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Will Bush Have Been Right All Along?
Human Events ^ | 3/30/06 | David Keene

Posted on 03/30/2006 7:35:18 PM PST by pissant

Democrats who think they will ride to victory in November on a tide of outrage against an ill-conceived war foisted on the American public by a President who spun the intelligence available to justify action against a nation that was no threat to the U.S. may be about to get their comeuppance.

President Bush's critics on the left vehemently reject the President's contention that Iraq's Saddam Hussein was actively collaborating with Osama bin Laden prior to 9/11 as either a fabrication designed to justify the use of military force to unseat the Iraqi dictator or proof that Bush just doesn't understand how the world works. While agreeing that Saddam was no friend, they have argued that there was and is no evidence that he had anything to do with al Qaeda's attacks on the U.S. or that he posed a real or continuing threat either to the U.S. homeland or to our interests in the region.

Their view was buttressed by the conclusion reached by the 9/11 Commission and by our failure to unearth the weapons of mass destruction everyone from the President on down believed our forces would find once they crossed the Iraqi border. In fact, our failure to find these weapons is often almost gleefully cited by Bush's harshest critics as proof that he "lied to the American people" to get us into a war we don’t seem capable of winning.

Some of his critics within what generally been characterized as the neo-conservative community while disagreeing with the left's across the board antipathy to action against Iraq, have nonetheless suggested that the President shouldn’t have relied on either the existence of weapons of mass destruction or the argument that Saddam was somehow part of the al Qaeda conspiracy because, in their view, both are beside the point. Richard Perle, for example, during a recent panel discussion on Iraq scolded the President for even making these arguments. In his view, the President could and should have simply argued that since Hussein was hostile to the United States and ran a tyrannical, undemocratic regime that mistreated innocent Iraqi citizens, we were right to remove him and right to stay in an effort to plant the seeds of democracy in a region that could only benefit from our doing so.

The President's arguments, dependent as they were on intelligence and its analysis, could have been mistaken, but if it is to be assumed that he believed them to be true, they did justify the use of force against the Iraqi regime. It is possible, after all, to be wrong without lying and it wouldn’t be the first time that this nation has acted on the basis of information that has subsequently turned out to be less than persuasive.

The same cannot be said for the neoconservative case for action against Hussein. It is true that Saddam Hussein was hostile to the U.S. and that he was a tyrant. It is even true that the region and its people might well benefit from a dose of democracy, but even though all these things are true none of them individually nor all of them combined would provide sufficient reason to go to war. This justification which is based more on a messianic desire to rebuild the world in our image than in anything even approaching a hard-headed analysis of the sort of threat historically used to justify the use of force by this country, fails on its face.

Consider the implications of the neoconservative arguments. Mr. Mugabe, the crazed ruler of Zimbabwe has made a mockery of democracy in his country, impoverished her citizens and killed his opponents. Zimbabwe is smack in the middle of a region that could certainly benefit from an infusion of democracy and it is unarguably true that a choice between living in Mugabe's Zimbabwe and Hussein’s Iraq would be no choice at all. Still, no one has seriously proposed sending U.S. troops into that unfortunate nation to rescue her citizens from the tyrant who runs the place.

The President's arguments on behalf of the action he took in Iraq are different in that he could still be proved right. It is conceivable that we could still find the weapons everyone thought he had when we went in or that we could find convincing evidence that he had them and either destroyed them or shipped them off to, say, Syria.

What's more, evidence could surface and, indeed, may be surfacing that Hussein wasn't nearly as innocent as Howard Dean and John Kerry would have us believe. After all, it is possible that the 9/11 Commission and not the President was wrong about Saddam and al Qaeda.

That's what at least one member of the commission may now suspect. Nebraska's former Democratic senator, Bob Kerrey, seems to believe that recent revelations could prove that Hussein and bin Laden were, in fact, actively working against U.S. forces in the region in much closer touch than anyone outside the Bush Administration has yet argued.

Kerrey has described the recent revelation of an Iraqi document outlining a 1995 agreement between Hussein and bin Laden to conduct "joint operations" against U.S. forces as "very significant." While Kerrey doesn't seem prepared to believe yet that the documents thus far made public tie Hussein directly to the 9/11 attacks, he says that they "tie him into a circle that meant to damage the United States." He also suggests that as more material comes out, the ties between Hussein and the terrorists who took down the World Trade Center could become much clearer to all.

The folks at MoveOn.org should consider Kerrey's reaction to the document a shot across their bow from a Democrat who believes that the President may be proved right after all and who suspects that the proof could come to light before November's elections.

The Bush Administrations prosecution of the war in Iraq has come under fire from Republican and Democratic critics alike. Some of it has been legitimate and some of it results from the nervousness of politicians facing an election in troubled times, but the Democratic left's arguments against the President could cause a real backlash later this year if, as now seems increasingly likely, evidence comes out making it clear that George W. Bush, and not his opponents, has known what he was talking about all along.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bush43; davidkeene; gwb; iraq; iraqiintelligence; prewardocs
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he was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history.
1 posted on 03/30/2006 7:35:19 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
The media spun it then, and they will spin it now, and the lemmings will buy it.

And the moonbats write the history books.

Go home , already. Aren't you up a little late??????

2 posted on 03/30/2006 7:38:27 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: pissant
he was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history.

Exactly right - History will be very kind to GWB -

But for now each one of us should be doing all we can to inform others (in a non-hostile manner) about the facts regarding the WOT / Iraq -

The WH and RNC need to start again systematically laying out why Saddam was a threat, the connections between Saddam & terrorists & al Qeade (specifically) - And in the backdrop of this message regarding national security keep reminding Americans of the robust economy -

These are the keys to victory in Nov -

3 posted on 03/30/2006 7:40:03 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: teenyelliott

I knew you would waltz back into my life eventually! ;o)

How are you!?

But to answer your question, each and every day the MSM loses viewership and credibility and the alternative media becomes more powerful. Despite a 9 month 24/7 assault by the MSM to paint JF'n Kerry as a war hero and Bush as a liar, he won by 3 million votes in 04. I have confidence that the American people will choose wisely.


4 posted on 03/30/2006 7:41:39 PM PST by pissant
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To: DevSix

I agree. The Whitehouse (Buss/Cheney/Rummy) have been excellent lately. The GOP congresscritters have looked like bickering old ladies.


5 posted on 03/30/2006 7:43:58 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
Well I always have been a glass is half empty kinda girl.

Expect the worst, and you might be pleasantly surprised.

6 posted on 03/30/2006 7:44:28 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: pissant
Allow me to be the first to sling the Bushbot epithet.

I'm not on active duty, but I consider him my Commander-in-Chief.

7 posted on 03/30/2006 7:44:47 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: pissant

bump


8 posted on 03/30/2006 7:46:30 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: teenyelliott

Yes, I know about the glass half empty malady you have. If it works for you, fine. Just don't let it get ya bitter, cause life is far too short for that!


9 posted on 03/30/2006 7:46:33 PM PST by pissant
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Well thank you for your service, active or not.

And I'm happy to be a bushbot, when it comes to the WOT.


10 posted on 03/30/2006 7:49:04 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Bump.


11 posted on 03/30/2006 7:51:42 PM PST by auboy
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To: pissant
The Dems have crawled out on the weak limb of treason.
12 posted on 03/30/2006 7:52:12 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: DevSix

I'm not sure history will be 'kind' to him, but it'll be at least decent toward him.

I think he'll be remembered a lot like Truman. Controversial, but eventually, most will, if only grugingly, admit he was good.

Of course, I think for the most part, he's been great from the beginning.


13 posted on 03/30/2006 7:52:31 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: teenyelliott

Well, even when they lose they still win - remember, all elections were stolen, and Diebold voting machines are in on it... We just can't worry about what they think.


14 posted on 03/30/2006 7:57:54 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle ("Better put some ice on that")
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To: Wristpin

And more than a few "conservatives" are getting weak kneed and providing a branch support to those treasonous bastards.


15 posted on 03/30/2006 7:58:59 PM PST by pissant
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To: All

Vital importance.

US Casualties have plummetted this month in Iraq.


16 posted on 03/30/2006 8:04:19 PM PST by Owen
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To: Owen

And terrorist casualties have gone up


17 posted on 03/30/2006 8:05:29 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
Iraqi memo about intelligence precautions for a secret arab group in Afghanistan.
18 posted on 03/30/2006 8:05:36 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: pissant

I'm happy. I just don't expect too much from people. Then, when they go above and beyond, I am even happier.


19 posted on 03/30/2006 8:07:34 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Great link. For the good info and for this ad picture for Fredericks of Hollywood. ;o)


20 posted on 03/30/2006 8:08:08 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

I tried, and failed, to fit the first paragraph into a tagline. ;-)


21 posted on 03/30/2006 8:08:22 PM PST by quantim (A gullible public is the best friend of a weak politician.)
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To: pissant
he was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history.

Of course. It's beyond me how the left can attack Bush for removing one of the most dangerous mass murdering dictators in our time.

Bush's enemies have lost all rational perspective.

22 posted on 03/30/2006 8:08:29 PM PST by Jorge
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To: pissant
Too bad scare quotes around the word conservative are now necessary on Free Republic, but they are.

The Commander-in-Chief does not have near as many supporters on this forum as one would think

23 posted on 03/30/2006 8:08:30 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: teenyelliott

As long as you're happy. Which indicates to me that you are thankful for the good things in your life.


24 posted on 03/30/2006 8:11:04 PM PST by pissant
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To: quantim

It'd be a helluva tagline!


25 posted on 03/30/2006 8:11:47 PM PST by pissant
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To: Jorge

It will be just like the Little Red Hen and just like Ronald Reagan's defeat of the USSR. 5 years from now everyone will have been "for" getting rid of saddam, just like they were "for" defeating the commies.

We need to disenfect this country of the quisling party, so a legitimate left of centre opposition can arise, one that is patriotic. But I won't hold my breath.


26 posted on 03/30/2006 8:15:01 PM PST by pissant
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Correct. The immigration debate has made some otherwise level headed people jump the shark.


27 posted on 03/30/2006 8:15:59 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Shoot, I am one of the luckiest people in this country. There is nothing I would change about my life. Except maybe my pituitary gland!


28 posted on 03/30/2006 8:16:16 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: pissant

Bookmarked


29 posted on 03/30/2006 8:21:41 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: teenyelliott

Yes, lucky. But I prefer blessed. ;o)


30 posted on 03/30/2006 8:21:43 PM PST by pissant
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To: chaosagent

Are you Ziegfried?


31 posted on 03/30/2006 8:22:15 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history.





The United States of Mexicana will look kindly on him.


32 posted on 03/30/2006 8:23:48 PM PST by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish

Yes so vote in the democrats. So instead of Bush's plan we get Hillary's and Pelosi's.


33 posted on 03/30/2006 8:33:44 PM PST by pissant
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To: Blackirish

I have decided that the only answer to the Mexican question is to make Mexico a state. We're taking care of it anyway.


34 posted on 03/30/2006 8:41:32 PM PST by WVNan
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To: pissant

I'm looking foward to a Pence or Gulliani... a tough skinflint yankee.....after 16 years ..anybody but a Southern big spending good ol boy.


35 posted on 03/30/2006 8:42:23 PM PST by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish

I'm glad you are. Just that no-one is a better CIC right now than the one we have. Support the troops and the mission.


36 posted on 03/30/2006 8:44:32 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
Call it a gut instinct. Dismiss it at will. But I am so absolutely sure that he has been right that I no longer argue with those who disagree in real life.

I am willing to let history take its course. And someday they will hear pollyannaish's voice in the back of their heads whispering a very quiet "I told ya so."
37 posted on 03/30/2006 8:48:40 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pissant

Got no choice ..like Rush says hold their feet to the fire.


38 posted on 03/30/2006 8:49:59 PM PST by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: pissant

Nope


39 posted on 03/30/2006 8:58:18 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: pissant
"The President's arguments, dependent as they were on intelligence and its analysis, could have been mistaken, but if it is to be assumed that he believed them to be true, they did justify the use of force against the Iraqi regime."

IMHO This is the central statement upon which all else hinges.I know the moonbat left sees all sorts of conspiracies and ulterior motives but to me that belies the debate we ought to be having- do we really have the inherent authority to act unilaterally and preemptively? Maybe I'm just 'old school', a Taft/Goldwater republican in a post 911 age.

I think the President acted in good faith, and as he saw his duty to be, on the best available intelligence. But the concept that we can just go in and take out anyone we consider a 'bad guy' on the basis of what they *might* do is one I am not comfortable with. Doesn;t mean I cry for terrorists or don't think we should be preparing for a major piss-up with China but I don't know that I want to see any country have a world empire, even if it's us.
40 posted on 03/30/2006 9:03:54 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA.)
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"The Commander-in-Chief does not have near as many supporters on this forum as one would think"


They suffer from 'convenient lack of memory'.

President G W Bush didn't have the luxury of being able to set up his own cabinet from the day of the election as others have. The left threw every delay they could in his way with their stupid recounts and law suites...one after the other, then had to start operations out of temporary quarters.

I still don't believe he'll let us down on this illegal fiasco. He's too good of a poker player and businessman and I still think he'll produce the winning ace when least expected.

We're damn lucky we have him and it's a travesty that more don't appreciate him or V.P.Cheney.
41 posted on 03/30/2006 10:04:58 PM PST by AmeriBrit (A must see: http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/flash2.html)
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To: pissant

GWB, "he was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history."

All one has to do is to read the recent articles by Stephen F. Hayes in The Weekly Standard. The facts are beginning to spew forward and the links btwn Saddam and Osama bin gone are undeniable, unless you're a wacked out Dim.


42 posted on 03/30/2006 10:08:22 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: RedStateRocker
But the concept that we can just go in and take out anyone we consider a 'bad guy' on the basis of what they *might* do is one I am not comfortable with.

Are you more comfortable with allowing them to kill thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of Americans first?

43 posted on 03/30/2006 10:14:43 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: pissant

"he was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history."

He was right.

But now he's wrong to allow our Mexican border to be invaded. His administration is as though it changed Presidents mid-tenure. He was wrong to invite Ozzie Osborn into the White House and he was wrong to smooch the Saudi Prince and hold hands with him. Saudi Arabia is a persecutor of Christians.


44 posted on 03/31/2006 4:04:06 AM PST by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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To: pollyannaish

ANd there is alot of history to be made in the next 3 years still.


45 posted on 03/31/2006 5:52:13 AM PST by pissant
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To: Blackirish

I agree with doing that, always....ESPECIALLY on immigration. What I don't agree with is some of the slanderous names hurled at GWB.


46 posted on 03/31/2006 5:53:45 AM PST by pissant
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To: chaosagent

Well, that is the only Chaos agent I can remember from Get Smart!


47 posted on 03/31/2006 5:54:41 AM PST by pissant
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To: RedStateRocker

I think the USA putting a stamp on the ME was necessary. Either now, or in 10 years when more nuclear powers sprung up.

If Afghanistan and Iraq can continue progress, there will be at a minimum two muslim countries that actively fight terrorists, as opposed to coddle them. Hell, even Saudi Arabia is purging Al Quaeda types, and the future of Lebannon and Libya has already improved due to the Iraq invasion.


48 posted on 03/31/2006 5:58:48 AM PST by pissant
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To: Rembrandt

Yep. Stephen Hayes has been the catalyst for the avalanche of information coming out now. Give that man a Pulitzer.


49 posted on 03/31/2006 6:00:26 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Dems are going to misunderestimate Bush & Rove again. Dems WILL NOT take the House and Senate in '06.


50 posted on 03/31/2006 6:04:37 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in blue state)
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