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Posted on 03/30/2006 2:31:49 PM PST by Irontank
Imagine that you and several thousand of your closest friends decided to sneak into Mexico illegally. And imagine you then gathered in one of the largest cities, waving American flags and blocking traffic. Imagine you demanded in English that the Mexicans change their laws to accommodate you.
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Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado is engaging in what amounts to open warfare with the White House on the issue. His aide Will Adams told me yesterday that Tancredo and other House conservatives intend to block any bill that contains either amnesty or guest worker provisions.
....Bush always has had ample authority to solve a relatively manageable problem with illegal immigration.
"I'm not sure what about this guy is conservative anymore," says Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies. "He appointed a couple good judges and that was it -- and he almost blew one of those chances."
Krikorian was alluding to the Harriet Miers fiasco, one of a tri fecta of Bush blunders that have alerted conservatives to his true nature. The second was the Dubai ports controversy. The third is this push for immigration amnesty.
Krikorian advises Bush to cut his losses and accept a tough enforcement bill. Once that 700-mile fence is up on the southern border, Bush might revive his push for that amnesty that he re fuses to call an amnesty.
"A lot of ordinary Americans might swallow it if it were presented as a second step after enforcement was in place and if it weren't demanded as a right but as a result of illegals begging the forgiveness of the American people," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...
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Lets see how many Mexicans vote for republicans.
BIG TIME!!
And he just don't give a da*n either, nor does Senate, at least House passed HR4437 that was a perfect bill, but Senate with the exceptions of Kyle, Tancredo, Cornyn, and few others you still may have a job come Nov but the rest of you traitors, come Nov better start packing up and shipping OUT!!
oh well, no compromise and the result no bill. Its is beyond me how people dont see this. Now nothing will occur and the problems will continue to get worse.
The illegal aliens and the criminals who hire them and the criminals who harbor them are getting out in the street making their desires known. It is way past time those of us who support the rule of law and secure borders did the same.
Join Veterans for Secure Borders, The Minuteman Project, Latino Americans for Immigration Reform, Mothers Against Illegal Aliens, and other groups protesting amnesty for these criminals, and demanding the government protect our borders.
http://www.areckoning.com/
FReepers should be at this rally in strength. Saturday, May 6, in Crawford, TX.
A majority of Americans support deporting illegal aliens and securing the border, and have so for years. Of course an even larger percentage of conservatives are on the same page.
Why doesn't G.W. Bush, along with some other so-called Republicans, seem to care?
I was listening to Rush and he had a caller on who lives near him in Florida. The caller said he was in the farming business and that it had been good to him, which is why he is able to live near Rush. He said he couldn't find Americans willing to work on his farms.
All I could think of was I wonder why???? You live like a king yet refuse to pay an honest, working American a decent wage to work for you.
I want to switch my registration to Independent but then I won't be able to vote in the primaries. I am still considering it however.
We don't need a bill...we have perfectly good laws on the books now...they just don't get enforced...but, if there has to be a bill...let it be like the House bill which puts some teeth into our existing laws rather than gutting it with amnesty and guest worker provisions...what amounts to nothing but a surrender
I've had about enough of Bush's crap. If he were allowed to run for a third term, I'd either vote for a third party candidate or stay home, drowning my sorrows on election day.
I voted for the man twice as well as his father but I've known all along that Bush is a Globalist. What greater enemy to Globalism and his daddy's "New World Order" than borders?
"oh well, no compromise and the result no bill. Its is beyond me how people dont see this. Now nothing will occur and the problems will continue to get worse."
I tend to agree with you. In reality there is going to have to be some copromise on this isue or we will never get anywhere. I can envision some sort of guest worker program at some future date.
That said, i strongly believe that Job One is to finish building the wall. It doesn't amont to a tinker's Damn how many illegals you return over the border, if they walk half a mile and cross back in, unobstructed.
What is there to say? There are a lot of those people still left on this forum.
| We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture. Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende. For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America. As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico. George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000. |
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster
Please folks hit the GOP where it hurts lets all stop sending any donations to the GOP let the mexicans send them donations.
>>Please folks hit the GOP where it hurts lets all stop sending any donations to the GOP let the mexicans send them donations.<<
I got a call from the GOP the other day, asking for money. I hung up on the girl. Not one more dime.
I've already started that, they won't get a dime from me, until I see a true turn around.
Dam right! They have lost my vote, my money and my confidence that they will do the right thing!
Well, it might be unpopular but this is what I would have supported. First real border enforcement. A huge fence wall whatever. Then some sort of guest worker program. My main concern has always been security. But I want to know who is here. That way the concerns of Security, economics, and orderly immigration is addressed. I keep hearing some of the wildest proposals that make no sense to me. Again, I know there are people who want every illegal deported to MExico now. Have them all start the process over again. I can see that viewpoint but it was one that never really excited me. Didnt seem to be such a thing that it would be a dealbreaker. But it appears nothing will be done now and the problems will get worse.
No compromise =no bill= no change = BIG BUCKS FOR TANCREDO
Border security F-I-R-S-T ! Then we can talk "guest worker," etc. Only then.
"I've already started that, they won't get a dime from me, until I see a true turn around."
You'll see the turnaround in November: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
I don't think it's a matter of politicians not caring. I think they care a great deal. In fact, if you think about it, the U.S. needs the tax base to help support all of the baby boomers who will be heading into retirement. If the U.S. made it easier for immigrants to get a visa, we would be preventing problems that countries such as Japan has with one third of its citizens over the age of 65.
U.S. citizens are simply not re-producing fast enough, and taxes aren't decreasing. The baby boomer generation is going to totally screw over my generation (gen Y) if this bill gets passed! Think about all the debt we've accumulated with the Bush Administration. Who do you think is going to have to pay that back? People like me! My generation needs all the help it can get to pay that off! So let 'em in!
SOLD OUT!
However, there want be wall or anything now. I think alot of people that wanted a wall have missed the boat on this one. There could have been a compromise that would have given that and would have been good for business interest and didnt inflame the hispanic community. Oh well thats life. Now the result is there will be no bill and conservatives are calling other conservatives traitors. There is a reason I stay away from these immigration threads. There is no rational thought or discussion. I going to return to the magical world of March Madness till Tuesday and give politics a rest. I will return to watching ourselves eat our own next week. Geaux Tigers and Geaux Gators.
So who in the hell will we vote for in 2008?? I sure hope a REAL conservative emerges before then.
This new breed of "republican" worships at the altar of the dollar. Whatever is good for their pocket, that's it. They would sell their mother for a dollar if they could.
God forbid you say anything you are branded a commie or DU member. What these idiots fail to acknowledge is that the whole premise of capitilism is that you are dealing with some sort of decency and standards. A free for all will end in chaos and anarchy like South America.
As far as I am concerned, I will never volunteer my time again for the GOP. I did it twice, no more.
Because all they want are greenbacks and wetbacks. That's it. $$$$$$$$$$$$
Frankly, I think it's pathetic that George W. Bush would hold the National Security of the American People hostage to his stinking cheap labor program.
And I'M the one who is supposed to "compromise"????
NO WAY.
They don't even call me anymore.
The TRUTH hurts!
LLS
Its not only the border, its spending, CFR, drug bill, etc etc.
I don't see one reason to vote for the GOP over the RATS other than WOT on the margin.
I remember some on this board thinking they were having to make space for GWB on Rushmore?????????
Yeah right!
The reason politicians don't care about illegal immigration is because, while the people care about the issue, they don't vote on the issue. It is never in the top five of issues among voters during presidential campaigns.
"You live like a king yet refuse to pay an honest, working American a decent wage to work for you."
What is the definition of living like a king?
What do you think is a fair wage is for a farm worker, doing what job?
How much do YOU know about farming?
Gay marriage, now there a real reason to vote GOP.
Forget about millions flooding this country to sack it financially, no, gay marriage, that's it.
This is so freaking sad.
Exactly.
" In fact, if you think about it, the U.S. needs the tax base to help support all of the baby boomers who will be heading into retirement. If the U.S. made it easier for immigrants to get a visa, we would be preventing problems that countries such as Japan has with one third of its citizens over the age of 65."
Eliminate the illegal and unconstitutional SS and Medicare and your concerns are solved.
Get every illegal out of the country and arrest anyone that aids or hires one including homeowners.
>>They don't even call me anymore.<<
Next time they call, I'll ask them to remove me from their list and I'll tell them exactly why.
Exactly right, sinkspur.
People do not VOTE the issue ---
one look at the US Congresscritters elected from border states and border towns proves your premise!
You may want to take off your rose colored glasses.
American's, by and large, are interested in the almighty dollar more than life itself, and have been for years.
This is just the chickens coming home to roost.
Please, that caller was disgusting.
There are many businesses, like Rush pointed out, that can't get away making such pathetic excuses. Why should these people be different?
Do you live like Rush? I sure don't, and I sure don't employ illegals and evade taxes.
And there you have folks...the problem in a nutshell.
Everyone raise their hand who is worried about the votes of
Last time I checked MEXICANS are not allowed to vote in our election...
Found this on a local blog
The Plan! (it includes immigration)
Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says "I love New York" in Arabic.
You gotta love Robin Williams...... Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect
plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to
argue with this logic!)
"I see a lot of people yelling for peace
but I have not heard of a plan for
peace. So, here's one plan."
1) "The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those "good 'ole' boys", we will never "interfere" again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave.We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.
4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available
to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.
6) The US will make a strong effort
to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given
to the army. The people who need
it most get very little, if anything.
9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH...learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?
"The Statue of Liberty is no longer
saying "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses." She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' "
Posted by: Brown Red and Glad | March 30, 2006 at 09:33 AM
U.S. citizens that are productive members of society may not be reproducing in adequate numbers, but make no mistake that the class eating up much of the entitlements in this country are reproducing at breakneck speed.
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