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Will Bush Have Been Right All Along?
Human Events ^ | 3/30/06 | David Keene

Posted on 03/30/2006 7:35:18 PM PST by pissant

Democrats who think they will ride to victory in November on a tide of outrage against an ill-conceived war foisted on the American public by a President who spun the intelligence available to justify action against a nation that was no threat to the U.S. may be about to get their comeuppance.

President Bush's critics on the left vehemently reject the President's contention that Iraq's Saddam Hussein was actively collaborating with Osama bin Laden prior to 9/11 as either a fabrication designed to justify the use of military force to unseat the Iraqi dictator or proof that Bush just doesn't understand how the world works. While agreeing that Saddam was no friend, they have argued that there was and is no evidence that he had anything to do with al Qaeda's attacks on the U.S. or that he posed a real or continuing threat either to the U.S. homeland or to our interests in the region.

Their view was buttressed by the conclusion reached by the 9/11 Commission and by our failure to unearth the weapons of mass destruction everyone from the President on down believed our forces would find once they crossed the Iraqi border. In fact, our failure to find these weapons is often almost gleefully cited by Bush's harshest critics as proof that he "lied to the American people" to get us into a war we don’t seem capable of winning.

Some of his critics within what generally been characterized as the neo-conservative community while disagreeing with the left's across the board antipathy to action against Iraq, have nonetheless suggested that the President shouldn’t have relied on either the existence of weapons of mass destruction or the argument that Saddam was somehow part of the al Qaeda conspiracy because, in their view, both are beside the point. Richard Perle, for example, during a recent panel discussion on Iraq scolded the President for even making these arguments. In his view, the President could and should have simply argued that since Hussein was hostile to the United States and ran a tyrannical, undemocratic regime that mistreated innocent Iraqi citizens, we were right to remove him and right to stay in an effort to plant the seeds of democracy in a region that could only benefit from our doing so.

The President's arguments, dependent as they were on intelligence and its analysis, could have been mistaken, but if it is to be assumed that he believed them to be true, they did justify the use of force against the Iraqi regime. It is possible, after all, to be wrong without lying and it wouldn’t be the first time that this nation has acted on the basis of information that has subsequently turned out to be less than persuasive.

The same cannot be said for the neoconservative case for action against Hussein. It is true that Saddam Hussein was hostile to the U.S. and that he was a tyrant. It is even true that the region and its people might well benefit from a dose of democracy, but even though all these things are true none of them individually nor all of them combined would provide sufficient reason to go to war. This justification which is based more on a messianic desire to rebuild the world in our image than in anything even approaching a hard-headed analysis of the sort of threat historically used to justify the use of force by this country, fails on its face.

Consider the implications of the neoconservative arguments. Mr. Mugabe, the crazed ruler of Zimbabwe has made a mockery of democracy in his country, impoverished her citizens and killed his opponents. Zimbabwe is smack in the middle of a region that could certainly benefit from an infusion of democracy and it is unarguably true that a choice between living in Mugabe's Zimbabwe and Hussein’s Iraq would be no choice at all. Still, no one has seriously proposed sending U.S. troops into that unfortunate nation to rescue her citizens from the tyrant who runs the place.

The President's arguments on behalf of the action he took in Iraq are different in that he could still be proved right. It is conceivable that we could still find the weapons everyone thought he had when we went in or that we could find convincing evidence that he had them and either destroyed them or shipped them off to, say, Syria.

What's more, evidence could surface and, indeed, may be surfacing that Hussein wasn't nearly as innocent as Howard Dean and John Kerry would have us believe. After all, it is possible that the 9/11 Commission and not the President was wrong about Saddam and al Qaeda.

That's what at least one member of the commission may now suspect. Nebraska's former Democratic senator, Bob Kerrey, seems to believe that recent revelations could prove that Hussein and bin Laden were, in fact, actively working against U.S. forces in the region in much closer touch than anyone outside the Bush Administration has yet argued.

Kerrey has described the recent revelation of an Iraqi document outlining a 1995 agreement between Hussein and bin Laden to conduct "joint operations" against U.S. forces as "very significant." While Kerrey doesn't seem prepared to believe yet that the documents thus far made public tie Hussein directly to the 9/11 attacks, he says that they "tie him into a circle that meant to damage the United States." He also suggests that as more material comes out, the ties between Hussein and the terrorists who took down the World Trade Center could become much clearer to all.

The folks at MoveOn.org should consider Kerrey's reaction to the document a shot across their bow from a Democrat who believes that the President may be proved right after all and who suspects that the proof could come to light before November's elections.

The Bush Administrations prosecution of the war in Iraq has come under fire from Republican and Democratic critics alike. Some of it has been legitimate and some of it results from the nervousness of politicians facing an election in troubled times, but the Democratic left's arguments against the President could cause a real backlash later this year if, as now seems increasingly likely, evidence comes out making it clear that George W. Bush, and not his opponents, has known what he was talking about all along.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bush43; davidkeene; gwb; iraq; iraqiintelligence; prewardocs
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
"The Commander-in-Chief does not have near as many supporters on this forum as one would think"


They suffer from 'convenient lack of memory'.

President G W Bush didn't have the luxury of being able to set up his own cabinet from the day of the election as others have. The left threw every delay they could in his way with their stupid recounts and law suites...one after the other, then had to start operations out of temporary quarters.

I still don't believe he'll let us down on this illegal fiasco. He's too good of a poker player and businessman and I still think he'll produce the winning ace when least expected.

We're damn lucky we have him and it's a travesty that more don't appreciate him or V.P.Cheney.
41 posted on 03/30/2006 10:04:58 PM PST by AmeriBrit (A must see: http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/flash2.html)
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To: pissant

GWB, "he was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history."

All one has to do is to read the recent articles by Stephen F. Hayes in The Weekly Standard. The facts are beginning to spew forward and the links btwn Saddam and Osama bin gone are undeniable, unless you're a wacked out Dim.


42 posted on 03/30/2006 10:08:22 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: RedStateRocker
But the concept that we can just go in and take out anyone we consider a 'bad guy' on the basis of what they *might* do is one I am not comfortable with.

Are you more comfortable with allowing them to kill thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of Americans first?

43 posted on 03/30/2006 10:14:43 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: pissant

"he was right then, and he is right now. And he will crush his critics in history."

He was right.

But now he's wrong to allow our Mexican border to be invaded. His administration is as though it changed Presidents mid-tenure. He was wrong to invite Ozzie Osborn into the White House and he was wrong to smooch the Saudi Prince and hold hands with him. Saudi Arabia is a persecutor of Christians.


44 posted on 03/31/2006 4:04:06 AM PST by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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To: pollyannaish

ANd there is alot of history to be made in the next 3 years still.


45 posted on 03/31/2006 5:52:13 AM PST by pissant
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To: Blackirish

I agree with doing that, always....ESPECIALLY on immigration. What I don't agree with is some of the slanderous names hurled at GWB.


46 posted on 03/31/2006 5:53:45 AM PST by pissant
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To: chaosagent

Well, that is the only Chaos agent I can remember from Get Smart!


47 posted on 03/31/2006 5:54:41 AM PST by pissant
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To: RedStateRocker

I think the USA putting a stamp on the ME was necessary. Either now, or in 10 years when more nuclear powers sprung up.

If Afghanistan and Iraq can continue progress, there will be at a minimum two muslim countries that actively fight terrorists, as opposed to coddle them. Hell, even Saudi Arabia is purging Al Quaeda types, and the future of Lebannon and Libya has already improved due to the Iraq invasion.


48 posted on 03/31/2006 5:58:48 AM PST by pissant
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To: Rembrandt

Yep. Stephen Hayes has been the catalyst for the avalanche of information coming out now. Give that man a Pulitzer.


49 posted on 03/31/2006 6:00:26 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Dems are going to misunderestimate Bush & Rove again. Dems WILL NOT take the House and Senate in '06.


50 posted on 03/31/2006 6:04:37 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in blue state)
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To: pissant; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Ooo! Ooo! I know I know!! YES!!

Will Bush Have Been Right All Along?

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51 posted on 03/31/2006 6:07:56 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: pissant
George W. Bush, and not his opponents, has known what he was talking about all along

BUMP

52 posted on 03/31/2006 6:09:26 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: RoadTest

I will be the first to admit that GWB has had several major blunders. Signing CFR was one gross blunder, especially since he KNEW it was at a minimum of questionable constitutionality.

GWB could still come off as the wiser guy in the this immigration reform fiasco, if he simply adjusted his argument. He should say:

"yes, we need a guest worker program, and we will work to create one that is fair, transparent, and does not give lawbreakers an upper hand in applying for citizenship. But it will take several years to build up the infrastructure of such a program. And in the meantime, we are going to secure the borders so that illegal entry becomes next to impossible, and we will increase our resources dramatically to speed up apprehensions and deportations."

It really is barely a departure from what he is calling for now, but puts the emphasis where it belongs - security and deportations.


53 posted on 03/31/2006 6:09:58 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Any Democrat who didn't at least pause at the following relevation is too stupid to be in office:

(Zell Miller read this on the floor of the Senate):

Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)

In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
March 28, 2004, NewsMax
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1


54 posted on 03/31/2006 6:17:26 AM PST by Peach
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To: teddyballgame

But it will be because of Bush and Rove, not Ken Mehlman and the RNC.


55 posted on 03/31/2006 6:18:03 AM PST by pissant
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To: eyespysomething

Eyespy, thanks for keeping track of all this info. It's very important for someone to do so, and you are doing a great job.


56 posted on 03/31/2006 6:20:47 AM PST by pissant
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To: Peach

Excellent post Peach!


57 posted on 03/31/2006 6:21:38 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

The Democrats must believe that OBL and Saddam were just gossiping and OBL slipped in the little tidbit that he planned to attack the world's super power in NY and Washington. Just a couple of guys gossiping over the water cooler. You know. Happens all the time.


58 posted on 03/31/2006 6:23:10 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

Interesting post. I had never heard about that speech Zell Miller made pre-9/11 or the reference to Sinatra's New York, New York. Learn something every day here.


59 posted on 03/31/2006 6:23:47 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: Peach

They don't believe it anymore, at least the smart ones. I'm already seeing a change in tactics. Haven't heard "Bush lied us into war" much from the dims lately.


60 posted on 03/31/2006 6:25:17 AM PST by pissant
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