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'Unit's' military expert has fighting words for Bush
Los Angles Daily News ^ | 03/26/06 | David Kronke

Posted on 03/30/2006 1:46:47 PM PST by Anthem

Eric Haney, a retired command sergeant major of the U.S. Army, was a founding member of Delta Force, the military's elite covert counter-terrorist unit. He culled his experiences for "Inside Delta Force" (Delta; $14), a memoir rich with harrowing stories, though in an interview, Haney declines with a shrug to estimate the number of times he was almost killed. (Perhaps the most high-profile incident that almost claimed his life was the 1980 failed rescue of the hostages in Iran.) Today, he's doing nothing nearly as dangerous: He serves as an executive producer and technical adviser for "The Unit," CBS' new hit drama based on his book, developed by playwright David Mamet. Even up against "American Idol," "The Unit" shows muscle, drawing 18 million viewers in its first two airings.

Since he has devoted his life to protecting his country in some of the world's most dangerous hot spots, you might assume Haney is sympathetic to the Bush administration's current plight in Iraq (the laudatory cover blurb on his book comes from none other than Fox's News' Bill O'Reilly). But he's also someone with close ties to the Pentagon, so he's privy to information denied the rest of us.

We recently spoke to Haney, an amiable, soft-spoken Southern gentleman, on the set of "The Unit."

Q: What's your assessment of the war in Iraq?

A: Utter debacle. But it had to be from the very first. The reasons were wrong. The reasons of this administration for taking this nation to war were not what they stated. (Army Gen.) Tommy Franks was brow-beaten and ... pursued warfare that he knew strategically was wrong in the long term. That's why he retired immediately afterward. His own staff could tell him what was going to happen afterward.

We have fomented civil war in Iraq. We have probably fomented internecine war in the Muslim world between the Shias and the Sunnis, and I think Bush may well have started the third world war, all for their own personal policies.

Q: What is the cost to our country?

A: For the first thing, our credibility is utterly zero. So we destroyed whatever credibility we had. ... And I say "we," because the American public went along with this. They voted for a second Bush administration out of fear, so fear is what they're going to have from now on.

Our military is completely consumed, so were there a real threat - thankfully, there is no real threat to the U.S. in the world, but were there one, we couldn't confront it. Right now, that may not be a bad thing, because that keeps Bush from trying something with Iran or with Venezuela.

The harm that has been done is irreparable. There are more than 2,000 American kids that have been killed. Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed ñ which no one in the U.S. really cares about those people, do they? I never hear anybody lament that fact. It has been a horror, and this administration has worked overtime to divert the American public's attention from it. Their lies are coming home to roost now, and it's gonna fall apart. But somebody's gonna have to clear up the aftermath and the harm that it's done just to what America stands for. It may be two or three generations in repairing.

Q: What do you make of the torture debate? Cheney ...

A: (Interrupting) That's Cheney's pursuit. The only reason anyone tortures is because they like to do it. It's about vengeance, it's about revenge, or it's about cover-up. You don't gain intelligence that way. Everyone in the world knows that. It's worse than small-minded, and look what it does.

I've argued this on Bill O'Reilly and other Fox News shows. I ask, who would you want to pay to be a torturer? Do you want someone that the American public pays to torture? He's an employee of yours. It's worse than ridiculous. It's criminal; it's utterly criminal. This administration has been masters of diverting attention away from real issues and debating the silly. Debating what constitutes torture: Mistreatment of helpless people in your power is torture, period. And (I'm saying this as) a man who has been involved in the most pointed of our activities. I know it, and all of my mates know it. You don't do it. It's an act of cowardice. I hear apologists for torture say, "Well, they do it to us." Which is a ludicrous argument. ... The Saddam Husseins of the world are not our teachers. Christ almighty, we wrote a Constitution saying what's legal and what we believed in. Now we're going to throw it away.

Q: As someone who repeatedly put your life on the line, did some of the most hair-raising things to protect your country, and to see your country behave this way, that must be ...

A: It's pretty galling. But ultimately I believe in the good and the decency of the American people, and they're starting to see what's happening and the lies that have been told. We're seeing this current house of cards start to flutter away. The American people come around. They always do.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apologist; delta; deltaforce; eric; erichaney; force; haney; haneyisaturd; iraq; mamet; theunit; unit
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1 posted on 03/30/2006 1:46:50 PM PST by Anthem
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To: Anthem

This has been pulled at least once today. You might want to make a comment about how you feel about this...or it's gonna go bye-bye.


2 posted on 03/30/2006 1:48:08 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Anthem

He has those RAT talking points down to an art form.


3 posted on 03/30/2006 1:48:46 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: strategofr; AntiGuv

Here's a ping for you guys.


4 posted on 03/30/2006 1:50:18 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem
Our military is completely consumed, so were there a real threat - thankfully, there is no real threat to the U.S. in the world but were there one, we couldn't confront it. Right now, that may not be a bad thing, because that keeps Bush from trying something with Iran or with Venezuela.

Utter nonsense.

5 posted on 03/30/2006 1:50:27 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: MineralMan

It makes me feel terrible.


6 posted on 03/30/2006 1:51:12 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem

Is this guy for real? What does he suggest we do after he tears apart everything we have done?


7 posted on 03/30/2006 1:51:14 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Anthem

CBS wouldn't be working with this guy if he wasn't a Bush hater. Just another guy with a book to sell.


8 posted on 03/30/2006 1:51:39 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Anthem
Who is Eric Haney?
9 posted on 03/30/2006 1:52:10 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Anthem
Movie title: "When Heros Turn Democrat!"
10 posted on 03/30/2006 1:52:28 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: frogjerk

I don't think we're going into Iran, regardless. There is too much cooperation in place with Iran already, and their society is more western than the propaganda indicates.


11 posted on 03/30/2006 1:52:51 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem

Eric Haney thank you for your service to our country in the past but right now you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy of the United States.


12 posted on 03/30/2006 1:53:32 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: Rummyfan

i have my doubts. He sounds more like John Kerry than a tough Special Ops soldier.


13 posted on 03/30/2006 1:53:36 PM PST by balch3
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I did a search on the article title.


14 posted on 03/30/2006 1:54:07 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem

Bookmark.


15 posted on 03/30/2006 1:54:30 PM PST by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Anthem

Have we found David Hackworth's replacement now that he is gone?


16 posted on 03/30/2006 1:54:37 PM PST by Cecily
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Eric Haney?

Who is a John Kerry Supporter for $500.00?

17 posted on 03/30/2006 1:55:20 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Anthem

Whatever the merits of his other arguments, it cannot be argued that removing Saddam was not a favor to the world. Only problem is, the world didn't support it, but instead has in large part given support to the terrorists.


18 posted on 03/30/2006 1:56:36 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: Cecily
--Have we found David Hackworth's replacement now that he is gone?

I don't know, but I sure miss Hack.

19 posted on 03/30/2006 1:56:53 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: Anthem
We had lots of credibility that's why we were spared on 9/11.......oh wait. They didn't love us before 9/11 after all, did they?

The international community loved us too. The French, the Germans, the Canadians....oh wait, they didn't love us before or after 9/11 did they?

20 posted on 03/30/2006 1:57:12 PM PST by OldFriend (AMERICA WOULD NOT BE THE LAND OF THE FREE IF IT WERE NOT ALSO THE HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: Anthem

There are lots of guys who may be tactically brilliant, but haven't a clue about politics and a strategic overview. This dude is living proof.


21 posted on 03/30/2006 1:57:15 PM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: Anthem

. The reasons of this administration for taking this nation to war were not what they stated. (Army Gen.) Tommy Franks was brow-beaten and ... pursued warfare that he knew strategically was wrong in the long term. That's why he retired immediately afterward. His own staff could tell him what was going to happen afterward.




Hmmm, funny, Tommy Franks makes no such comments in his bio. and is in fact highly supportive and proud of the effort in Iraq. And he sure managed to be a vocal supporter of the president's during the 04 campaign. I always love when someone claims to speak for someone else, contradicting what they've publically said themselves and all based on some supposed "insider access" at the Pentagon.

And this guy's flip remarks about torture being Cheney's deal and that the US "fomented civil war" in Iraq as if the US hasn't been the party trying to bring all sides together and his inability to blame the terrorsts for that shows us the partisan perspective he's operating from.

Whatever this guy's military bona fides, and forgive me if becoming a Hollywood consultant doesn't impress me that somehow he's an unbiased source, being a former military guy doesn't in any way preclude someone from being a partisan leftist political hack, e.g. Wesley Clark, Paul Hackett, etc.

By the way, this article doesn't make one mention as to whether this guy has actually been to Iraq or not to see the situation for himself. And why does the media give this snert all kinds of attention while ignoring the legions of military people saying we are doing the right thing in Iraq?


22 posted on 03/30/2006 1:57:21 PM PST by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Democratic Congressional control)
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To: Anthem

So this guy is a jerk too. I predict "The Eunuch" is going down in flames.


23 posted on 03/30/2006 1:57:24 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Anthem
We have probably fomented internecine war in the Muslim world between the Shias and the Sunnis

that is not necessarily a bad thing

24 posted on 03/30/2006 1:57:45 PM PST by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Anthem

While everyone in special ops is intelligent and usually conservative, there are a lot of very strong personalities, and some diversity, and they are not the type to be shy about their opinions when off duty.


25 posted on 03/30/2006 1:58:43 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Anthem

I thought Hackworth died.


26 posted on 03/30/2006 1:58:43 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: Anthem

Why? He became an embarassment to those who love the military.


27 posted on 03/30/2006 1:59:17 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Sam Cree
--Whatever the merits of his other arguments, it cannot be argued that removing Saddam was not a favor to the world. Only problem is, the world didn't support it, but instead has in large part given support to the terrorists.

If removing Saddam was necessary for whatever strategic reasons, then we should not have added nation building to the agenda. That's Clinton/Berger stuff and it's what's killing our guys.

28 posted on 03/30/2006 1:59:55 PM PST by Anthem (One can not lie their way to the truth.)
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To: MikeA

Anyone who tries to speak for General Franks is a jerk, General Franks can and has spoken for himself.


29 posted on 03/30/2006 2:02:11 PM PST by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

He probably gave the money to Kerry in order to the ringing endorsement for local dog catcher.


30 posted on 03/30/2006 2:02:28 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Anthem


Greatful for the man's service, but there is nothing, NOTHING as disheartening as a military liberal! Makes me cringe every time I hear one of these guys spout off as if they don't remember their oath, don't remember service, and don't remember loyalty. Thank God his impact now is on television and nothing important.

Petro45acp
MSgt (Ret) USMC


31 posted on 03/30/2006 2:03:06 PM PST by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: Anthem; No Longer Free State; Former Military Chick; SandRat

Hmmm, not what my Operation Iraqi Freedom Vet friend (now a LTC) says.


32 posted on 03/30/2006 2:03:33 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Anthem

"The Unit" was a good show up to last week when they went on an anti-Christian tirade and portrayed missionaries as addle-brained fools. They couldn't even go five shows without getting on the usual liberal soap-box. I so hate Hollyweird.


33 posted on 03/30/2006 2:05:21 PM PST by PeterFinn (Anita Bryant was right!)
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To: Anthem

I've never believed that the WMD thing was Bush's main reason for pursuing the "regime change." I've had a couple personal theories that made sense to me, like the idea that it would be necessary to clean up the Middle East to end the threat of Islamic terror, but did the President himself ever really give clear and specific reasoning for the action?


34 posted on 03/30/2006 2:05:34 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: MineralMan

Let it go bye bye.


35 posted on 03/30/2006 2:05:54 PM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Anthem
I don't think we're going into Iran, regardless.

Me neither, Iran is the sword we leave hanging over the heads of our "allies" in Europe.

36 posted on 03/30/2006 2:06:30 PM PST by glorgau
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To: King Prout
Haney: “We have probably fomented internecine war in the Muslim world between the Shias and the Sunnis . . .”

Until BushCo wrecked the neighborhood, it was all sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows.

37 posted on 03/30/2006 2:06:58 PM PST by dighton
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To: MikeA

How does this idiot know Gen. Franks was "browbeaten." Was he in the General's office when Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co. were there berating him? Sounds like another disgruntled leftie with an axe to grind and a book to sell. How many of them have been discredited?


38 posted on 03/30/2006 2:07:03 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Anthem
" That's why he retired immediately afterward."

Franks fought in Vietnam. He served 36 years. I believe he did not retire earlier BECAUSE he felt it important to stay long enough to take Iraq.

39 posted on 03/30/2006 2:07:06 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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To: Anthem
I don't like Bush for many reasons especially domestically..
This guys dead wrong.. to defeat anybody you must divide then conquer..
Iraq started the division of the enemy.. If anything not enough has been done..
Divide Iraq into three parts AND...
Pull mostly out of Iraq and persue Syria next, I say..

The muzzies will/would re-act like a rug pulled out from under them..

Bush is wrong on a hundred issues but goin into Iraq was not one of them..

Obviously this guy is a democrat they never get anything correctly..
O.K. maybe a RINO.. (like theres a difference)..

40 posted on 03/30/2006 2:07:26 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: TChris
There are lots of guys who may be tactically brilliant, but haven't a clue about politics and a strategic overview. This dude is living proof.

Absolutely, enlisted men aren't paid to be strategic thinkers. My dad was a SM and he definitely wasn't a strategic thinker. ;-)

41 posted on 03/30/2006 2:08:02 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Anthem
Don't know what to make of this, but there are a few facts that can be tested.

"Tommy Franks was brow-beaten" True? False?

"We have fomented civil war in Iraq" True? False?

"our credibility is utterly zero" True? False?

"Our military is completely consumed" True? False?

"You don't gain intelligence that way [torture]" True? False?

Personally I don't believe torture is/was an accepted policy/practice. Anyway is most of above true or false? Just fact checking.

42 posted on 03/30/2006 2:08:26 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Anthem

Another James Webb. These prima donnas have huge egos, and they know better than Franks, or Abuzaid, or anybody who's on the ground in Iraq today, don't cha know?


43 posted on 03/30/2006 2:09:31 PM PST by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: Anthem
then we should not have added nation building to the agenda

Nonsense. The "status quo" in the middle east could no longer be maintained and the course we have set upon, although far from perfectly executed, is a necessity that we were basically forced into in order to stabilize that area over the longterm. It was and remains in the best interests of the world to see it through, IMO.
44 posted on 03/30/2006 2:09:32 PM PST by Pox
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"Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed ñ which no one in the U.S. really cares about those people, do they? I never hear anybody lament that fact."

Indeed this gentleman fails to point out that AQ and Saddamites have done most of the killing. So he indicts America with others' evils.

Nice.

45 posted on 03/30/2006 2:11:12 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Why did Allah create free will and then demand submission? Wouldn't robots have been easier?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Yeah, i tried to watch it but the SUCK it generated almost consumed my house


46 posted on 03/30/2006 2:13:51 PM PST by bannedfromdu
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To: Anthem
"so were there a real threat - thankfully, there is no real threat to the U.S. in the world, but were there one, we couldn't confront it"



?
47 posted on 03/30/2006 2:22:16 PM PST by macamadamia
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The reasons of this administration for taking this nation to war were not what they stated. (Army Gen.) Tommy Franks was brow-beaten and ... pursued warfare that he knew strategically was wrong in the long term. That's why he retired immediately afterward. His own staff could tell him what was going to happen afterward. Since General Franks himself has contradicted this fool's comments (just less than a week ago on Hannity's radio program!) yet this arrogant seeker of fame continues to spittle this crap as if serving a democrat party talking point, what use is he now except to our enemies?
48 posted on 03/30/2006 2:23:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Anthem

I know, just thought you like to see the other comments.


49 posted on 03/30/2006 2:25:04 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: MineralMan

I wonder if after you get out of the military your brain disconnects?


50 posted on 03/30/2006 2:26:20 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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