Posted on 03/28/2006 10:56:21 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections (Translation)
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In this document ISGZ-2004-028179 there is a report by the Assistant of the Iraqi Intelligence Director to his boss “The Director” dated January/23/2003 regarding the visit of one German and one Frenchman to Iraq and these two guys talk about their strong relation with the top government officials in both France and Germany. In this letter the German that German Chancellor Schroeder was totally opposed to the idea of the war in Iraq and it his opposition to the possible war that made him win the German elections held in 2002. Also there is an important part of the letter where it mention the visit of German Chancellor to meet with the Chinese Prime minister and that the Chinese PM told Schroeder “about the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did not indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news.” Also in the letter it show the fear of the French to join the war because of the heavy losses that will suffer..
Beginning of the Translation of 4 pages report in document ISGZ-2004-028179
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According to a Free Republic translation of an Iraqi Intelligence document, Chinese Intelligence had picked up information that Iraq had moved their weapons of mass destruction to Syria. The document reveals Chinese Prime Minister Zhu Rongji had held a meeting with German President Gerhard Schroeder and told him "the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did not indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news.”
The trip by Colin Powell to Syria in February 2001 may be what the document is referring to. According to the report, Secretary Powell announced a last minute, unscheduled visit to Syria, saying he was "going to be stopping in Damascus, Syria, to meet with President Bashir Assad" in order to hold talks and "present a report to President Bush as to what we should be doing."
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The report also notes that "in April 2001, Hanning told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that Iraq was developing a new class of chemical weapons, reiterated his alert on Iraq's missile and nuclear programs, and said that several German companies had continued to deliver to Baghdad components needed for the production of poison gas."
Two unanswered questions remain.
1. What led Chinese intelligence to believe that Saddam Hussein may have moved weapons of mass destruction to Syria?
2. Was Schroeder's denial of Iraq moving WMD largely a result of his own knowledge that Iraq still had weapons of mass destruction in their own country?
Posted by C.S. Scott at March 28, 2006 12:44 AM
It is a lot easier than you think. Even a lib can blog. ;-)
ROFL!
My wife started Freeping after she realized I knew all events long before she did.
SARINDAR
It's probably already been pointed out a dozen of times, but in the great tradition of Freepers everywhere I am posting without reading the thread.
How did Iraq find out about this conversation between Germans and Chinese? The Germans told them.
The Germans, like the Russians and French, were double dealing with the Iraqi terrorist-supporting, weapons of mass destruction moving Regime.
Our good friends in the UN security council were up to their eyeballs in it. The beans have spilled and the Germans and French and Russians have been exposed.
Therefore, whatever Schroeder told the Chinese (or the U.S. for that matter) is highly suspect and most likely disinformation to help cover his own tracks.
You might find it interesting to pick up a copy of "The Secret History of The Iraq War" by Yossef Bodansky and go to page 438 (in the hardback version) and read what he wrote in early 2004 about movement of Iraqi WMD to Syria - and Russian involvement in Iraq before and after the war. Page 501 also has some interesting references to WMD.
Given Bodansky's previous key position as Director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, I find it amazing thet the charges contained in his book did not recieve a huge amount of attention of the administration and congress.
Bodansky's book confirms, in February 2004 (date on the introduction to his book), much of what you and others are unconvering the hard way by translating the Iraqi documents.
You might find it interesting to pick up a copy of "The Secret History of The Iraq War" by Yossef Bodansky and go to page 438 (in the hardback version) and read what he wrote in early 2004 about movement of Iraqi WMD to Syria - and Russian involvement in Iraq before and after the war. Page 501 also has some interesting references to WMD.
Given Bodansky's previous key position as Director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, I find it amazing thet the charges contained in his book did not recieve a huge amount of attention of the administration and congress.
Bodansky's book confirms, in February 2004 (date on the introduction to his book), much of what you and others are unconvering the hard way by translating the Iraqi documents.
It'll be Thursday afternoon before I can get away, but I'm toting if that helps.
Does Bodansky refer to the Russian "Sarindar" plan?
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030820-081256-6822r.htm
"The Soviet bloc not only sold Saddam its WMDs, but it showed them how to make them "disappear." Russia is still at it. Primakov was in Baghdad from December until a couple of days before the war, along with a team of Russian military experts led by two of Russia's topnotch "retired"generals: Vladislav Achalov, a former deputy defense minister, and Igor Maltsev, a former air defense chief of staff. They were all there receiving honorary medals from the Iraqi defense minister. They clearly were not there to give Saddam military advice for the upcoming war—Saddam's Katyusha launchers were of World War II vintage, and his T-72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes were all obviously useless against America. 'I did not fly to Baghdad to drink coffee,' was what Gen. Achalov told the media afterward. They were there orchestrating Iraq's "Sarindar" plan."
LOL...
Thanks for ping. I am behind. But have been clicking on the new PreWarDoc URL for updates by jveritas as time permits.
Does this mean you won't be posting the translations directly to the FreeRepublic thread?
I really appreciate all that you have been doing in translating these documents. I have a question though. With all the documents being put out there how do you go about picking the ones to translate?
Thank you very much :)
Thank you my fellow freeper, we need to get the truth out to as many people as possible.
The translation will always be posted on Free Republic first and foremost.
I read all the pdf documents that were posted so far on the Pentagon website. I am translating the documents or portion of it that I find very important in regards to the two majors issues of Iraq WMD and the connection of Saddam regime to AL Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
Bodansky talks about Primakov - mostly in the context of his last minutes to broker some deal to avoid the war. He refers to several hour meeting between Primakov and Saddam trying to get Saddam to accept some elements of peace proposals from Arab states such as Egypt.
Bodansky is Russian and defected (or just left) shortly after the demise of the USSR - I believe he was formerly in Russian Intelligence - either military intelligence or KGB.
August 21, 2003. It's behind one of the pop-up ads but if you hit refresh on the page and watch the upper right corner you can see it.
Do you remember if Bodansky mentions the Sarindar plan by name?
The Chinese also knew that Russia was helping Iraq move them. The Chinese won't say that, though.
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