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Germans are most intelligent Europeans
The Daily Times ^ | Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Posted on 03/28/2006 12:55:33 PM PST by mark502inf

LONDON: Germans are the most intelligent people in Europe, well ahead of the British (in eighth place) and the French (15th), according to a new study by Northern Ireland’s University of Ulster, The Times reported Monday. With an average intelligence quotient (IQ) of 107, a scintilla of brainpower above the Dutch who also scored 107, the Polish (106), the Swedish (104) and the Italians (102). They all came out better in the intelligence stakes than the British who rated an even 100 IQ according to the study, ahead of the Spanish (98) and the French (94) who could only comfort themselves by checking the study results for Bulgarians, Romanians, the Turkish and Serbians who languished at the bottom of the table on 89. Professor Richard Lynn, who headed the study, caused controversy last year by claiming that men were more intelligent than women by about five IQ points on average. He said of his latest findings that populations in the colder, more challenging environments of Northern Europe had developed larger brains than those in warmer climates further south. The average brain size in Northern and Central Europe is 1,320cc and in southeast Europe it is 1,312cc, according to his studies. AFP


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bigbrains; europe; hoopielite; ihoppy; iq; littlebrains; pancakeboy
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Being a man and of northern European Dutch descent, I find this study very persuasive.
1 posted on 03/28/2006 12:55:35 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

Being a woman and of English and German descent, I find it relatively persuasive as well. LOL


2 posted on 03/28/2006 12:56:35 PM PST by Peach
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To: mark502inf

Is that like being the best hockey player in Equador?


3 posted on 03/28/2006 12:56:53 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1
"Germans smartest europeans..."

All the rest of the europeans go "glurp..glurp"

Credit to B. Cosby.

4 posted on 03/28/2006 12:58:28 PM PST by toros
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To: mark502inf

With the highest unemployment.


5 posted on 03/28/2006 12:58:48 PM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: mark502inf
How did they fair in the Common Sense test?
6 posted on 03/28/2006 12:59:41 PM PST by Horatio Gates (Islam is an exercise in fatality.)
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To: mark502inf
Being a Frenchie, I don't know what persuasive means.

Just kidding ... all my ancestry comes from the UK (Scotland and England, mostly) but my family has been American so long where they started doesn't even matter anymore.

7 posted on 03/28/2006 1:00:07 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Peach

And being English, French, Irish, German, Scot, Spanish, Welsh, Ojibwa and a dash of African (each of my 8 great grandparents were of different ethnicities)- I don't know what to think!


8 posted on 03/28/2006 1:00:17 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: mark502inf

Being that some of my ancestors came from Germany, I'd have to agree..........


9 posted on 03/28/2006 1:00:28 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.)
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To: Tokra

Well at least you didn't claim your great great grandmother was a Cherokee Indian princess..........


10 posted on 03/28/2006 1:01:20 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.)
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To: mark502inf
See also:

Germans are brainiest (but at least we're smarter than the French)
Posted on 03/27/2006 3:53:04 PM PST by Neville72


Germans are brainiest - but at least we're smarter than the French (London Times)
Posted on 03/27/2006 1:35:38 AM PST by wolf78

11 posted on 03/28/2006 1:02:23 PM PST by george wythe
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To: mark502inf

Being an American and therefore a descendent of the best, the brightest and the bravest that all of the European cultures had to offer, I say...who cares? I'm an American.


12 posted on 03/28/2006 1:03:32 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: MNJohnnie

Euro-IQ alert ping


13 posted on 03/28/2006 1:04:03 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: mark502inf

Oh great, let's get the Germans going again on how their superior to everyone else. That's all we need now.


14 posted on 03/28/2006 1:04:14 PM PST by mikey565 (Let upstate NY secede from NY)
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To: Horatio Gates

I was waiting for the final sentence, " But all scored much higher than Americans. Proving the superiority of the European system."


15 posted on 03/28/2006 1:04:56 PM PST by Holicheese (Hey whitey, wheres your hat?)
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To: mark502inf
He said of his latest findings that populations in the colder, more challenging environments of Northern Europe had developed larger brains than those in warmer climates further south.

Maybe. But I remember reading that in recent years northern Europeans have been getting taller much faster than Americans. (The latter might even be getting shorter.) These could be due to a lot of causes - the distribution of health resources, family structure (in the IQ case, which might lead to different investments in IQ formation), and many other things. To reflexively attribute it to evolution and genes (without even knowing the genes in question) is sort of weak, it seems to me.

16 posted on 03/28/2006 1:06:29 PM PST by untenured
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To: mark502inf
He said of his latest findings that populations in the colder, more challenging environments of Northern Europe had developed larger brains

All that extra brain capacity developed over the millenia so they could eventually buy a two week timeshare on the Costa del Sol for mid-winter holiday. Down where the less intelligent folk live.

17 posted on 03/28/2006 1:06:47 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: mark502inf
Being a native of our northern most New England state, how can I argue with that,,,,,,especially after living in California for 10 years - the comparison bears this study out ;o)
18 posted on 03/28/2006 1:07:23 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: Holicheese

they must be the smartest. After all, they strongly believe that their socialist Government is always right and righteous.


19 posted on 03/28/2006 1:07:58 PM PST by americanbychoice2
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Well at least you didn't claim your great great grandmother was a Cherokee Indian princess..........

You mean like the folks who believe in reincarnation? They were always Egyptian High Priests or Babylonian Princes - they never seemed to be basket weavers or shopkeepers.

20 posted on 03/28/2006 1:08:03 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: mark502inf

Does that have anything to do with the women not shaving under their arms??? Just curious. . .


21 posted on 03/28/2006 1:08:29 PM PST by RatRipper
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To: mark502inf

I find it really humorous (and at the same time sad) that Germans are the smartest Europeans.

It's like admitting that the French (with their Jerry Lewis fetish) have the best sense of humor!

All the best and brightest of Europe settled in the US decades ago!


22 posted on 03/28/2006 1:08:59 PM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Holicheese

LOL...I figured that was a given


23 posted on 03/28/2006 1:10:11 PM PST by Horatio Gates (Islam is an exercise in fatality.)
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To: mikey565

Ve have Vays of making you smart......


24 posted on 03/28/2006 1:10:29 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: Tokra

No, more like the folks here in The South that claim they are from genuine Cherokee Indian stock removed by at least two generations. No one ever claims to be Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek or any other tribe. Just Cherokee...........


25 posted on 03/28/2006 1:11:22 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.)
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To: RatRipper

....or legs........


26 posted on 03/28/2006 1:11:57 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.)
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To: Red Badger
Well at least you didn't claim your great great grandmother was a Cherokee Indian princess ...

Interesting ... I've met more people over the years that claim a Cherokee resides somewhere in the family woodpile than any other native Americans.
Cherokee's must have been very busy ...

27 posted on 03/28/2006 1:13:15 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: mark502inf
Well of course the Irish would say the Germans are the smartest and deride the Brits - ever since the de Valera government refused to go to war against the Germans... yadda yadda yadda.

What - like this isn't how these discussions are supposed to go?

Besides, so what if it takes me a whole 14.28 cc's of brain to think up one IQ point - damn German efficiency anyway!

= )

28 posted on 03/28/2006 1:13:20 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: BluH2o

....or very good at hiding in woodpiles........


29 posted on 03/28/2006 1:15:17 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.)
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To: mark502inf

Yep, and we've beat their butts twice in two major wars...


30 posted on 03/28/2006 1:17:19 PM PST by brushcop (Mission Accomplished B-Co, 2/69 3d ID! God bless you and WELCOME HOME!)
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To: mark502inf

Hmmm. The professor found the Dutch and Germans both to register 107, and decided that the Germans, not the Dutch, are the smartest.

Hmmm. Northern Europeans are smarter because of the cold weather. That is, no doubt, why frigid Italy is ahead of all of the Scandinavian countries and the UK in this study, but balmy Russia is below them all.

Hmmm. The most intelligent win the wars. So THAT'S why Germany and Austria won World War I and II. I always wondered about that.

But I guess that such higher concepts are beyond the reach of us French peabrains.


31 posted on 03/28/2006 1:18:05 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: untenured
Better nutrition has a lot to do with that. Americans with northern European ancestry are taller than people in the old country. Being of scandinavian descent my family is just genetically "tall" though; I'm 6'-8", my dad is 6'-10", and my cousins vary between 6'-4"-6'-6". And my great grand father from Sweden was 7ft tall with bright red hair lol! go figure.
32 posted on 03/28/2006 1:18:50 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: mark502inf

I vould haf to see zee papers on zis stoody before I can agree vis it. Papers please? PAPERS!

:)


33 posted on 03/28/2006 1:20:24 PM PST by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: mark502inf

I trace my lineage back to the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz so I'm not sure what to think.


34 posted on 03/28/2006 1:21:07 PM PST by Juan Medén
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To: Peach

As a man of English and German descent, I find this completely irrelevant and useless.


35 posted on 03/28/2006 1:21:21 PM PST by subterfuge ("The GATOR boys are HOT right now."---Joakim Noah)
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To: mark502inf
They are the master race after all. /sarc

Glad to see Italy above Britain, though. That ought to get some knickers in a twist.
36 posted on 03/28/2006 1:22:54 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: mark502inf

I guess it just goes to show that intelligence ain't everything.


37 posted on 03/28/2006 1:25:50 PM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: SittinYonder

...the French (94)...

Zut Alors!


38 posted on 03/28/2006 1:26:07 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: mark502inf
Well, I will say one thing for the German schools, if I am remembering this right . . . When I was stationed in Germany 4 times for a total of 10 years, I was told at some point, like 10th, 11th or 12th grade, some type of testing system identified those students most likely to advance and do better in college. There is an apprenticeship program that takes those students who are deemed not to be on path for higher schooling, and starts directing them into the trades, in order to get some type of training, to be able to make a living, I.E., carpenter, painters, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, etc. I think I am remembering that correctly. Seems, maybe we should do that here. If at say 10th grade a student is just dead bent to quit school or linger and do much of nothing, why not point them towards the trades. Then at least they can maybe learn some type of real marketable skill to sell to an employer. There will always be jobs for those in the trades.
39 posted on 03/28/2006 1:27:29 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Democrats: The communist, socialist, and Al Qaeda loving party of America.)
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40 posted on 03/28/2006 1:31:09 PM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: Red Badger
My Great-Grandfather was Choctaw. There someone claimed it. I am also partially German and couldnt agree more with the results. I also found this study which just backs up this study(notice the french are dead last):
41 posted on 03/28/2006 1:33:03 PM PST by aft_lizard (....)
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To: mark502inf

Poles also toppled firt domino to end the Soviet Union. Brains and balls.


42 posted on 03/28/2006 1:33:30 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: RetiredArmy

Can the dimwits who arent deemed worthy for college still choose to go if they wish it?


43 posted on 03/28/2006 1:35:29 PM PST by aft_lizard (....)
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To: mikey565

Germans/Austrians are superior to everyone else :o)


44 posted on 03/28/2006 1:36:10 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: untenured

"northern Europeans have been getting taller much faster than Americans. (The latter might even be getting shorter.) These could be due to a lot of causes - "

The "average American" is getting shorter due to the large influx of non-European immigrants (not that there's anything wrong with that).


45 posted on 03/28/2006 1:36:30 PM PST by rfp1234 (I've had it up to my keyster with these leaks!!! - - - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tokra
And being English, French, Irish, German, Scot, Spanish, Welsh, Ojibwa and a dash of African (each of my 8 great grandparents were of different ethnicities)- I don't know what to think!

God Bless the USA? A real American Mongrel you are. And proud of it too I'd imagine.

46 posted on 03/28/2006 1:38:32 PM PST by El Gato
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To: aft_lizard

I'm sure they could if they could gain college entry. But, the same thing happens here. If you don't have the grades, you are not getting into a college anyway with a 1.01 GPA.


47 posted on 03/28/2006 1:39:13 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Democrats: The communist, socialist, and Al Qaeda loving party of America.)
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To: Red Badger

"Well at least you didn't claim your great great grandmother was a Cherokee Indian princess".



Actually, 2 of mine were!


48 posted on 03/28/2006 1:40:02 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: aft_lizard

I am much more inclined to believe someone who claims any other tribe beside Cherokee as their ancestor's tribe. If there were as many Cherokees back then as there are now, then the Trail of Tears would have been all white people..........


49 posted on 03/28/2006 1:40:04 PM PST by Red Badger (I must not fear.)
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To: mark502inf
Horseshyt and charlatanism.... anthropology sociology etc..... junk science.

What this study DOES show is the limited value of IQ testing and also the utter stupidity of the researcher.
50 posted on 03/28/2006 1:40:53 PM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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