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Iraqi Documents Are Put on Web, and Search Is On [FR's jveritas makes the news]
NY Times ^ | March 28, 2006 | SCOTT SHANE

Posted on 03/27/2006 10:33:24 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, March 27 — American intelligence agencies and presidential commissions long ago concluded that Saddam Hussein had no unconventional weapons and no substantive ties to Al Qaeda before the 2003 invasion.

But now, an unusual experiment in public access is giving anyone with a computer a chance to play intelligence analyst and second-guess the government.

Under pressure from Congressional Republicans, the director of national intelligence has begun a yearlong process of posting on the Web 48,000 boxes of Arabic-language Iraqi documents captured by American troops.

Less than two weeks into the project, and with only 600 out of possibly a million documents and video and audio files posted, some conservative bloggers are already asserting that the material undermines the official view.

On his blog last week, Ray Robison, a former Army officer from Alabama, quoted a document reporting a supposed scheme to put anthrax into American leaflets dropped in Iraq and declared: "Saddam's W.M.D. and terrorist connections all proven in one document!!!"

--snip--

All the documents, which are available on fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm, have received at least a quick review by Arabic linguists and do not alter the government's official stance, officials say. On some tapes already released, in fact, Mr. Hussein expressed frustration that he did not have unconventional weapons.

--snip--

"I'm trying to pick up documents that shed light on the political debate," said Joseph G. Shahda, 34, a Lebanese-born engineer who lives in a Boston suburb and is spending hours every evening on translations for the conservative Free Republic site. "I think we prematurely concluded there was no W.M.D. and no ties to Al Qaeda."

Mr. Shahda said he was proud he could help make the documents public. "I live in this great country, and it's a time of war," he said. "This is the least I can do."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
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1 posted on 03/27/2006 10:33:24 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

No slant here


2 posted on 03/27/2006 10:34:54 PM PST by woofie
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To: neverdem

My thanks to Joseph G. Shahda


3 posted on 03/27/2006 10:36:26 PM PST by woofie
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To: jveritas

Ahem.


4 posted on 03/27/2006 10:38:17 PM PST by nunya bidness (“Unsung, the noblest deed will die.” - Pindar)
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To: All
From that URL into an open browser, I got Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents
5 posted on 03/27/2006 10:40:22 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

The deck chairs on the N Y Titanic are getting re-arranged again.


6 posted on 03/27/2006 10:46:33 PM PST by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: eyespysomething

PING


7 posted on 03/27/2006 10:55:58 PM PST by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: neverdem
Joseph G. Shahda, 34, a Lebanese-born engineer who lives in a Boston suburb and is spending hours every evening on translations for the conservative Free Republic site.

Thank you Joe!

8 posted on 03/27/2006 11:02:44 PM PST by Drango (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: neverdem; All

Good post. Too bad I can't read Arabic. It says someone on here is translating the material. Any one know the 'name' he's going under on this, so I can look through his posts?


9 posted on 03/27/2006 11:06:07 PM PST by Rick_Michael
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting, neverdem!

"Joseph G. Shahda, 34, a Lebanese-born engineer who lives in a Boston suburb and is spending hours every evening on translations for the conservative Free Republic site."

A great BIG 'thank you' to Joseph!


10 posted on 03/27/2006 11:08:33 PM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Rick_Michael

jveritas


11 posted on 03/27/2006 11:16:19 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: neverdem
But now, an unusual experiment in public access is giving anyone with a computer a chance to play intelligence analyst and second-guess the government.

Could not read past this sentence. Jveritas is doing original translations. That is not second guessing the government.

12 posted on 03/27/2006 11:41:18 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: neverdem

Thanks, Joe.


13 posted on 03/27/2006 11:50:47 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: neverdem
American intelligence agencies and presidential commissions long ago concluded that Saddam Hussein had no unconventional weapons and no substantive ties to Al Qaeda before the 2003 invasion.

What? Should read..."The monolithic fascist press hates GWB so it used anecdotal evidence to try to discredit him by insisting Saddam had no ties to terrorists or NBC weapons."

14 posted on 03/28/2006 12:23:50 AM PST by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: jveritas; Chickenhawk Warmonger
Jveritas on Iraq mass graves/ Sammi on Journal

jveritas is famous!

The Iraq Document Translations

15 posted on 03/28/2006 12:34:01 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

PING


16 posted on 03/28/2006 12:43:13 AM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (Lk21:9 When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place)
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To: jveritas; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; ...
Camp Saddam

Some Marines Declining Extra Body Armor

Our Borders Pose National Security Risk There were a number of good reasons to control immigration before Sep 11, 2001 which were not racist. Travis McGee has a bunch of pics of the border which give some understanding of the border's condition on that thread.

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

17 posted on 03/28/2006 12:46:11 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

The media loves to hide their sources... but they seem to love to expose ours.

I don't like the way this guy's name is being published.


18 posted on 03/28/2006 1:02:12 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: jveritas
I don't post often, but I will say thank you for the service you are providing in translating these documents.

At the same time, I also want you to be careful in exposing yourself so publically as you have. Screen names are fine, but having your identity as exposed as this article has done could leave you in more danger than you might have considered, from foreign or domestic, physically or politically/socially.

A government agency translating and releasing information damaging to the forces aligned against this great nation is different from an individual spearheading the same activity. Be careful and keep up the good work.

19 posted on 03/28/2006 1:20:16 AM PST by CellPhoneSurfer
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To: neverdem

Pretty cool.....


20 posted on 03/28/2006 1:57:28 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: Rick_Michael

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603696/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603039/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1602985/posts


21 posted on 03/28/2006 3:10:50 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." -- Albert Einstein)
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To: neverdem
Mr. Shahda said he was proud he could help make the documents public. "I live in this great country, and it's a time of war," he said. "This is the least I can do."

Don't we wish the liberal trash in this country felt the same way?

What happened that they became so rabidly anti American that I cannot say 'liberal' without saying 'liberal trash?'

Thank you Joe.
22 posted on 03/28/2006 3:11:41 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: justa-hairyape
second guessing

Second guessing? Who's guessing here? Maybe the NYT?

23 posted on 03/28/2006 3:21:01 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: neverdem

The girly-man CIA as been at war against the administration for some time.

Bush knows that they are dragging thier feet on these documents because they don't want to find anything that might support the administration.

So, you could call this document dump: The Empire Leaks Back.


24 posted on 03/28/2006 3:24:02 AM PST by dinasour (Pajamahadeen and member of the Head SnowFlake Committee)
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To: neverdem

Of course, it NEVER occurred to the NYSlimes to start translations of the docs on their own...FReepers, doing the jobs the LameStream Media won't do...


25 posted on 03/28/2006 3:30:12 AM PST by GRRRRR (ACLU, Hitliary and DemonRats are the Enemies of AMERICA and FREEDOM)
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To: eyespysomething; MizSterious

We made the NYT.


26 posted on 03/28/2006 3:32:21 AM PST by Peach
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To: neverdem

US puts Iraqi documents on the Web
Goal is to speed up translation of files
By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff | March 18, 2006

Joseph Shahda of Randolph earns his living as an engineer. But in his spare time, he's an intelligence agent, working to ferret out the truth about the regime of deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

When the US government on Thursday began publishing captured Iraqi government documents on the Internet, Shahda eagerly began to translate the files into English and publish them on a conservative website.

''I feel a sense of duty," said Shahda, a native of Lebanon who supports President Bush's decision to invade Iraq. ''I think it's a duty for people who know Arabic to translate the documents."

Still, conservative bloggers, eager to bolster the case for going to war against Iraq, have long argued for release of the documents. They gained a powerful ally last month in Michigan Republican Pete Hoekstra, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. In an interview with blogger Andrew Marcus, Hoekstra called for Negroponte to release the documents online. ''Unleash the power of the Net," Hoekstra said. ''Let the blogosphere go." Kansas Republican Pat Roberts, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, backed Hoekstra's proposal.

Within hours of the first release of documents, Shahda posted his first translation on the conservative website Free Republic. It was an Iraqi intelligence report of an interview with an Afghan informant that suggests -- but does not prove -- agents of Al Qaeda and the Taliban were active in Iraq before the Sept. 11 attacks.


27 posted on 03/28/2006 3:37:04 AM PST by dennisw (I like Ike)
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To: neverdem

This is a better link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/28/politics/28intel.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


28 posted on 03/28/2006 3:38:11 AM PST by Peach
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To: dennisw

I thought all the intelligence agencies said Sadam had weapons of mass destuction before he didnt have weapons of mass destruction! Which do we believe ? I guess it depends on which day of the week it is when we decide if we believe the intelligence agencies


29 posted on 03/28/2006 3:41:37 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: neverdem
>>>On his blog last week, Ray Robison, a former Army officer from Alabama, quoted a document reporting a supposed scheme to put anthrax into American leaflets dropped in Iraq and declared: "Saddam's W.M.D. and terrorist connections all proven in one document!!!"<<<<

--Instead of a sardonic triple exclamation point, you think the NYT might actually translate the one document itself and report on what it says to the contrary.
30 posted on 03/28/2006 3:48:55 AM PST by Shqipo (2006 is Bush Country!)
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To: neverdem
Joseph G. Shahda, One Great American!
31 posted on 03/28/2006 3:49:59 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: neverdem; jveritas

Thanks for the post, ping, and link and a huge thanks to Joseph G. Shahda!


32 posted on 03/28/2006 3:57:53 AM PST by PGalt
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To: justa-hairyape
All the documents ... have received at least a quick review by Arabic linguists

"Nothing. Nothing. Nope. No. (yawn) Nope. Nope. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. What time is it?"
"3:22."
"(Sigh.) Nothing. Nothing. Nope. Seen it. Seen it. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. No. No. Nothing. Nope. No. Nuh-uh. Nothing. Nothing. Nope. Nothing. What time is it now?"
"Still 3:22."
"(Sigh.)"

33 posted on 03/28/2006 3:57:56 AM PST by shezza (God bless our military heroes)
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To: JudgemAll
I don't like the way this guy's name is being published.

I was wondering just how they *got* his name.

34 posted on 03/28/2006 4:07:01 AM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (Is it OK to steal tag lines from tee-shirts and bumper stickers?)
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To: Peach; jveritas
Boy, the Times really gives a lot of ink to the "there's nothing in all that stuff to be found" argument, and early on in the article, then buries the private translations material at the end. So in their minds, they've reported it "fairly".

From the article:

"There's no quality control," said Michael Scheuer, a former Central Intelligence Agency specialist on terrorism. "You'll have guys out there with a smattering of Arabic drawing all kinds of crazy conclusions. Rush Limbaugh will cherry-pick from the right, and Al Franken will cherry-pick from the left."
jveritas, how do you like being described as having "a smattering of Arabic"?

Saying what I think about the Time here would get me suspended at least.

35 posted on 03/28/2006 4:09:43 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster

Before this is over, the NYT will look like the biased fools they are. Those documents are providing a virtual tsunami of information and the leftists will be exposed as liars.


36 posted on 03/28/2006 4:12:15 AM PST by Peach
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To: GRRRRR; jveritas
On some tapes already released, in fact, Mr. Hussein expressed frustration that he did not have unconventional weapons.

So According to the Great NY Times = When Mr. Hussein says he doesn't have weapons; we must believe him.....

When Mr. Hussein says he has weapons, it's just right wing bloggers and writers; so don't believe him?

And what the h*ll is with the MR? He doesn't deserve the respect.

If I am correct, the only story before today that they reported on was the one in which Hussein says he doesn't have the weapons. And they wonder why we no longer believe in the MSM.

37 posted on 03/28/2006 4:14:11 AM PST by codercpc
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To: neverdem

I had to chuckle when I read the Times story this morning: all sniffy and "How dare they ?"


38 posted on 03/28/2006 4:19:47 AM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: sausageseller; jveritas
Joseph G. Shahda, One Great American!...

Tip of the hat to Mr. Shahda...Bravo.....
39 posted on 03/28/2006 4:20:43 AM PST by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: jveritas
Great job! Thank You.
40 posted on 03/28/2006 4:34:03 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (I'll admit it , I'm a Snow Flake !(Snoq) The rest of my tagline redacted by court order.)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
I was wondering just how they *got* his name.

Well, I'm sure MSM at least lurkes here. Some may even have an account, or recently signed up for one. They could have FReepMailed him and asked for an interview.

After all, someone (Joe public) translating for public consumption, captured arabic language documents from a deposed dictator's government, might be considered newworthy.

41 posted on 03/28/2006 4:36:26 AM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: woofie
My thanks to Joseph G. Shahda

I SECOND THAT

but, i wonder if our site isn't MORE than a conservative news site, as mentioned in the article....sumptin like this site stands for: "truth, justice and 'the American way'"-we've jus gotta get a consensus on 'the American way'....

42 posted on 03/28/2006 4:45:59 AM PST by 1234 (Border Control or IMPEACHMENT NOW)
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To: FreedomPoster
Michael Scheuer = Dan Rather!

Sorry to inform you Mr. Scheuer, but there are some people out there that are smarter, than some the boobs at the CIA.

43 posted on 03/28/2006 4:50:03 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: AFreeBird; jveritas
Well, I'm sure MSM at least lurkes here. Some may even have an account, or recently signed up for one. They could have FReepMailed him and asked for an interview.

I've been wondering too and your reply seems the most plausible. Hey jveritas! Would you tell us how they discovered your real name?

44 posted on 03/28/2006 4:53:40 AM PST by Quilla
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To: neverdem; jveritas

We are blessed.

Thank You

Sincerely


45 posted on 03/28/2006 4:55:10 AM PST by A message
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To: Peach

I seem to recall that the NYTimes spent a huge amount of money to recount the votes in Florida in 2000, so I was wondering why they choose not to spend money on translating some of these 48000 documents themselves.

Then I answered part of my own question. Their balance sheet has been in free fall since 2000, and they are probably squeezing every penny these days.

Just Desserts!

^^^^^

I hope they are not being malicious in revealing jveritas' name.


46 posted on 03/28/2006 4:55:31 AM PST by maica (You are being lied to. By elements in the media determined that Iraq must fail. - Ralph Peters)
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To: neverdem
On some tapes already released, in fact, Mr. Hussein expressed frustration that he did not have unconventional weapons.

Are those the ones the MSM (intentionally?) translated wrong?

47 posted on 03/28/2006 4:59:24 AM PST by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: maica

Aside from the monetary consideration with regard to the translations, the NYT doesn't dare look too closely into the translations because it would expose their lies all these years that there were no ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

Of course, before they decided to politicize this, they mentioned the connections/relationships frequently:

Here's what the New York Times said about the camp six weeks after 9/11:

"New information does suggest that Mr. Hussein was actively training terrorists to attack American interests throughout the 1990's.

"One example is the testimony of Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi army who emigrated to Texas in May after working for eight years at what he described as a terrorist training camp at a bend in the Tigris River just southeast of Baghdad."

According to the Times, Khodada described the camp as "a highly secret installation" where "non-Iraqi Arabs from Persian Gulf countries, including Saudi Arabia" received training in "assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, hijacking of trains, and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism."

In comments unmentioned by the Times but covered by PBS, Khodada said that when he saw the twin towers fall he thought to himself, "This was done by graduates of Salman Pak."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984758/posts


48 posted on 03/28/2006 5:00:58 AM PST by Peach
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To: codercpc
On some tapes already released, in fact, Mr. Hussein expressed frustration that he did not have unconventional weapons.

I can just see him shouting into the flowerpot, "Gosh, it sucks that I don't have any unconventional weapons. Here I am, sitting in my palace, which doesn't have any WMD in the basement, wondering what to do with myself because I DON'T HAVE ANY WMD ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. (muffled giggles) Quiet, Abdul, this is for posterity And if only I weren't being so freaking honest with the oil for food program. I could be a wealthy man today."

49 posted on 03/28/2006 5:03:17 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

bttt


50 posted on 03/28/2006 5:23:09 AM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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