Skip to comments.Albanian Muslims object to city's statue of Mother Teresa
Posted on 03/30/2006 2:39:43 AM PST by MadIvan
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I'm offended that they consider islam a religion.
Unlike YOU who adore Christian killing mussies and clinton policies!!
See, bud.... clinton was a war criminal and he got away with it.
You support CLINTON'S POLICIES SO YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN A MILOSEVIC SUPPORTER.
DEAL with it, LIBERAL.
Me too, me too!! Clinton was a big albanian supporter... and he was SUPPORTED$$$$$ by a bunch of Albanian lobbyists who got their money from CRIMNINAL activies.
clinton's policies to help the mussies who fought against Christian Serbs in Bosnia. clinton who supported Bosnian mujahadeen who provided passports to bin laden and the plotters of 9/11.
And don't forget, that many of the 9/11 hijackers served with the Bosnian mussie "army" in its civil war against the lawful govt. of Yugoslavia.
albanian terrorists and land thieves, also had bin laden support in Kosovo.
Screw the Muslim hordes.
A liberal Muslim is one that will only cut half of your head off.
We do not want this statue to be erected in a public place, because we see her as a religious figure," said Bashkim Bajraktari, Shkoder's mufti, a Muslim religious leader.
Too damn bad. If they don't like the staute just let them do what they always do, cut the head off of it.
Them and clintinoids too!!
I know. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Did some lurking for the last several months; looks like you are still the master of the Balkans threads. I will soon be making another long trip--Afghanistan this time--and will probably revert to listening silence again. -Mark
Build the statue. Let me slap their toothless primitive whining Muslim faces.
BETTER WAKE UP WORLD!
But that's so 2002!
Seriously, stay safe, and if someone offers you a GAZ jeep to use, punch them in the head, 'cause they don't like you.
Hello, Mother Theresa was not born in Albania, she never lived in Albania.
>>>>>Or the Albanian government that has opened its training bases to our troops for their final exercises while enroute to war?>>>>>
Our troops or YOURS ?
Argue with Mother Theresa. She says she was Albanian (see post 36). She spoke Albanian. The Albanians have named their main airport after her. The biggest Albanian charity is called The Mother Teresa Society. The fact that she was born in an Albanian populated area of the Ottoman Empire before Albanian gained its independence from Istanbul makes her no less Albanian.
Here's a nice photo of the statue of Mother Teresa located on Mother Theresa Boulevard in Pristina, Kosovo; its been up about four years now:
Yet, we have to accept that an Albanian born in Macedonia is Albania's national figure :-)
At least we do not have problem with the nationality of Osama Bin Laden who set shop in Albania.
`The suffering of our family started when the Yugoslavs and Albanians were fighting for Kosova and the other provinces of Albania in which was the City of Skopje. Our father ... was very active in politics and the Albanian National question. He tried very hard to obtain the national rights of Albanians, with all his heart he tried to keep the Albanian territories in Yugoslavia together with Albania. When Yugoslavia took over the territories the family was persecuted and my father poisoned.'
And your "proof" for this is?
This is historical nonsense. Yugoslavia (i.e. Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes) was created in 1919., after WWI. Present day Kosovo and Metohija and Makedonija were part of Serbia since the dissolution of the Ottoman rule in the Balkans (Balkan Wars). For historically challenged, Balkan wars were BEFORE WWI.
"When Yugoslavia took over the territories the family was persecuted and my father poisoned." is complete fabrication.
But having in mind Albanian propensity for blattant historical lies (e.g. Ilyrian origin, Alexander the Great being an Albanian and other fantastic tales) this is merely a glitch in the script :-)
There is a rabid Anti-Serb who can be consulted on Mother Theresa. He can not be accued of favorism. His name is Christopher Hitchens.
OK, as usual the Serbs did no wrong. Mother Teresa and her brother lied. Whatever.
I wonder if your beloved Muhammedans will tear down the statute to this kindly nun?
Perhaps, it is the fact that her deeds leave the vast majority of the rest of us wanting in our contributions in life.
I can think of several reasons the Muhammedans would object.
1. She was an avowed Christian.
2. She was not a Muhammedan.
3. Remember those statues of Buddha?
marky-boy, if you weren't falling all over yourself trying to make all Serbs look bad, you'd have realized that some of the Bosnians are Serbs! LOL! What a fool! That fact was posted here months ago.
Those pancakes ready yet, boy?
Come to think of it, she also wasn't a pedophile or a bloodthirsty, destruction crazed murderer. Unlike the fruit of the Islamic cult.
Uh huh, how about side of fries with that whopper.
Monty: "Uh huh, how about side of fries with that whopper."
The 6th Albanian contingent of troops is in Iraq:
"Our Prime Minister was here two months ago and he said Albania will be in Iraq the same amount of time as the U.S. forces," Sokoli said. "The Albanian Soldiers are proud to fight terrorism here and to fight the global war on terrorism."
In 2004, Sgt. Elton Abazllari, now the company advisor, was deployed to Iraq, working with U.S. Special Forces. He was wounded in his right leg by an Improvised Explosive Device. He said the situation in Mosul has greatly improved in the past year.
"Now-a-days, things are changing for the better," Sokoli said. "Three years ago, it was the worst situation, and now its better because the local government is taking control and responsibility and fighting terrorism, and the coalition is supporting them."
Sokolis Albanian Kommandos will be leaving Iraq in mid-April to be replaced by the Kommandos 2nd Battalion.
"I think now terrorism is the worst sickness and all democratic countries need to put together all their forces to fight the terrorists," Sokoli said.
You're a goof.
Meanwhile, your beloved Milosevic was sucking up oil for food dollars from Saddam and the Serbs continued to supply weapons to Saddam Hussein right up through 2002.
Conscience Before Deadlines
By Stephen Schwartz
08 May 2006
Shkodra, Albania -- Does the mainstream media (MSM) incite the clash of civilizations (COC) between the Judeo-Christian world and Islam? At times, it seems so.
A recent example involves the small country of Albania, which is mysterious to most foreigners. I have published much on the history of mutual interfaith respect among Albanians, who are 70 percent Muslim (mainly Sunnis, but with at least a third comprising Europe's only indigenous Shias). The institution I have founded, the Center for Islamic Pluralism (CIP), seeks to promote the common interest of all monotheistic believers. I have published several articles and comments defending the rights of Greek Orthodox believers in Turkey, the sanctity of synagogues in Gaza, and other issues involving non-Muslims.
Some argue that CIP's efforts to oppose Muslim radicals when they attack other religions are meaningless, because according to such instant experts, nobody in the Muslim world listens to me or to CIP. While I do not intend this commentary as mere self-promotion, since CIP was founded last year, I have met repeatedly with Islamic clerics in the Balkans and Southeast Asia, and, as in the past, with dissident Saudis -- and I sincerely believe our work has a positive effect.
But let me not stray too far from what brought me to Albania. The April 2006 issue of First Things, an American Christian magazine of considerable influence, printed an article of mine calling on the Vatican to do more to help Albanian Catholics preserve their cultural heritage -- not in the face of Muslim aggression, but against the remnants of Communist corruption in politics and legal standards
The article called forth a generous comment from the editor of First Things, Jody Bottum, who also, however, mentioned news reports of Muslim-Catholic conflict in the northern Albanian city of Shkodra, in which Catholics were historically a majority and now make up half the population. Many Catholics have left Shkodra for other Albanian cities where economic opportunities are better. As a Catholic and anti-Communist redoubt, Shkodra continues to suffer, in its social development, from the discrimination imposed on it by decades of Marxist terror. My article, Mr. Bottum's comments, and links to the news stories about Muslim-Catholic tensions may be read here.
Given the seriousness of the matter, and the unfortunate fact that I have been repeatedly and vehemently accused of hiding the bad face of Islam, I took an opportunity -- an invitation to Britain for an event cosponsored by the Organization for the Islamic Conference (OIC), the Saudi-based international body of 57 Muslim-majority states, including the Palestinian Authority -- and have spent a week in Albania, investigating the situation for myself. (I have the further pleasure of announcing that my book The Two Faces of Islam has come out in Albanian, and used the occasion for a launch and interviews regarding it.)
As noted in Mr. Bottum's comments, the alleged conflict in Shkodra involved a bust of Mother Teresa, who is considered a national hero among Albanians. A small group of Muslims in Shkodra protested the erection of an official monument to her, as it might thus appear that the city belonged only to Catholics. It may be observed that the most aggravated reportage on this controversy came from Reuters news service, which has been widely criticized for its politicization. Reuters is infamous for referring to Arabs who commit acts of brutal violence as "militants" rather than terrorists. As usual for the MSM, some crucial comments in the Reuters reportage were solicited in bars and on the street, which may be appropriate when dealing with fires or traffic jams, but is inappropriate for journalism regarding conflicts that may result in bloodshed. But a contrasting report from Associated Press quoted Selim Muca, the leading Muslim cleric in the country, who said, "We respect the contribution of the distinguished figures of our nation, like that of Mother Teresa, who is the honor of our nation."
In Albania, Mother Teresa is omnipresent; the airport at the capital, Tirana, has been renamed for her. In Shkodra, Catholic monuments are commonplace. The style of hijab or "Islamic" covering by women often seen in Kosovo -- older women, that is, in long grey overcoats with headscarves -- is absent here; more on that below. Nearly everyone I met assured me that while there had been a brief dust-up involving some Muslim complaints about the Mother Teresa bust, nothing serious had occurred or was expected to take place. Nevertheless, a local Muslim intellectual told me the uproar reflected the desire of Muslims to make clear they, as well as Catholics, are part of the local scene, and have been so for centuries.
In a visit to a place sacred to every friend of Albanians -- the Franciscan Library of Shkodra, which was destroyed and pillaged under Communism -- I interviewed an avid young man in the brown cloth of the order. Our talk followed an afternoon mass crowded with children and adults, including men -- the latter rare in "Catholic" Spain or Italy. I had earlier heard the church bells, and as we spoke, I listened to the adhan or Muslim call to prayer, from a large mosque nearby -- the Balkan experience par excellence. An Orthodox Christian church stands only a block or two away, although the Orthodox have never had a large presence in the town.
The young Franciscan described to me how Catholics and Muslims in Shkodra, as they have for generations, join together for the holidays of each faith, and how priests in training visit mosques. And he showed me a wondrous thing: Qur'an, the sacred book of Islam, translated and printed in Albanian by Catholics early in the 20th century. They wanted to advance the literacy of all Albanians, so the Catholics printed Qur'an!
The next day I went to Tirana, where I met with a leading Sufi, shaykh Ali Pazari of the Halveti order of Islamic spirituality. The shaykh told me an equally remarkable story: in the 1920s, in poor, isolated, exotic Albania, his grandfather, who was also a leading mystic, was called the "Catholic Sufi" because he called on women to take off their hijab and go to school! Shaykh Ali repeated something I have heard from many Albanians -- that religious leaders must put the national interest first, ahead of religious issues. And he underscored that Sufism, like Catholicism, had its strongest historic roots in Shkodra.
So why should random comments in Shkodra, a town most people in the leading countries never heard of, have elicited the interest of the MSM? Rumors of an interreligious battle in a distant corner of the globe came after the scandal of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, the global outcry over persecution of a Christian convert in Afghanistan, and similar "big stories" that present Islam in the worst possible light, as well as consistent propagandist "journalism" about Iraq -- ignoring the Saudi role in the violence there, and presenting bloodthirsty terrorists as "insurgents." These offerings by the MSM typically embody misinformation if not disinformation -- Islam does NOT ban the depiction of the Prophet, and Islam lacks a body of consistent practice regarding changes and fusions between religions, as I recently noted in TCS Daily. I have repeatedly pointed out, here and elsewhere, that Iraqis themselves do not view the killers of the innocent in Iraq as a "resistance," but as Saudi-financed Sunni aggression.
Could it be that the cynical principle, "if it bleeds it leads," and a desire to make the global situation worse -- since efforts toward its betterment would presumably conflict with the supposed "objectivity" of the MSM -- have made journalists more complicit than any government in the worldwide nightmare we all face? I am a journalist, and do not want to believe this. I have argued that reporters are "first responders" and cannot be expected to understand the nuances of Islam. But I increasingly feel I am wrong about that, because I am also a Muslim, and an American, and I want to prevent the clash of civilizations, not stand aside as more people fight and die. Nobody accepted such neutral conduct by journalists in the late 1930s, facing the challenge of fascism; nobody should accept it in the context of a planetary struggle against Islamofascism or its mirror-image, Islamophobia.
Jews say: before there is Torah, there is bread. That is, before prayer comes work to survive. But an ethical person does not justify lies by the need to earn bread. Before deadlines, there is, or must be, conscience.
Stephen Schwartz is a TCS contributing writer and co-founder for the Center of Islamic Pluralism.
Not that it willl make a bit of difference to some of you.
Mother Teresa Statue Creates Friction
Planned Statue of Mother Teresa in Albania Causes Friction in Muslim Community
By LLAZAR SEMINI
The Associated Press
TIRANA, Albania - Albania's largest Muslim group said Monday that placing a bust of Mother Teresa in a northern city would not damage religious harmony, rejecting claims from smaller Muslim associations.
The Culture Ministry's proposal to put a statue at the entrance to Shkodra, 70 miles north of the capital, Tirana, was opposed the day before by three small Muslim associations.
Selim Muca, head of the Albanian Muslim Community, the organization representing all Muslims in Albania, said those objections were not the community's official position.
"We respect the contribution of the distinguished figures of our nation, like that of Mother Teresa, who is the honor of our nation," Muca said.