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Governor Perry Calls for Major Tax Reform (Texas)
RickPerry.org ^

Posted on 03/30/2006 6:41:48 AM PST by mnehrling

The Texas Tax Reform Commission Plan will deliver record tax relief, real tax reform and greater tax fairness for homeowners and businesses. It provides a historic $6 billion property tax cut, and ensures that the state carries more of the school finance load – not local property taxpayers. It reforms the business franchise tax so more businesses pay for our children’s education while lowering the tax rate and maintaining a strong climate for continued job creation. And with a net tax cut of nearly $1.5 billion by the 2007 tax year, this plan will result in more families being able to afford to buy a home, more jobs that provide good healthcare plans and benefits, and more children excelling in schools that have the reliable revenue stream they need to succeed.

Tax Relief

Tax Reform

Tax Fairness

Q & A

Why not just spend the surplus now and take up comprehensive tax reform later?

Spending some of the surplus on tax relief is wise and responsible. But simply spending all of the surplus to meet the bare bones requirements of the Supreme Court ruling is not the best choice for a number of reasons:

Why doesn’t this plan provide “new money” for education or authorize additional classroom reforms?



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: perry; schoolfinance; tea; texas
So far, the DNC, TEA, and Strayhorn have all blasted the plan.. cannot be all that bad with enemies like that..
1 posted on 03/30/2006 6:41:49 AM PST by mnehrling
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To: mnehrling

With the State getting the biggest burden, I hope this does not usher in a State Income Tax.

I like it. Won't affect me much, because (being retired) I already live very modestly, and own a small home.


2 posted on 03/30/2006 6:51:49 AM PST by i_dont_chat (I defend the right to offend!)
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To: mnehrling

Well, a politician came up with the plan, so we know someone is getting screwed.

With Texas schools desperate for money, Perry has once again endorsed a plan that he KNOWS is destined for failure in the special session. Cut property taxes and increase business taxes??? Yeah, right... the Texas legislature is made up of business owners who play part-time politicians every 2 years.

And counting on smokers to provide tax revenue is a bad idea.


3 posted on 03/30/2006 6:52:08 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: i_dont_chat

The Texas Constitution prohibits a State Income Tax.. No matter how much Strayhorn thinks it's necessary, it will be a though one to push through.


4 posted on 03/30/2006 6:54:03 AM PST by mnehrling (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: mnehrling

I wonder if this plan does anything about the fact that the Appraisal Districts can raise your taxable appraisal at 30% over 3 years? At 10% a year that will wipe those cuts out VERY fast and the property owners will be back where we started at.

Then there is the whole problem behind paying to educate all those Illegal Immigrants.....


5 posted on 03/30/2006 6:54:20 AM PST by Weaponier (Now is the time...)
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To: mnehrling

How about reforming the public intoxication laws while your at it.


6 posted on 03/30/2006 7:03:02 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
From the look of the bill, it actually reduced some Business Taxes.. specifically the franchise tax..

There is a lot of shifting of tax burden and revamping of deductions, so I have a feeling this will take some digging into to understand the real story versus the rhetoric in the media.

http://www.rickperry.org/pdf/tax_reform_bill.pdf
7 posted on 03/30/2006 7:03:25 AM PST by mnehrling (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: mnehrling
only those who voluntarily consume tobacco face the possibility of a higher net tax burden

Only those who voluntarily consume tobacco (purchased in Texas) face the possibility of a higher net tax burden.

I will refuse to be a pawn in the "Tax the Smoker" game.

8 posted on 03/30/2006 7:04:20 AM PST by Flyer (Preserve American Culture)
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To: Vaquero
Amen to that.. I have a friend who is fighting with the TABC right now because they say he was publicly drunk in a bar- when he had nothing to drink. He is just very obnoxious.
9 posted on 03/30/2006 7:04:44 AM PST by mnehrling (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: mnehrling

The Texas Constitution does not prohibit a state income tax. The Republican Party platform advocates this, but it's never been enacted.


10 posted on 03/30/2006 7:05:12 AM PST by pkajj
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To: Weaponier
"Then there is the whole problem behind paying to educate all those Illegal Immigrants....."

DING! DING! DING!!! Fixing this problem goes a long way toward fiscal responsibility, but that latter term is an anathema to politicos.

11 posted on 03/30/2006 7:07:28 AM PST by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: i_dont_chat

Thats my thoughts.

Politicians are always looking to stick it to the man, you the tax payer.


12 posted on 03/30/2006 7:08:20 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: pkajj

You are correct.. Need to clarify that... the correct reading of Article 8 of our Constitution prohibits any income tax w/ out a majority of voters approving.. in other words, the legislature cannot enact it on their own..


13 posted on 03/30/2006 7:08:40 AM PST by mnehrling (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: mnehrling

Great plan - Tax all sinners at a higher rate. Smokers are evil so let's make them pay for their disgusting addiction!

And drunks. Hit the drunks. And Fat People. Nobody likes Fat people! Tax Taco Bell and Burger King. Tax evil french fries! And fried pies!

Maybe start taxing ugly people too. They take up entirely too much space on our planet.

Ahhhh, I feel better already.......... /sarc


14 posted on 03/30/2006 7:09:39 AM PST by Humidston (Democrats = Elitists who want to control everyone else's business.)
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To: el_texicano
Let's also add in my biggest disappointment with the bill.. it still keeps the TEA in power.. I give them the #1 slot with the problem with our education system..

Still, it could be worse.. what would Foghorn-Strayhorn and the Kinkster do? Talk about a mess...
15 posted on 03/30/2006 7:11:07 AM PST by mnehrling (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: i_dont_chat
There will be an armed insurrection before Texas has an income tax - citizens are strongly against it. It's in the state constitution that there is to be no state income tax in Texas.

The ever rising cost of education can be dramatically dropped simply by sending the illegals home. These kids who are out "protesting" and waving the MEXICAN flag can go back to their countries of origin and take their illegal parents with them.

The illegals who pack our emergency medical facilities should also go - they are a huge drain on the taxpayers.Another huge drain on our economy is maintaining ILLEGAL immigrant inmates in our prisons.

Every illegal found here in the United States should be automatically deported and refused reentry for any reason for at least the next 10 years. BUILD THE WALL, man it with armed National guardsmen, protect our coasts and shoot to kill anyone of any nationality attempting to invade our country.

National sovereignty is not a bad thing.

16 posted on 03/30/2006 7:12:44 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: texgal
It's in the state constitution that there is to be no state income tax in Texas.

Texgal.. I clarified this in another post, but technically, Article 8(a) of our Constitution says there can be an income tax if approved by a majority of voters.. what this prevents is the legislature creating one on their own..

This reinforces our point to cut out the waste and bureaucracy (TEA for example) so we don't need to worry about fighting for funding all the time..

17 posted on 03/30/2006 7:19:04 AM PST by mnehrling (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: Humidston
If we allow the pols to frame the question we've already lost the game.

Pols are like shop-aholoics with $10,000 cash in their pockets. They're gonna run out fast and they're gonna be back for more. Count on it.

18 posted on 03/30/2006 7:23:50 AM PST by Humidston (Democrats = Elitists who want to control everyone else's business.)
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To: mnehrling

I agree. The voters must approve. I don't see that happening.


19 posted on 03/30/2006 7:26:08 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: mnehrling

Shoot...I was hoping Gov. Perry was too busy investigating whether the Dallas and Houston school districts were turning in fraudulent attendance numbers from the illegal alien schools whose students were not in attendance this week. The state of Texas certainly should not pay those schools for students who were parading their Mexican flags down the streets instead of being in the schools provided so generously by those taxpayers of Texas that our pretty governor is so concerned about.


20 posted on 03/30/2006 7:28:59 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: mnehrling
It reforms the business franchise tax so more businesses pay for our children’s education while lowering the tax rate

I still feel it's just moving the numbers around.

If I charge you less in taxes, but for your employer I raise the taxes or change the structure in such a way, that the outcome is your employer or other business pay more of the taxes (i.e. the "more businesses pay for our children's education" part), then they are going to pass that on to you somehow.

It could be any of the following, take your pick about how businesses will make up their increased cost:
* Businesses pay less wages or give out fewer or reduced raises
* Businesses spend less on the goods and services they consume
* Business pass the tax increase directly to you through higher prices for goods or services.

It's like them converting the road in front of your house into a tollroad rather than raising taxes to pay for road maintenance. The end result is, you're paying more, it's just your not paying it all at once now, you're paying a little bit of it every day.

It does have one benefit though, if they keep shuffling the increased taxes or whatever you want to call them around, eventually they'll get a louder call for an income tax, which many politicians want, but they don't want to be the front-man calling for it.
21 posted on 03/30/2006 8:21:46 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Lunatic Fringe
And counting on smokers to provide tax revenue is a bad idea

and therein lies the other problem. You make it expensive enough for smokers (I don't care for smoking, but I feel sorry for smokers - Democrats and Republicans both have it in for them), there's going to be some percentage quitting, or getting their supplies from somewhere else (quick trip into Oklahoma to one of the Indian smokeshops for instance), which means the overall number of people buying tobacco products drops, which leads to a drop in taxes...not too smart to go after them.
22 posted on 03/30/2006 8:31:14 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: mnehrling
It helps end the over-reliance on local property taxes to pay for our schools.

When the tax burden is at the local level it encourages local communities to restrain spending. Of course they have a lot of spending mandated by law and court order, too, and costs for state and federal bureaucracy.

Some good things in this plan, though.

23 posted on 03/30/2006 8:59:19 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: Weaponier
I wonder if this plan does anything about the fact that the Appraisal Districts can raise your taxable appraisal at 30% over 3 years?

If your property doubles in value they should raise the appraisal 100%.

If you're going to tax property, you have to tax the current value of the property, or you're giving discounts to people whose property appreciates and penalizing people whose property does not.

But of course if you're the one whose property doubles in value, you don't care much about fairness, just shifting the tax burden to someone else.

24 posted on 03/30/2006 9:02:45 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: mnehrling; pkajj

You know what happened to the last legislator who seriously proposed a state income tax in TX? Don't know? Well you are not alone, he has been missing for almost 10 years. Rumor has it he is currently seving the state by replacing an approximately man sized piece of concrete in US 59 between Houston and Cleveland. ;)


25 posted on 03/30/2006 9:03:52 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: texgal
The illegals who pack our emergency medical facilities should also go - they are a huge drain on the taxpayers.

I was wondering how much the 11 illegals who crashed the stolen truck they were in yesterday in Zavala County and were taken to Uvalde to the Hospital cost the taxpayers.

26 posted on 03/30/2006 9:38:14 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: TXBSAFH

I don't doubt that. It's usually the handful of minority State Reps. that propose a state income tax. They know it's DOA, but it plays good for the "homefolks". The idea of a progressive income tax (redistribution to groups who will vote for Democrat candidates) is at the heart of the Deomocrat philosophy of governing.


27 posted on 03/30/2006 2:15:08 PM PST by pkajj
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To: JohnnyZ
If your property doubles in value they should raise the appraisal 100%.

If you're going to tax property, you have to tax the current value of the property, or you're giving discounts to people whose property appreciates and penalizing people whose property does not.

But of course if you're the one whose property doubles in value, you don't care much about fairness, just shifting the tax burden to someone else.


This 30% increase is what the local Appraisal Districts use to set your tax rate on your home. It is NOT based on the open market value, but what some pencil pusher decides to set it as.

If you want more info on the whole appraisal mess/process visit www.clouttexas.com
28 posted on 03/30/2006 2:27:12 PM PST by Weaponier (Now is the time...)
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To: Weaponier
If you want more info on the whole appraisal mess/process visit www.clouttexas.com

LOL!! You use a special-interest website for factual information?

I work with an appraisal district in software design and will relate the appraisal process as gleaned from the Chief Appraiser:

Values are ascertained by reviewing the selling price of the last four homes in a subdivision, any additions or improvements to the property as observed by satellite photo or from permits, and the previous appraisal.

An appeals process is mandated by state law that affords any homeowner who feels his property is overvalued the opportunity to appear before an appraisal board and make his case.

Of course you know that once you reach 65, your home's value is frozen for tax purposes.

I've appealed my appraisal twice in the last 20 years: won one and lost one.

29 posted on 03/30/2006 2:42:07 PM PST by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: Weaponier
It is NOT based on the open market value, but what some pencil pusher decides to set it as.

And you can appeal your valuation, yadda yadda yadda, not interested in people whining about what a burden it is to be financially successful. I am too, and you don't see me crying.

30 posted on 03/30/2006 4:26:52 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: mnehrling
Thank you. When I read an earlier comments I hoped someone had found the info already. The income tax though not unconstitutional must be passed by referendum ... majority vote of th people who will pay it. May or may not happen ... depending on the Legislature agreeing on a referendum and then of course how many voters actually show up at the polls.

Also the article talks about being applied 'in a manner consistent with Federal law.' If Congress would pass the FairTax and abolish the federal income tax (and the IRS) then there would be no controlling statute. Unless the FairTax would be adopted at the State level. This is a consumption tax and not an income tax and unless the Texas Constitution was amended ... again
31 posted on 03/30/2006 6:10:20 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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