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Hostage Jill Carroll Released (Per Fox News and MSNBC)
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Posted on 03/30/2006 3:33:00 AM PST by xcamel

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To: jimbo123

So I'm watching her staged video abouit her wonderful experience and thinking ummmmm Head Lice???????


342 posted on 03/30/2006 6:46:33 PM PST by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5
Some interesting info here.

The Associated Press reported:

"Mr. Boudai said the sources claimed Carroll, who was abducted in Baghdad on Jan. 7, "is in a safe house owned by one of the kidnappers in downtown Baghdad with a group of women."

He said the sources also claimed Carroll was in good psychological condition and was doing housework with the women in the place of her detention. The sources also said the kidnappers denied killing Carroll's translator when they abducted her at gunpoint ...

An editorial calling for the release of Jill Carroll ran in Wednesday's edition of Baghdad's New Sabah newspaper. It was written by the paper's editor in chief, Ismael Zayer. Some excerpts:

"American freelance journalist Jill Carroll, who used the name Zainab in Iraq, has been held by kidnappers since Jan. 7. Jill loves Iraq and Iraqis. She is known for her independent thinking...."

Zainab is "Daughter of Fatima," not "Daughter of Muhammad."

Women who have Embraced Islam: Zainab

343 posted on 03/30/2006 9:40:35 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
However, I did find the following also:

Zainab was perhaps the oldest of Muhammad's daughters. By the time of the Hijra (the getaway to Madina in 622) she was married to a non-Muslim man so she did not follow her father to Madina. But when her husband was taken prisoner after the Battle at Badr in 626 CE (4 H), Muhammad had him freed after Zainab had promised to come to Madina. Her husband was taken prisoner again in 628, and once again freed by Zainab's intercession. He became a Muslim the following year, and was reunited with his wife. Zainab had two children, Ali that died as a child, and Umama that married Ali after Fatima died.

344 posted on 03/30/2006 9:53:35 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: OKIEDOC
I wondered myself about why she is there and if she truly did speak Arabic fluently.

I seriously doubt it. She had been in Jordan for one year before going to Iraq. The Jordan Times is in english. I have visited Jordan. English is widely spoken due to the British influence.

I have lived in Saudi Arabia for five years. You just don't pick up Arabic. In the foreign service, diplomats are trained for six months in the US and then spend another year in Tunisa to learn Arabic. Even after that, you are no where near fluent. Whatever her friends may have said about her fluency, it is all hyperbole. How could they possibly know what her level was? From what I have read from her writings, Carroll had a rather inflated opinion of herself and her abilities as a reporter. She was just a stringer paid by the story.

345 posted on 03/30/2006 10:00:55 PM PST by kabar
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To: sageb1
Why did Jill choose Zainab as her Islamic name?

Zaynab

(A.S) the Social Worker and Educator

In social dimensions, besides communicating deeply with people, she was active in educating the people, solving their problems and also aiding the needy.

As a case in point, while living in Kufa, she taught women the Quran interpretation.

Everyone knew that she (A.S) was a brave and high-spirited lady and this was clear in her brief, effective and blazing speeches in Ibn Ziad and Yazid’s court against them.

The Many Names of Lady Zaynab (A.S) There have been many names for Lady Zaynab (A.S). Some of them are more important in the historical documents rather than the other ones. “Umm Kulthum” is one of her most famous names. The reason why she was called Zaynab Kubra (Zaynab the major) was the fact that her sister having the same name and nickname. Therefore this name of Zaynab distinguished her from her sister. However; in some books like “Ibn Shahr Ashoob” and “An explanation on Nahjolbilaqih”, one can find out that it was her sister that was called “Umm Kulthum the major.” “Umm Abdullah” and "Umm-ul-Hasan” are among her many other names.

It is worthy to say that according to the Arabian tradition at that time, the many names were determined for an individual in his or her early childhood.

Multidimensional Character

Her multidimensional character had led to the existence of many names for her, some of them are explained in the following:

Lady Zaynab (A.S) was called “ Banihashem’s Aqileh" and “Aqileh Talebin” in which Aqileh means the virtuous lady who is treated dearly among the members of the family and in her progeny. Her other names are: “Sadiqeh", “Esmat-e Soqra (Esmat, the minor)”, “Mahbubat-ul- Mostafa”, “ Sharikat ul Hosein”, “Zahedeh” (the virtuous lady), "Aqeleh" (the wise lady), and so on.

346 posted on 03/30/2006 10:27:39 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
Hmmmmmm...

The Imperial House of Osman GENEALOGY

"# 11) H.H. Princess Umm ul-Kulsum Sultana. b. 10th June 1700 (twin with her sister Zainab). She d. 1st May 1701."

"# 12) H.H. Princess Zainab Sultana. b. 10th June 1700 (twin with her sister Umm ul-Kulsum). She d. 18th December 1705."

Just researching....

347 posted on 03/30/2006 10:42:35 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: tobyhill

The interesting thing is she must be an embarrassment to the American media. I would like to make her the symbol of the media in Iraq. The media will try to change the subject. Her crying and weeping, her collaboration.

But truly, if it is found that she staged her kidnapping, the FBI should charge her. That will stop her nonsense.

I think the US media in Iraq knew she was a flake.


348 posted on 03/31/2006 1:25:57 AM PST by Patriot from Philly
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To: xcamel

Wow, I didn't expect to see so many people on this site upset that they didn't kill her, but sadly, I'm not all that surprised. Some people need hostage deaths for their propaganda, I guess. People not dying is generally good news and I, for one, am pleased she's free again.


349 posted on 03/31/2006 3:51:48 AM PST by binnster
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To: driftdiver

Time will tell. We never did convict Jane fonda of being a traitor either, but I think most of us have accepted that fact. IMO she and Jane are sisters.


350 posted on 03/31/2006 4:15:21 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Patriot from Philly
I'm still inclined to believe that she did not fake her kidnapping. Even if she is in sympathy, they've killed other sympathetic foreigners, even converts and even women. It's too risky. But from what I've heard, she was in a questionable neighborhood when she was taken and her behavior upon release raises questions. Again, I'm inclined to believe there's a reason. Stockholm Syndrome is not uncommon.

What I've seen that has bothered me is that representatives of the Christian Science Monitor, in addition to our military, have worked tirelessly for months for her release even though she was a free-lance writer. Yet, from what I can tell, the first colleagues she called upon release were from the Washington Post. I heard one of them talking about it yesterday morning at CNN. They sent a reporter to talk to her about the time the rest of us were just hearing the news. She has a lot of people to thank for her release and they may not be the ones which come to her mind. But we'll see as her story unfolds.

351 posted on 03/31/2006 5:49:38 AM PST by twigs
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To: binnster

That is a ridiculous statement. No one wants the lady dead.


352 posted on 03/31/2006 6:36:49 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Note to self: Do not get into Mohamedan geneology after midnight. :)


353 posted on 03/31/2006 6:43:13 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: xcamel

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606615/posts
Transcript of the "Mujahideen of Iraq" with American hostage Jill Carroll

Link for video to download on that thread too.


354 posted on 03/31/2006 6:44:24 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: twigs

I know the talk shows are discussing Stockhold Syndrome, but I'm getting the impression that it is being discussed in a rather tongue-in-cheek manner.


355 posted on 03/31/2006 6:49:53 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks...


356 posted on 03/31/2006 7:00:29 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Calpernia

MSNBC just said that her family is saying that she was told that that tape would not be made public.

Whatever that means.


357 posted on 03/31/2006 7:01:54 AM PST by Howlin ("It doesn't have a policy. It doesn't need to have a policy. What's the point of a Democratic policy)
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To: StillProud2BeFree; Howlin

I guess someone forgot to negotiate that with the Mujahideen. They posted it on a message board and freeper StillProud2befree downloaded it.


358 posted on 03/31/2006 7:03:31 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: xcamel
She said her captors did not harm her and were hospitable....Does this mean when she was begging for her life a couple of months ago it was just crocodile tears?
359 posted on 03/31/2006 7:14:23 AM PST by hope (let no man deceive you)
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Bernard from the IMUS show said the weight Jill put on was because she was carrying Zarqawi's baby


360 posted on 03/31/2006 7:16:12 AM PST by KavMan
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