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Israeli Election - Live Thread

Posted on 03/27/2006 9:12:18 PM PST by furquhart

I'm probably a little early, but I see on Fox that they're already showing the ritual votes of the leaders, etc.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: elections; israel; liberman; netanyahu; netenyahy; olmert; peretz
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1 posted on 03/27/2006 9:12:22 PM PST by furquhart
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To: furquhart

It's just past 7am in Tel Aviv, I think. Polls won't close for a while.


2 posted on 03/27/2006 9:13:16 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: furquhart

Can't be that early, Zogby shows Kerry by double digits.


3 posted on 03/27/2006 9:13:43 PM PST by Third Order
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To: HitmanLV

D'oh.

I figured it was later than that.

Well, pull, whatever.


4 posted on 03/27/2006 9:14:09 PM PST by furquhart (Time for a New Crusade - Deus lo Volt!)
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To: Third Order

My prediction - Kadmia first, Likud a surprise in second - perhaps a closer second than expected.

The anti-withdrawal position, the hard line, strikes me as a classic poor polling question.


5 posted on 03/27/2006 9:15:13 PM PST by furquhart (Time for a New Crusade - Deus lo Volt!)
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To: furquhart

Following the elections with interest.


6 posted on 03/27/2006 9:16:05 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: furquhart; SJackson; Alouette; Salem; All

OH Israelis news list ping leaderrssssssss


7 posted on 03/27/2006 9:19:07 PM PST by SevenofNine (I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy)
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To: HitmanLV

Greater Israel is out, the Wall is in, dealing with the Palestinians is out, a unilateral "resolution" is in, and this election really doesn't matter much. Isreal's realistic choices are basically plan A and plan A. Sure, bombing the nukes is Iran is an option, but that wasn't a campaign issue. In short, the election doesn't matter much, and thus the ennui.


8 posted on 03/27/2006 9:20:02 PM PST by Torie
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To: furquhart
"My prediction - Kadmia first, Likud a surprise in second - perhaps a closer second than expected. "

Let's hope so - moderate leaning conservative is the best path for peace without conceding so much it weakens the country.

Although the way things are going it may not be long before nobody has real peace.
9 posted on 03/27/2006 9:22:26 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Torie

Elections matter more often than they don't.


10 posted on 03/27/2006 9:22:50 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: furquhart

If Hamas forms a government, the greater victory for Israel will be a large defunding of the PA.


11 posted on 03/27/2006 9:22:53 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: gondramB

I'm an annexationist/explusionist. But, alas, it seems to be off the table these days.


12 posted on 03/27/2006 9:23:54 PM PST by furquhart (Time for a New Crusade - Deus lo Volt!)
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To: HitmanLV

Yep, but I revert to my post. Even Likud really doesn't want the West Bank. They want to play Clint Eastwood for a better deal. But there won't be any deal - none, nada. The Palestininas plan to await demographic developments.


13 posted on 03/27/2006 9:24:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

Is this your way of saying that the guys the Freepers like most are going to have a poor showing?


14 posted on 03/27/2006 9:26:14 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: All

ON THE NET...

http://www.internet-haganah.com/jihadi/pij.html

http://www.internet-haganah.com/jihadi

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ON THE NET...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3233027,00.html

Elections 2006
"High alert: 85 terror warnings"

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Defense establishment declares highest state of alert: Police, IDF prepare to thwart terror attacks, escort high-ranking officials to polling stations; authorities contending with 14 concrete terror warnings, 22,000 police officers to be deployed across nation
Efrat Weiss

As Israelis prepare to cast their ballots Tuesday, police forces across the country have declared the highest state of alert, as the defense establishment is dealing with 85 terror warnings, 14 of them concrete.

Islamic Jihad is the prime culprit and intends to carry out attacks using the group's terror cells in the northern West Bank, officials

said."


15 posted on 03/27/2006 9:26:35 PM PST by Cindy
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To: HitmanLV

Probably, but it really doesn't matter whether the showing is good or bad. The policy options are just not there. Kadima will probably rather easily form a coalition for plan A, the same plan Likud would pursue sub silento, with more noise.


16 posted on 03/27/2006 9:28:07 PM PST by Torie
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To: furquhart

"I'm an annexationist/explusionist. But, alas, it seems to be off the table these days."

Since there's not much election news yet....

Do mean expanding beyond the West Bank? Beyond Gaza?


17 posted on 03/27/2006 9:28:09 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Torie

Works for me.


18 posted on 03/27/2006 9:29:24 PM PST by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!!l)
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To: gondramB

Well, ideally, I'd love to see a Greater Israel pushed into the Sinai, Syria, Jordan, etc, with the Moslem residents physically expelled.

But, at a minimum, I'd like to see Judea and Samaria annexed and the Moslems expelled.

Population transfer is hardly the same thing as extermination. Especially given the explusion of other Jewish communities in the Middle East and the reality of Islamic aggression.


19 posted on 03/27/2006 9:29:51 PM PST by furquhart (Time for a New Crusade - Deus lo Volt!)
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To: Torie
"Yep, but I revert to my post. Even Likud really doesn't want the West Bank. They want to play Clint Eastwood for a better deal. But there won't be any deal - none, nada. The Palestininas plan to await demographic developments."

And thus Sharon will perhaps be most remembered for being the leader who stood up and said "we are not waiting any longer for y'all to get your act together - start the wall."

Except he didn't actually say "y'all."

:)
20 posted on 03/27/2006 9:34:48 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: gondramB

I started ranting about getting a Wall about 4 years before Sharon on this very site. It seemed just so well, obvious. There was NO other way out of the box. And so it goes.


21 posted on 03/27/2006 9:37:43 PM PST by Torie
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To: furquhart
"Well, ideally, I'd love to see a Greater Israel pushed into the Sinai, Syria, Jordan, etc, with the Moslem residents physically expelled.

But, at a minimum, I'd like to see Judea and Samaria annexed and the Moslems expelled. "

How would Judea and Samaria translate into modern geography -is it all the Palestinian area or does it go into Lebanon?
22 posted on 03/27/2006 9:41:10 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Torie
The Palestininas plan to await demographic developments.

They may have to wait very long in that case according to a new demographics study indicating erroneous/fraudulent data on Pali population:

Press release on the study

West Bank/Gaza demographic study: The 1.5 million population gap.

23 posted on 03/27/2006 9:41:23 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: furquhart
But, at a minimum, I'd like to see Judea and Samaria annexed and the Moslems expelled.

One good programme... in principle. I just cannot see neither political will for its implementation in any Israeli party worth of the name, nor conditions which could do it possible. Alas.

24 posted on 03/27/2006 9:41:33 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazis, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: ScaniaBoy

The UN factbook says the ferility in Gaza is the highest in the world, about 7, and around 5 or so on the West Bank. Maybe it is wrong, but I doubt if it is that wrong. Plus, Israel is going to get relatively rather few Jewish immigrants going forward. They have sucked that well rather dry.


25 posted on 03/27/2006 9:45:24 PM PST by Torie
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To: gondramB

Judea and Samaria are the Weat Bank.


26 posted on 03/27/2006 9:49:10 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

From the press release:

The research team discovered:

Fewer births: PA Ministry of Health birth reports were substantially lower than the number predicted by the PBS.

Lower Fertility Rates: Palestinian fertility rates declined from the mid-90’s through 2003, according to PA Ministry of Health, consistent with the trend occurring in other Middle Eastern Arab societies.

Net Emigration: Instead of the large immigration originally projected by the PA, the Territories experienced a steady net emigration averaging 10,000 a year.

Double Counting: 210,000 Jerusalem Arabs who are already counted in Israel’s population survey were included in the PA survey.

Inclusion of non-residents: Palestinians with IDs living abroad for over one year were included in the PA Census & Projection.

Internal migration: 150,000 PA Arabs who have legally relocated to Israel since 1993 are still counted by the PA..




Of course the UN fact book is correct. The UN is always correct. /sarcasm

I think the question is worthy of some serious study. The study by Zimmerman et al seems to be a first step forward.


27 posted on 03/27/2006 9:55:58 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I meant the "CIA" factbook. My error.


28 posted on 03/27/2006 9:56:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: gondramB

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_judea_samaria.php

A link to a map and discussion of Judea and Samaria.


29 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:12 PM PST by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: Torie

I absolutely agree with you, and I get villified for it on a daily basis. Most folks already know my vote (Kadima).


30 posted on 03/27/2006 9:59:12 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: Torie

"I started ranting about getting a Wall about 4 years before Sharon on this very site. It seemed just so well, obvious. There was NO other way out of the box. And so it goes."

The first to have the idea...maybe when you posted about it -perhaps it got back to Sharon.


31 posted on 03/27/2006 10:00:14 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Torie

"Judea and Samaria are the Weat Bank."

Thank you for that.


32 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:40 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: HitmanLV

Polls close at 10 PM local time. In the States you will start to see results Tuesday evening. Final numbers of mandates will be known by Wednesday or Thursday.

My expectation is Kadima winning, Labour second, Likud and Yisrael Beitenu will be very close for a distant third. The last Maagar Mohot poll showed Likud fourth (12 seats). Of course, Yisrael Beitenu is the right as well.


33 posted on 03/27/2006 10:02:29 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: Ingtar

Great link - thanks.
Paul


34 posted on 03/27/2006 10:02:54 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Yep, and with no jobs and no big pay-out from the West, they might just want to be moving along. The main reason there are as many so-called Palestinians as there are was the presence of Israeli enterprise and jobs.


35 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:04 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: gondramB

Prime Minister Sharon was a late adopter of separation. It really became a national discussion when Ehud Barak adopted it in his waning days in office. His famous fall, 2000 "Us over here, them over there" speech (which much of the left called racist) was the real beginning, though some (like Uzi Dayan) were talking about the idea even earlier.


36 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:29 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: claudiustg

Exactly!


37 posted on 03/27/2006 10:06:41 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Neophyte

Indeed, any such attempt would yield international intervention on the Palestinian side, much as we saw in Kosovo. That is not a prospect I would relish.

I'll be happy with keeping the major settlement blocs, the Jewish enclave in Hebron and the settlement in the Hebron hills (which Avi Dichter claimed Kadima would keep), and that we contain the Palestinians and minimize their ability to cause harm.


38 posted on 03/27/2006 10:07:32 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: claudiustg
they might just want to be moving along.

Well the US has "open" borders.

39 posted on 03/27/2006 10:09:16 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
Well the US has "open" borders.

That hasn't worked terribly well, has it?

40 posted on 03/27/2006 10:17:35 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: anotherview

Well it is a mixed bag. But if the red meaters really get their wish (which they won't but whatever), where will they go? I think if I were one of them, somewhere in New Jersey might be just the ticket, with a plan to move maybe to Florida, with the ulimate destination, Beverly Hills. Ya, it is filled with Persian Jews these days, but whatever.


41 posted on 03/27/2006 10:22:34 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie; ScaniaBoy

http://www.pademographics.com/


42 posted on 03/27/2006 10:22:46 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: anotherview
"I absolutely agree with you, and I get villified for it on a daily basis. Most folks already know my vote (Kadima)."

I can't imagine why you are vilified...

Maybe it's because the children of Kadima's leader are draft dodgers and his wife encourages arab terrorists.

Maybe it's because Kadima allowed Hamas to be elected, and doesn't have the balls to move arabs, but are promising to move tens of thousands of Jews and give up half of Jerusalem to Hamas.

Kadima's next step, fund-raising efforts for boats to move the Jews off the beaches. Mazeh "kapo" b'ivrit?

43 posted on 03/27/2006 10:22:53 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

OK, take it all over, and go with the 59% that is no doubt as accurate as the speed of light.


44 posted on 03/27/2006 10:25:12 PM PST by Torie
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To: anotherview

"Ehud Barak adopted it in his waning days in office. His famous fall, 2000 "Us over here, them over there" speech"

I didnt know that - did it already include the idea of doing it without Palestinian cooperation?


45 posted on 03/27/2006 10:30:27 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Torie

---they might just want to be moving along.

Well the US has "open" borders.---

I had more in mind Egypt or Syria somplace.

I'm sure their Muslim brothers will take care of them. :^)


46 posted on 03/27/2006 10:30:40 PM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: Torie
My point is that the "demographic bomb" is-in large part-a chimera.

The Kahanists use in it in order to promote their favored policy, i.e. expulsion of the Arabs that remained in Israel after the War of Independence and the Six Day War.

The Peaceniks and doves use it-much more successfully-as a boogymen to scare Israeli voters into ceding ever-more territory-without any corresponding concessions from the Arabs-lest the Jewish State embrace "Apartheid."

*Gasp*

Arab-Muslims use it in order to intimidate Israel, and make the success of their perpetual jihad seem like a fait accompli.

In other words, all sides distort and exploit statistical data in order to promote their particular political agenda.

47 posted on 03/27/2006 10:30:47 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: furquhart
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.....
48 posted on 03/27/2006 10:31:21 PM PST by marmar (Pray for our Warriors...they are the greatest there are............)
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To: Torie

Ya, the Wall and unilateralism is the only way. However, I doubt Sharon would split Jerusalem without some real payment in kind. The devil is in the details, and I dont know about this Olmert fellow.


49 posted on 03/27/2006 10:36:30 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist

Yes of course. I hope this finds you well.


50 posted on 03/27/2006 10:37:13 PM PST by Torie
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