nothing right...

Here is another example of where his strategery works!

10 posted on 03/27/2006 3:42:31 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: capt. norm

The beauty of it is that it doesn't MATTER what the MSM does. Their days are numbered.


11 posted on 03/27/2006 3:45:42 PM PST by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
Here are some comments I find particularly appealing...

It's a "radical notion," said Steve Aftergood at the Federation of American Scientists government secrecy project, which tracks work by U.S. intelligence agencies. That "members of the public could contribute to the intelligence analysis process. ... That is a bold innovation."

Champions of the Internet as a "citizen's media" embraced the step, too.

"The secret of the 21st century is attract a lot of smart people to focus on problems that you think are important," said Glenn Reynolds, the conservative blogger at Instapundit.com and author of "An Army of Davids: How Markets and Technology Empower Ordinary People to Beat Big Media, Big Government and Other Goliaths."

"It's kind of like a swarm. It's a lot of individual minds looking at it from different angles. The stuff that's most interesting tends to bubble to the top," he said.


12 posted on 03/27/2006 3:46:23 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Enchante

Mr. Prados' book sales DEPEND on ignoring all evidence of Iraqi involvement in terror and WMD. His comments are to be expected, and laughed at...


13 posted on 03/27/2006 3:52:36 PM PST by wvobiwan (I lose track, is Russia the enemy again? Plus terrorists, France, and Hollywood of course.)
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To: Dark Skies

Three years on, I think that what happened with regard to Iraq's weapons has become fairly clear. At least, to me.

Here's what we know:

1) There was massive intelligence suggesting that Iraq posessed weapons of mass destruction. This is almost universally agreed upon.
2) No satisfactory explanation of what happened to them has ever been officially offered. I don't believe Saddam got rid of them voluntarily, as some would have us believe. Nor is it possible - given what we know - that they were never there.
3) The most obvious explanation is that they were moved.

But, if they were moved, why would they have been moved, who would have moved them, and where would they have been moved to?

I don't know all of it. But here's what I think.

Russia was involved, during the 1990's, in supplying additional WMD to Iraq - probably in exchange for hard cash. When war became imminent, they repossessed the weapons - offering Saddam diplomatic support (and possibly other weapons) in exchange.

The Administration has been aware of this. Probably for years. That's why they've remained strangely silent about possible movement of the weapons.

Simply put, if it were to be revealed to the American people that was what had happened, the United States and Russia would become enemies once more.


14 posted on 03/27/2006 3:58:56 PM PST by furquhart (Time for a New Crusade - Deus lo Volt!)
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To: Dark Skies

The whole world must be pinging this web site. I couldn't get through. Timed out.


15 posted on 03/27/2006 3:59:28 PM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does. Islam is as Islam allows.)
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To: manwiththehands

I just tried and it was busy...so it isn't just you.


16 posted on 03/27/2006 4:01:15 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: newyorkjournalist

ping


17 posted on 03/27/2006 4:06:30 PM PST by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Dark Skies
The documents' value is uncertain -- intelligence officials say that they are giving each one a quick review to remove anything sensitive. Skeptics of the war, suspicious of the Bush administration, believe that means the postings are either useless or cherry-picked to bolster arguments for the war.

They are all fake... unless one sentence indicates Bush told a fib!

18 posted on 03/27/2006 4:07:30 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup

I'm thinking that the government will turn over all its UFO docs to bloggers. Yee haw!


19 posted on 03/27/2006 4:11:28 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
Bloggers in PJ's, just doing the job our government and the LMSM won't do.
20 posted on 03/27/2006 4:12:46 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: Dark Skies; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Government Turns Iraq Documents Over To Bloggers

Release/Translation of Classified PreWar Docs ping. If you want to be added or removed to the ping list, please Freepmail me.

Please add the keyword prewardocs to any articles pertaining to this subject.

Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents

Also here

Documents from the Harmony Database

21 posted on 03/27/2006 4:17:57 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: MizSterious

LOL, thanks for the ping.

They can keep denying, but it's only going to make them look even worse! (if that's possible)


22 posted on 03/27/2006 4:19:23 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Dark Skies
I'm thinking that the government will turn over all its UFO docs to bloggers. Yee haw!

Now your just being silly! We all saw what happened when the MJ-12 documents went public.

23 posted on 03/27/2006 4:20:48 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Dark Skies
"Let's unleash the power of the Internet on these documents,"

Hallelujah!

Think this is another reason the libs - including McLame - are trying to shut off our voices?

I said it years ago, and I'll say it again - just because it makes me feel so good - that the Internet is going to bring about one of the biggest and best paradigm shifts in the history of the world. It is going to make it near impossible for the rats and their untruths to reign.

The LIGHT that the Internet provides, through our ability to get to the truth, will shine so bright, the rats will be driven back to cower in the dark, dank corners where they belong.

"Let Freedom Ring..." (It's a GOOD day.)

24 posted on 03/27/2006 4:33:03 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Dark Skies
That "members of the public could contribute to the intelligence analysis process. ... That is a bold innovation."

Basic common sense and innovation of any sort always seem bold to a government bureaucrat.

25 posted on 03/27/2006 4:40:07 PM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Now your just being silly!

Well, the cocktail hour has begun.

26 posted on 03/27/2006 4:46:01 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies
"The collection is good material for somebody who wants to do a biography of Saddam Hussein, but in terms of saying one thing or the other about weapons of mass destruction, it's not there."

Based on a handful of documents...no bias there

27 posted on 03/27/2006 4:48:58 PM PST by woofie
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To: Dark Skies
Someone woke up.
Of course we already KNOW they are in Syria.
28 posted on 03/27/2006 4:52:47 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Dark Skies

I wonder what would happen if the documents were to link to OKC?


29 posted on 03/27/2006 4:52:49 PM PST by Vob
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To: Vob
I wonder what would happen if the documents were to link to OKC?

My guess? Heads would explode.

It would be a thing of beauty. ;^)

30 posted on 03/27/2006 5:37:37 PM PST by Shelayne
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To: Shelayne

"Pop goes the weasal!"


31 posted on 03/27/2006 5:43:48 PM PST by Vob
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To: Dark Skies
Mr. Prados says that the admin is just releasing info about Hussein that makes them look good. So I suppose releasing information that would have placed Hitler in a bad light omitting all his "good" deeds such as his love for his dog would have just been propaganda put out by the Roosevelt admin.

This would be hilarious if Hussein wasn't such a monster. Releasing documents that just make Hussein look bad? So I suppose if he had handed a coin to a beggar sometime in his life, that would have negated slaughtering hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen as well as starting two wars with foreign governments. I simply can't believe what comes out of the pieholes of libs like Prados.

32 posted on 03/27/2006 5:49:12 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Dark Skies; eyespysomething
AP did not credit FR of being the first site to publish the translation about the Afghani consul talking to an Iraqi intelligence source foru days after 9/11 about Saddam connection to Bin Laden and the Taliban. The Iraqi blogger (Omar) translation came a day later (March 17 3:00PM ) after we posted the translated document here on FR (March 16 10:45 AM EST).

FR is the one who should get the credit for this.

33 posted on 03/27/2006 6:16:57 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Dark Skies

Isn't this kinda old news (at least, in the New Media)?


34 posted on 03/27/2006 7:01:23 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: jveritas

You are being far too modest sir. YOU are leading the world in this endeavor. YOU deserve the credit for the document you reference and almost all others that have come to light.

Your efforts deserve our eternal gratitude. The real impact of those efforts may not be seen for years by people outside this forum but be assured, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Disclaimer: It is not my intent to minimize the tremendous efforts of the other people who are involved in these translations. I am merely making certain that your efforts are acknowledged. I've seen your FR nick in articles on rightnation.us, magnoliareport.com and in various Google news articles.

Thank you for your efforts.


35 posted on 03/27/2006 7:14:01 PM PST by NerdDad
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To: Dark Skies
"The secret of the 21st century is attract a lot of smart people to focus on problems that you think are important," said Glenn Reynolds, the conservative blogger at Instapundit.com and author of "An Army of Davids: How Markets and Technology Empower Ordinary People to Beat Big Media, Big Government and Other Goliaths."

"It's kind of like a swarm. It's a lot of individual minds looking at it from different angles. The stuff that's most interesting tends to bubble to the top," he said.

..we are the blog....resistance is futile

36 posted on 03/27/2006 8:15:54 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: manwiththehands
The whole world must be pinging this web site. I couldn't get through. Timed out.

Same here. Doesn't surprise me--everyone wants to be the next Buckhead. Be interesting to see the traffic stats for the site over the next few days/weeks.

37 posted on 03/27/2006 8:29:07 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
I would let her "assimilate" me any day. :-)

I must be tired. Off to bed ...

38 posted on 03/27/2006 8:34:17 PM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does. Islam is as Islam allows.)
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To: NerdDad

Thank you very much my fellow freeper for this very nice post :)


39 posted on 03/27/2006 9:07:44 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: NerdDad

BTTT


40 posted on 03/27/2006 9:13:05 PM PST by dervish
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To: jveritas

bfl


41 posted on 03/27/2006 9:19:50 PM PST by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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To: oyez

BFL? That is a new acronym to me :) what does it mean?


42 posted on 03/27/2006 9:21:41 PM PST by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

"meaning of acronym: BFL" ?
I'm guessing, bookmark for later?


43 posted on 03/27/2006 10:09:03 PM PST by Walkenfree ("Aspire to Inspire before you expire")
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To: jveritas

Bump for later reading.


44 posted on 03/27/2006 10:48:49 PM PST by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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To: Dark Skies
Why, so MSM can scrutinize, plagiarize and eventually villainies?
45 posted on 03/28/2006 4:23:44 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: EagleUSA
Good morning.
"...but built barriers between them as we know from the revelations of ABLE DANGER."

This brings up another point.

Will the good work that jveritas has done add validity to the work of Able Danger?

The truth has been out there all along, but it took a FReeper to bring it out into the light.

Michael Frazier
46 posted on 03/28/2006 7:00:04 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: furquhart
Good morning.
"Simply put, if it were to be revealed to the American people that was what had happened, the United States and Russia would become enemies once more.'

I've been arguing this for a while, but it goes way beyond Russia and WMD.

I believe that the Administration has long known of the involvement of allies and sitting Senators and Congress critters, to the level of treason, but if the people knew the distraction from the war would be overwhelming.

Justice can be served in time.

Michael Frazier
47 posted on 03/28/2006 7:21:09 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Vob
Good morning.
"I wonder what would happen if the documents were to link to OKC?"

Wouldn't that also mean a link to the clinton posse?

Oh, the possibilities.

Michael Frazier
48 posted on 03/28/2006 7:29:56 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville

jveritas may connect the dots over time. Modi operandi of AQ and homegrown disinfo. MSM is dead.

vob


49 posted on 04/09/2006 6:38:35 PM PDT by Vob
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