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To: Cannoneer No. 4

This issue tears me up. We can probably all agree that general transport in combat zones should be able to protect our guys from small arms fire.

We might even be able to agree that all such combat vehicles have V-hulls so that they can better survive mines/IEDs.

But some of those vehicles above are entirely inappropriate for running logistics and errands.

Don't get me wrong, scout and recon vehicles should be better armored (but even so they've got to be fast and quiet in order to sneak around)...

...and our armored personnel carriers should be improved...

...but the HMMWV is designed for what 4 to 6 people? This is the vehicle that you get in to go from one part of the base to another...something that doing all day in an M1A1 would probably strike all of us as inappropriate.

You need a general purpose vehicle for rear echelon logistics. Take the HMMWV, change its flat underbody to a V-hull with just enough armor to withstand running over a small ex-Soviet mortar, bullet-proof the sides and glass...and use that for non-combat purposes in the rear of war zones (e.g. bases, single-person transport, etc.).

Then use an armored vehicle like those shown above for recon and combat patrols. That's something that a general purpose vehicle isn't designed for.

20 posted on 03/30/2006 1:03:42 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack; globalheater; Cannoneer No. 4
Southhack has the right idea "Take the HMMWV, change its flat underbody to a V-hull with just enough armor to withstand running over a small ex-Soviet mortar, bullet-proof the sides and glass...". Hummers would still have to go on missions, but they would be better protected and that translates into fewer dead GIs.

Also look at the front bumper of the vehicle that globalheater posted-see the built in tow cable? Excellent idea. Otherwise I am not too sure about the vehicle as it appears to suffer from the same explosion absorbing flat bottom as the hummer.

26 posted on 03/30/2006 7:05:34 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: Southack
Running logistics and errands inside the wire is best done with non-tactical vehicles, but Snuffy is going to drive to the PX in whatever vehicle he can get.


31 posted on 03/30/2006 8:40:04 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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