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'Galileo Was Wrong,' claims geocentrist writer
The Sun Herald ^ | Tue, Mar. 28, 2006 | DRU SEFTON

Posted on 03/28/2006 12:09:01 PM PST by orionblamblam

Bible proves Earth is center of universe, author argues The Earth is at the center of Robert Sungenis' universe. Literally.

Yours too, he says.

Sungenis is a geocentrist. He contends the sun orbits the Earth instead of vice versa. He says physics and the Bible show that the vastness of space revolves around us; that we're at the center of everything, on a planet that does not rotate.

He has just completed a 1,000-page tome, "Galileo Was Wrong," the first in a pair of books he hopes will persuade readers to "give Scripture its due place, and show that science is not all it's cracked up to be."

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For several years the Web site of his Catholic Apologetics International (www.catholicintl.com) offered a $1,000 reward to anyone who could disprove geocentrism and prove heliocentrism (a sun-centered solar system).

There were numerous attempts, Sungenis said, "some serious, some caustic," but no one did it to his satisfaction. "Most admitted it can't be proven." There's also no proof that the Earth rotates, he said. But what about Foucault's famous pendulum? Its plane of oscillation revolves every 24 hours, showing the rotation of the planet. If the Earth didn't rotate, it wouldn't oscillate.

Nope, Sungenis said: There just may be some other force propelling it, such as the pull of stars.

(Excerpt) Read more at sunherald.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bible; brainless; creationism; crevo; crevolist; design; galileo; id; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; kookalert; tinfoilalert
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Just as gay marriage was the foot int he door for polygamy and the dissolution of the meaningful family, "Intelligent Design" will be the foot in the door for the re4st of this anti-science claptrap.

' Or, as Galileo famously quoted 16th century Cardinal Caesar Baronius, "The Bible was written to show us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go." '

1 posted on 03/28/2006 12:09:04 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: KevinDavis; RadioAstronomer

Too funny.


2 posted on 03/28/2006 12:10:10 PM PST by FOG724 (http://nationalgrange.org/legislation/phpBB2/index.php)
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To: orionblamblam

This should be funny, I'll have to download and read his deep scientific(sic) argument.


3 posted on 03/28/2006 12:10:19 PM PST by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: orionblamblam

L O L


4 posted on 03/28/2006 12:10:31 PM PST by Constitution Day (Comicalness Don't Win No Medals)
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To: orionblamblam

Fortunately for him, crazy people are protected in this country.


5 posted on 03/28/2006 12:11:08 PM PST by American Quilter
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To: American Quilter

> Fortunately for him, crazy people are protected in this country.

Unfortunately for us, crazy people get to vote in this country.


6 posted on 03/28/2006 12:12:01 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: orionblamblam
Go here!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............

http://www.echoesofenoch.com/hollowearth.htm

The Earth is hollow!!!!!!!!!!!

I read it on the Internet therefore it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bible says so too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........

Isa 40:22 "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

.......and we all know that the Bible is the literal Word of God!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets all get together and get this into our Godless Public School System as a viable alternative to what the Godless Geologists profess!!!!!!!!

Who's with me?

And now a word from the illustrious founder of the Hollow Earth Society:

7 posted on 03/28/2006 12:12:41 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: orionblamblam

Of course it could be a satire, like FSM and ID.


8 posted on 03/28/2006 12:14:18 PM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: DoctorMichael

I think some of those people are Freepers.


9 posted on 03/28/2006 12:15:07 PM PST by Flightdeck (Longhorns+January=Rose Bowl Repeat)
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To: PatrickHenry

I wonder what this guy's FR screen name is?


10 posted on 03/28/2006 12:15:35 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: DoctorMichael
Voyage to Our Hollow Earth - 24 Day Trip
11 posted on 03/28/2006 12:16:10 PM PST by Constitution Day (Comicalness Don't Win No Medals)
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To: orionblamblam

Unfortunately for us, crazy people are present on FreeRepublic and continually post Creationist/ID Threads.


12 posted on 03/28/2006 12:16:23 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DoctorMichael

That verse does not say that the earth is hollow.


13 posted on 03/28/2006 12:17:38 PM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: orionblamblam
If this dude wants to work out the mechanics of the solar system (or even the Earth-Luna system) in a truly geocentric frame of reference, he's welcome to do it. It's not impossible ... relativistic or classical mechanics certainly allow for it.

But it's a whole lot easier if you drop you frame of reference on the center of mass of whatever you're trying to model.

14 posted on 03/28/2006 12:17:50 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: orionblamblam
Let's be fair. Put him in a rocket and shoot him at the Sun, so's he can find the truth. It's out there.
15 posted on 03/28/2006 12:18:05 PM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

Author soon to be announced as a featured contributor to EconomyInCrisis.org.


16 posted on 03/28/2006 12:18:18 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: js1138

Sungenis is a brilliant man in some respects, but he has turned himself into a laughing stock in this respect.

I liked him when he was a mainstream Catholic apologist in his EWTN days, but this makes everything else he believes in seem silly even if he makes good points about undisputed core Catholic teachings.


17 posted on 03/28/2006 12:18:19 PM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: orionblamblam
There's also no proof that the Earth rotates,

Tell that to people who have to align inertial navigation systems. They actually depend on the earth's rotation to find North and East.

18 posted on 03/28/2006 12:18:26 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: orionblamblam
Meanwhile, Sungenis wants to make sure "people don't classify geocentrists with Flat Earthers. We don't believe that at all."

Ahh, come on, Sungenis, if you're gonna be a kook, why not go for the whole enchilada?

19 posted on 03/28/2006 12:19:23 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: orionblamblam
He says physics and the Bible show that the vastness of space revolves around us; that we're at the center of everything, on a planet that does not rotate.

Interesting theory, but imprecise. "We're" not at the center of everything. I am at the center of everything. I call it my Karlcentric theory absolute truth.

Do you feel dizzy? If so, that's because I just made the whole universe spin around me and my chair seat. Weeeee!

20 posted on 03/28/2006 12:20:40 PM PST by KarlInOhio (If you have a leaking pipe, you shut off the water valve before deciding on amnesty for the puddles.)
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To: orionblamblam
Intelligent Design" will be the foot in the door for the re4st of this anti-science claptrap.

This has nothing to do with Intelligent design. And neither do the flat-earthers or other nuts, for that matter.

Also, the bible does not suggest this. It was Aristotle, who's teachings the Catholic Church intertwined with its doctrines.

21 posted on 03/28/2006 12:21:14 PM PST by D Rider
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To: pravknight

A high IQ is not incompatible with being stupid.


22 posted on 03/28/2006 12:21:21 PM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: SlowBoat407
No they are depending on the same force that makes Foucault's pendulum precess.

GodDidIt cannot be disproved because by definition God can do anything.

23 posted on 03/28/2006 12:23:08 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: D Rider

Don't throw the cold water of facts on everyone's parade. They're having too much fun.


24 posted on 03/28/2006 12:23:45 PM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: Skooz

Apparently you haven't delved into the Echoes of Enoch!


25 posted on 03/28/2006 12:23:56 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; ears_to_hear; Dr. Eckleburg; vladimir998
For several years the Web site of his Catholic Apologetics International (www.catholicintl.com) offered a $1,000 reward to anyone who could disprove geocentrism and prove heliocentrism (a sun-centered solar system).

This website was the source of the slanderous allegations posted against John Calvin recently.

26 posted on 03/28/2006 12:23:56 PM PST by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: KarlInOhio
Hah!

Q: How many sorority girls does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: One. She grabs hold of it, and the universe revolves around her.

27 posted on 03/28/2006 12:24:27 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DoctorMichael

Not lately.

I am due for a road trip, though.


28 posted on 03/28/2006 12:24:53 PM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: orionblamblam

Uffda! 1000 pages of nonsense!

You've gotta just love the 1st Amendment.

I'm sure this guy'll be on Coast to Coast AM this weekend, with Ian Punnet.


29 posted on 03/28/2006 12:24:53 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: orionblamblam

The Earth may revolve around the Sun, but it sure doesn't look that way.

How does he feel about Evolution?


30 posted on 03/28/2006 12:25:28 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: KarlInOhio
Do you feel dizzy? If so, that's because I just made the whole universe spin around me and my chair seat. Weeeee!

Please stop! I just ate lunch.

31 posted on 03/28/2006 12:26:06 PM PST by confederacy of dunces (Workin' & lurkin')
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To: orionblamblam
Sungenis said: There just may be some other force propelling it, such as the pull of stars.

By someone of the same ilk that would discount the influence of the planets in astrology...

32 posted on 03/28/2006 12:26:16 PM PST by mikrofon (Astrology *is* real, right? ;)
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To: DeFault User
Ahh, come on, Sungenis, if you're gonna be a kook, why not go for the whole enchilada?

Yep your great great great great great great great ... grandmother was a monkey!

Or how about Global Warming?

33 posted on 03/28/2006 12:27:21 PM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Dinsdale

Beg to differ. Inertial navigation systems start with accelerometers, which are sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation as a rate of change in linear motion.


34 posted on 03/28/2006 12:27:45 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Skooz
".........I am due for a road trip, though........"

Cool! Can we go by way of the Pleiades?

35 posted on 03/28/2006 12:27:45 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DoctorMichael

Only if I get to choose the tunes.


36 posted on 03/28/2006 12:29:06 PM PST by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: js1138

I liked his books refuting the Protestant doctrines of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide. They were written before he adopted this lunacy, at least publicly.


37 posted on 03/28/2006 12:29:43 PM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: SlowBoat407

It does not rotate, it spins. We know this due to the flat earth society... 8-)


38 posted on 03/28/2006 12:29:57 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: pravknight

Is he by any chance related to Pab?


39 posted on 03/28/2006 12:30:04 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: D Rider

> This has nothing to do with Intelligent design.

An anti-science belief system based on religious belief, in response to settled science: quick, which is it? ID? Geocentrism? Democratic party policy?


40 posted on 03/28/2006 12:30:29 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: SlowBoat407
which are sensitive enough to detect the earth's rotation as a rate of change in linear motion.

What do you think Foucault's Pendulum is detecting? It's just a mechanical integrator of change in linear motion.

41 posted on 03/28/2006 12:30:32 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: Calvin Locke

????


42 posted on 03/28/2006 12:31:07 PM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: edcoil
It does not rotate, it spins.

James Carville spins. The earth rotates. :^P

43 posted on 03/28/2006 12:31:24 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: orionblamblam

I don't know whether the Earth is at the center of the Universe or not. But i do know that the Earth is rotating. Try flying west or east and note the effect on daylight.


44 posted on 03/28/2006 12:32:14 PM PST by Elpasser
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To: Skooz

I'm partial to 'Highway Star' by Deep Purple.

45 posted on 03/28/2006 12:33:46 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Mikey_1962

"How does he feel about Evolution?"

Heck, how does he feel about the Mars Rovers?

And the pictures of "sun/earth eclipse" taken from the voyagers as they sped out of the solar system?


46 posted on 03/28/2006 12:34:36 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Dinsdale

So either God is manipulating every Foucault Pendulum and accelerometer in the world individually, or there is one simple motion that explains the response of every one of these devices. I vote for the simpler answer. God has better things to do than mess with our heads.


47 posted on 03/28/2006 12:35:20 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: orionblamblam

This fellow would be right at home here amongst the anti-Es. He even uses the same language - demanding that scientists PROOOOOVE that the Earth rotates.


48 posted on 03/28/2006 12:36:02 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: orionblamblam

In a sense, the guy could be right. Movement through space-time is all relative, as Einstein pointed out. Okay, so say the earth stands still and the entire universe moves around it. Depending on your frame of reference, that could be a useful model. We often use it for astronomical charts. It's kind of like saying I didn't drive to the liquor store today, the whole universe moved and I stayed still. Egotistical, sure, but invalid, not from a scientific standpoint.


49 posted on 03/28/2006 12:36:14 PM PST by Saint Reagan
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To: orionblamblam
But what about Foucault's famous pendulum? Its plane of oscillation revolves every 24 hours

I haven't been able to oscillate in a 24 hour period since my last marriage.

50 posted on 03/28/2006 12:36:23 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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