Boehner hints a back down on 'amnesty'

The Washington Times ^ | March 29, 2006 | Charles hurt

[surely_you_jest]

House Majority Leader John A. Boehner refused yesterday to rule out compromising with the Senate to expand the House border security bill to include a guest-worker program or provisions that opponents call "amnesty." "Let's wait and see what the Senate can produce," he told reporters yesterday when asked whether House Republicans would reject the Senate Judiciary Committee's proposal to allow the estimated 12 million illegal aliens now in the U.S. to seek citizenship after paying a fine.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Yeah, Santa Ana had a pretty decisive victory there. A+ for your history knowledge, C- for its relevance.

The relevence is that way back when, Texans actually fought to protect their lands from the invading Mexicans.

Now, they throw up their arms and surrender.

Or, is Bush not a Texan and is he not surrendering to Vicente Fox?

[Jeff Head]

I would. It was put into the context of the Alamo

In the context of the Alamo itself, his forced march through a blizzard to get there cost him eight times the men he defeated, and the battle itself cost at least that many again, if not twice that number.

That is not a decisive victory. I would call it winning a particular battle at an unbelievable horrendous cost that if persisted in and replicated would ultimately lose the war.

Yes, he won...but not decisively so. If anything, the Texans and their allies proved to him how costly his victories would be and in that way won their won decisve triumph in losing that battle.

[Coop]

Or, is Bush not a Texan and is he not surrendering to Vicente Fox?

Actually, he's the President of the United States. Kinda has a broader perspective, ya know? But you're right, he did used to live & govern in Texas. So I imagine he's quite familiar with Mexico the challenges illegal immigration pose to our nation, especially the southern border states.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT

[Coop]

That is not a decisive victory.

My criteria for "decisive" is that the defending force was wiped out. But they took a ton of invaders with 'em (on a ratio of about 10:1, IIRC), God bless 'em! I'm not arguing any of your points in the strategic sense. :-)

[Jeff Head]

Coop, Tonk is trying to inform veterans about what some people (perhaps a large number of people) on the other side of this immigration fight feel about our nation, our laws, and our flag. In so doing, he hopes to motivate them to stand...as well he should IMHO.

I do not find that disgraceful in the least...it is his right. As is yours to oppose what he is doing. I, for one, support him in it.

[Jeff Head]

Okay...so our definition of decisive is different. If they had done so without losing many men...to me that would be truly decisive. In the strategic sense we are in agreement.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

While its overall relevence may be questioned at this point (but I do not believe it will be in the long run because as more Americans see it and are made aware of the true nature and extent of the problem, which that flag raising punctuates, they will be motivated to act), it is still a highly affrontive and disgraceful act on its own.

I brought up the Alamo because Don'tMessWithTexas was implying that 12 million illegals were too many to deport and thus, we should simply surrender and allow them to become citizens.

The relevence of the Alamo is that back then, Texans didn't think twice about defending their lands, even against insurmountable odds, even if it meant giving their lives to do so.

Now, they willingly surrender. Or, at least that's my take on Bush's and Don'tMessWithTexas's stance.

[Coop]

As is yours to oppose what he is doing. I, for one, support him in it.

And you won't be alone, either. Nor will I. You asked me a straight question, I gave you a straight answer. We can disagree as to Tonk's motivation.

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Bush isn't a Texan.

He's a Connecticut Yankee with a well-practiced Southwestern twang.

I'll admit, it's more convincing than his feeble attempts at speaking Spanglish.

[Jeff Head]

I do not believe Texas is "surrendering".

As a native-Texas, even though I now live in Idaho, I can tell you that that is not going to happen.

[griswold3]

I have not received a reply from DeWine or Voinivich and I have emailed them everyday since the decision of the Judiciary Committee.
Usually DeWine does reply, but not on this issue so far.
Voinivich has never replied even though I send him every pro-Bolton story I can get my hands on and have asked for an apology for his "behavior" on the Senate floor during the Bolton nomination. (I love John Bolton. Anyone who demands meetings to be conducted ON TIME has my admiration.)

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Actually, he's the President of the United States. Kinda has a broader perspective, ya know?

Please explain how this relieves him of his duty to enforce the immigration laws already on the books.

[Jeff Head]

I appreciate your forthrightness. I know Tonk personally and I can say that, in my experience, his motivations are good and not in question...whether you may agree with the methods or not.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Bush isn't a Texan.

(I know. He's a carpet-bagger, just like his Daddy before him)

[Joe 6-pack]

You are right on Tonk....

U.S. Marine Pvt 1st Class Luther Leguire raises the U.S. flag atop the American Consulate in Seoul just prior its recapture on 29 Sept, 1950.

[Coop]

Please explain how this relieves him of his duty to enforce the immigration laws already on the books.

It doesn't. But I granted him a waiver just so'z we could have this wonderful thread!

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

Like father, like son.

If there had to be patrician, New England family that occupied the White House I would prefer it be the Buckleys, to be perfectly honest.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

As a native-Texas, even though I now live in Idaho, I can tell you that that is not going to happen.

And you may very well be right.

But as it is now, our elected officials in Washington are selling us down the river and unless Texans are willing to secede or start a revolution, they will have no choice but to go along with the program.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Thanks for seeing the bigger picture
and putting America before party talking points.

BTW The situation in Klamath is now effecting
the commercial fishing fleet in Oregon.

I've come full circle, meeting the farmers in summer of '01,
along with you and so many other FReepers.

68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub Eye AND Ear Witness account
of Klamath Falls Parade and Rally
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b848e723d9e.htm

And now each and every week since Oct 2001 with the
Coast Guard and now with the commercial fishermen
each week (since Mar 2005).

I'm on week # 234

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1357942/posts

It's amazing what actually gets done with no
party politics in play.