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France - CNN compares French protests to Tiananmen Square uprising
Agence France-Presse ^ | March 28, 2006

Posted on 03/28/2006 6:38:40 PM PST by HAL9000

French protests 'Tiananmen'

Washington - United States television networks on Tuesday carried widespread coverage of demonstrations in France against a controversial new youth labour law, with CNN comparing the unrest to the Tiananmen Square uprising.

Several news networks, including CNN and Fox News, cut away from a live broadcast of a news conference with US secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld to show images of French riot police using water cannons to disperse demonstrators in Paris.

CNN anchor Kyra Phillips said that images of protesters defiantly standing in front of the water cannons brought back memories of pro-democracy activists who stood in front of tanks during the 1989 pro-democracy rallies in Tiananmen Square.

"We're going to continue to follow the Pentagon briefing, but we just can't ignore these live pictures coming out of France right now," Phillips told viewers.

"Sort of brings back memories of Tiananmen Square, when you saw these activists in front of tanks."

She added that the demonstrations could be the biggest protests "in modern French history".

News channels commented on the "incredible restraint" shown by French riot police during the demonstrations, given the force's ruthless reputation.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; cnn; france; protests; tiananmen; tiananmensquare
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1 posted on 03/28/2006 6:38:45 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Oh, brother.


2 posted on 03/28/2006 6:40:07 PM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: HAL9000

Those leftist morons should be glad it's just a water cannon.


3 posted on 03/28/2006 6:41:27 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: HAL9000
CNN anchor Kyra Phillips said that images of protesters defiantly standing in front of the water cannons...

Gosh, Kyra. I was thinking of the Warsaw Uprising myself...
4 posted on 03/28/2006 6:42:22 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: HAL9000

Except the commies are protesting the socialists this time.


5 posted on 03/28/2006 6:43:02 PM PST by pissant
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To: HAL9000

I thought it was more like an NFL city celebrating after winning the Super Bowl. A bunch of idiots breathing good air, having nothing constructive to offer humanity, and nothing else to do.


6 posted on 03/28/2006 6:43:42 PM PST by right right
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To: Farmer Dean

Exactly! If I remember correctly the news cameras were expelled from Tianammen Square so the Chi Coms could use their tanks to turn their citizens that were protesting into ground beef.


7 posted on 03/28/2006 6:44:08 PM PST by takeemout (God Bless Jesse Helms!)
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To: HAL9000
whaaa?
Students facing down tanks and building a liberty statue is a little different than spoiled immigrants trying to force the government to give them jobs for life.
The Chinese students wanted to work and live in a capitalist democracy while the french want to work in a socialist country and be coddled.
8 posted on 03/28/2006 6:44:31 PM PST by newnhdad (All your government branches are belong to us!! not for long if this cr@p keeps up.)
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To: HAL9000

I doubt they were asserting any moral equivalence between the two protests. Rather that the number of people, the simmering resentment, the anger is similar.


9 posted on 03/28/2006 6:44:43 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: HAL9000

You MUST be kidding me!


10 posted on 03/28/2006 6:44:46 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: HAL9000

The Chinese Red Cross estimated 2600 dead in Tiananmen Square. CNN finds this comparable to a bunch of brats worried about the possibility of being fired for non-performance on their first jobs. The comparison is obscene.


11 posted on 03/28/2006 6:46:01 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: pissant
Except the commies are protesting the socialists this time.

ROFLOL! That's right, nobody's demanding civil rights in these protests ... they are demanding bigger government, more nanny state.

I am too incompetent and my IQ is too low for me to take care of myself. To prove it I will protest for more government.

12 posted on 03/28/2006 6:46:08 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: HAL9000

No way!


13 posted on 03/28/2006 6:47:20 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: HAL9000

Remember Carol Lin in a maximum PC effort to avoid calling the rioting French youths Muslims, called them "African Americans" instead.


14 posted on 03/28/2006 6:47:53 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: HAL9000

I seem to recall the Chinese government forcing CNN to shut down their live coverage. Does Kyra Phillips remember that?


15 posted on 03/28/2006 6:48:34 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

Imbeciles.
Police using water cannons does not equal Red Guards with tanks and machine guns.
Students protesting an unpopular law and a moribund Prime Ministry does not equate to students facing the Communist Party of China.
How did these reporters obtain their journalism degrees?


16 posted on 03/28/2006 6:48:49 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: HAL9000

Truly one of the most imbecilic analogies of our time.


17 posted on 03/28/2006 6:49:09 PM PST by Shqipo (2006 is Bush Country!)
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To: Vicomte13

"How did these reporters obtain their journalism degrees?"

for many of them, on their knees or with their legs in the air.


18 posted on 03/28/2006 6:51:22 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: HAL9000
What exactly are these deux-mille sixardes protesting?

That if you don't produce, you can lose your job?

That water is wet?

19 posted on 03/28/2006 6:51:56 PM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: HAL9000

So, the CNN infobabe equates spoiled frog cowards demanding money for not working, to victims of Communism risking their lives to live in freedom? Only in CNN's bizzarro world, I guess....


20 posted on 03/28/2006 6:52:23 PM PST by clintonh8r (If you don't support the mission you don't support the troops. Period.)
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21 posted on 03/28/2006 6:53:12 PM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: HAL9000

The Tiananmen protestors were correctly protesting the fact that they were living in a country with no democracy. Many were killed by the Chinese Army. They're still living in a country with no democracy. The French are protesting a law that allows employers to fire them.

These TV "reporters" have no sense of history.


22 posted on 03/28/2006 6:55:38 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: HAL9000

When I see a tank run over a frog on Fox tomorrow morning I will believe this.


23 posted on 03/28/2006 6:55:47 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Zack Nguyen
I doubt they were asserting any moral equivalence between the two protests. Rather that the number of people, the simmering resentment, the anger is similar.

I think you are correct. I think AFP was stretching to make a story out of the reasonable, but superficial musings, of anchors who had lots of pictures that needed some casual commentary. This is a non-story (which is to criticize AFP, not the posting of it here, which was interesting).

24 posted on 03/28/2006 6:56:40 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: HAL9000

The absolute stupidity of those in our media is breathtaking.


25 posted on 03/28/2006 6:59:20 PM PST by OldFriend (AMERICA WOULD NOT BE THE LAND OF THE FREE IF IT WERE NOT ALSO THE HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: satchmodog9
Interesting show of solidarity:


26 posted on 03/28/2006 7:00:26 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: HAL9000
"CNN anchor Kyra Phillips said that images of protesters defiantly standing in front of the water cannons brought back memories of pro-democracy activists who stood in front of tanks during the 1989 pro-democracy rallies in Tiananmen Square."

This ...


Plus this ...


Equaled this ...


Hardly the stuff of water cannons!
27 posted on 03/28/2006 7:10:07 PM PST by George - the Other (400,000 bodies in Saddam's Mass Graves, and counting ...)
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To: Jim Noble

"What exactly are these deux-mille sixardes protesting?"

They are protesting that the government has changed the terms of the social contract in a way which is disfavorable to them.


28 posted on 03/28/2006 7:12:06 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
How did these reporters obtain their journalism degrees?

Planting tulips...

29 posted on 03/28/2006 7:12:49 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: HAL9000

Anyway, a solution is in sight.
The Conseil Constitutionnel (France's constitutional court) may well require the return of the law to Parliament for changes, which will allow it to be temporarily withdrawn, giving Villepin a face-saving way out of the crisis.

Of course, Villepin could simply ignore the ruling of the CC, or Chirac could direct him to ignore it, and insist on the law. That would exacerbate the situation and set them up for a dramatic climb-down.


30 posted on 03/28/2006 7:24:16 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: HAL9000
Turn about fair play, I compare CNN to a piece of $hit.
31 posted on 03/28/2006 7:40:00 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: HAL9000

Well, water, to the average Frenchman, COULD be considered lethal!


32 posted on 03/28/2006 7:54:07 PM PST by Sterm26 (Death before Dhimmitude!)
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To: HAL9000
Oh, sure, the Chinese protestors wanted freedom, freedom from communism. And the French protesters want... freedom to be employed for life without having to actually work, at least not really hard, they want the socialists in charge to continue to pay them and guarantee! them jobs and pamper them, and they demand it now! Yeah, it's the same alright. (painful eyerolling and extreme sarcasm)
33 posted on 03/28/2006 7:56:06 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: HAL9000

.......


34 posted on 03/28/2006 7:56:45 PM PST by KoRn
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To: HAL9000
"Sort of brings back memories of Tiananmen Square, when you saw these activists in front of tanks."

This is vomitous, they should be ashamed.

35 posted on 03/28/2006 7:57:01 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: HAL9000

36 posted on 03/28/2006 7:58:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: HAL9000

Well, I can only say get some popcorn and wait for the fun


37 posted on 03/28/2006 8:07:19 PM PST by Wiz
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To: HAL9000

Oh, yeah, real cannon in China vs Water cannon in France. Yes indeed a great analogy!/sar. These people are not to be believed. The lazy french students who never want to be fired from their jobs no matter how poorly they do them compared to oppressed Chinese students trying to win a little freedom to speak their minds and being killed for it. Liberals are indeed mentally ill.


38 posted on 03/28/2006 8:17:40 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
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To: HAL9000

Good ol' CNN. You can always count on them to get it totally, insultingly wrong.


39 posted on 03/28/2006 8:19:18 PM PST by hershey
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To: HAL9000
And I compare the Communist News Network's disinformedia machine which promulgates DNC talking points day after day as they watch their circulation die to Jim Jones passing out the Kool-Aid to all his believers who drank it willingly.

Bottoms up!
40 posted on 03/28/2006 8:26:19 PM PST by TheForceOfOne (El Chupacabra spotted near U.S./Mexican border feeding on illegal immigrants.)
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To: HAL9000

We need one of those "caption this photo" threads that other people start.

41 posted on 03/28/2006 8:28:18 PM PST by aculeus (Pinch Sulzberger is the Inspector Clouseau of newspaper publishing.)
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To: HAL9000
Hey France! How does it feel to have CNN lying about you???
42 posted on 03/28/2006 8:52:05 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: HAL9000

What is this CNN of which you speak?


43 posted on 03/28/2006 8:57:23 PM PST by jgilbert63
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To: HAL9000
News channels commented on the "incredible restraint" shown by French riot police during the demonstrations, given the force's ruthless reputation.

Oh God, yes.....especially coming on the heels of their ruthless clamp down on the Muslims burning everything in sight a few months ago.

It's amazing the French riot police didn't break out the semi-auto feathers and go tiddlywinks on some protester ass.

44 posted on 03/28/2006 9:03:23 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Billthedrill

CNN was one of the few media organization that was in Beijing at the time of the 1989 Tiananmen protests. It certainly has more perspective to make the comparison than any of the other MSM.


45 posted on 03/28/2006 9:15:09 PM PST by buglemanster
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To: buglemanster

It is a false comparison no matter what their antecedents. Yes, or no?


46 posted on 03/28/2006 9:19:19 PM PST by Billthedrill
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A Frenchman facing down a water gun is the equivalent of any other man facing down a tank. Think of the risk these poor, young, jobless French are taking. It's so like Tienamen square.

The bravado of these youngsters makes them so worthy of not being an "at-will" employee. They deserve a permanent job, this one act of organized defiance is alone worth a lifetime of work from a red stater.

I could fill in when the regular CNN writer is out sick nursing a Bush-over.
47 posted on 03/28/2006 9:26:30 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: HAL9000

A cruel irony has set upon upon France, and here too.

48 posted on 03/28/2006 9:28:21 PM PST by quantim (A gullible public is the best friend of a weak politician.)
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To: Billthedrill

Chinese police during Tiananmen didn't have rubber bullets and riot preparation. The Chinese government waited out from early Feb until June 4 before finally calling in the troops. During that time the protests grew bigger and bigger, and even lowlife scums joined in the protests. Petty (mugging, theft) and violent (rape, assault) crime started occurring within the protests as it dragged on.

The Chinese government was stupid, and it panicked. It absolutely did the wrong thing. However, today these riots in China are countered with exactly the same tactics the French are using: water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas. So had water cannons and rubber bullets been available in 1989, it's likely that they would've been used instead of live rounds and military force. The Tiananmen massacre hurt the Chinese government a lot in terms of popular support. It was completely avoidable.

Sometimes a Yes or No answer is unnecessary. The comparison of Tiananmen with the French protests certainly has some similarities. Of course the differences are starking also. Yet it's not a far stretch to imagine the French doing something horrifying either if the protests lasted for several months and were dozens of millions strong scattered across the country.


49 posted on 03/28/2006 9:35:40 PM PST by buglemanster
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To: Billthedrill

If the French protests were to go on uncontrolled for 4 months. It would be nearly impossible for an unarmed civilian police to subdue it. The only people who are armed in China are the military, not the civilian police force.

The Tiananmen protests started out being a Leftist demonstration (better healthcare, lower education tuition, etc) that eventually morphed itself into a pro-Democracy democracy.

In other words, comparisons of the French protests with the Tiananmen protests (at least in the early months) have a certain degree of merit. Of course the French protests will be quelled before it gets big and political, nipped in the bud.

BTW, I was in Tiananmen in 1989. I'm not talking out of my arse.


50 posted on 03/28/2006 9:45:51 PM PST by buglemanster
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