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Police fire pepper spray at California high school students
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Posted on 03/30/2006 7:57:34 PM PST by rockbobster

A mob scene unfolded at Oceanside High School on Mission Avenue Wednesday morning when about 200 students tried to leave campus, only to be blocked by police officers toting pepper-spray pellet guns and wearing riot gear.

The scene at the campus subsided as school let out this afternoon and protesting students headed for the Oceanside Bandshell at the beach. Three boys have been arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly throwing chunks of concrete at officers during the incident at the school.

Tensions arose at the school just before noon, when several hundred students tried to leave campus in protest of proposed immigration policies.

Officers shot pepper-spray-filled pellets at the ground as students shook a locked fence surrounding the school. The students were chanting, "One people united will never be divided."

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1 posted on 03/30/2006 7:57:37 PM PST by rockbobster
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To: rockbobster

And our politicians want more of this riffraff. It must pay them handsomely.


2 posted on 03/30/2006 8:00:01 PM PST by John Filson
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To: rockbobster
..."One people united will never be divided."

They're inadvertently right about that.

3 posted on 03/30/2006 8:00:13 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: rockbobster

Expel the miscreants. That'll teach them what taxpayer funded education is all about. let 'em pick grapes for a living if they don't like it.


4 posted on 03/30/2006 8:06:44 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: rockbobster

under what authority can the police prevent students from leaving campus? truancy laws? I don't think those would apply to students who are 16 or older, certainly not to those who are 18. And I seriously doubt truancy laws can be used in this manner - students may have their parent's permision to leave for all the police know. A student leaving school and going home with his parent's permission wouldn't be guilty of truancy.


5 posted on 03/30/2006 8:08:16 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: Flashlight
A student leaving school and going home with his parent's permission wouldn't be guilty of truancy.

Did the kid bring a note? The parent needs to send a note or talk to an administrator by phone. The school usually gives the kid a pass of some kind to leave. I doubt this happened with all of these kids. Truant.

6 posted on 03/30/2006 8:14:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Flashlight
Tensions arose at the school just before noon, when several hundred students tried to leave campus in protest of proposed immigration policies.

Hello, permits and the like? Plus the fact that some of these cherubs were hurling concrete at John Law.

7 posted on 03/30/2006 8:14:38 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: All

Passes? We don't need no steenkin' passes.


8 posted on 03/30/2006 8:26:47 PM PST by RedsHunter
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To: rockbobster

Oceanside is right outside the front gate of the USMC's
Camp Pendelton, California.


9 posted on 03/30/2006 9:27:15 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: Flashlight

I just know that in our area - that if a school is in lockdown mode, no students may leave, note from mommy or not. I did not see where this school was officially in lockdown mode other than the locked gate.


10 posted on 03/30/2006 9:36:36 PM PST by daybreakcoming (If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
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To: Right Wing Assault
did the kid bring a note? etc...

Note or not, police have no authority to prevent anyone from leaving a school. This is a free country. Technically, like I said, they can arrest a kid who is AWOL from school, but that means actually picking up a kid once he's outside the school area, not blocking the exits.

And, like I said, I don't think 16- or 17-year-olds and certainly not 18-year-olds can be picked up for truancy. All those students should be free to go wherever they want - if the school has a problem with that they're free to expel the kid for breaking the rules. But they commit no crime by leaving the school.

11 posted on 03/30/2006 10:13:11 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: thegreatbeast
Hello, permits and the like? Plus the fact that some of these cherubs were hurling concrete at John Law

If they're assembling without a permit, the police can read them the riot act and tell them to disperse - they can't just block everyone from leaving the school.

If they're hurling concrete the police can either arrest the hurlers or order the mob to disperse or both. They can't block the school exits. I can understand police doing that if the safety of the public or the students would be at risk (for example, in a lockdown situation) but that doesn't apply here - everyone just wanted to leave to walk to a protest.

I'd like to know what the cops were doing there in the first place blocking the exits - it looks like they're the cause of all the trouble.

The school is free to enforce their rules by telling everyone that "if you leave, we will expel you" or something like that. The police have no business blocking school exits.

12 posted on 03/30/2006 10:22:20 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: Flashlight
"...- if the school has a problem with that they're free to expel the kid for breaking the rules."

Schools don't actually expel anyone anymore. They are compensated on a per-head basis and don't want to lose the funds.

13 posted on 03/30/2006 10:24:43 PM PST by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: daybreakcoming
I did not see where this school was officially in lock-down mode

lock-down mode is definitely a different situation. But, like you said, it doesn't look like that applies here.

14 posted on 03/30/2006 10:25:05 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
maybe the cops wanted to get a part in walk out part two by edward james almos?I really dont see how they can legally block exits and prevent students from leaving a school building and using pepper spray and bean bag guns to keep people inside. At the very least blocking the exits is a fire code violation. Thne you start spraying and shooting stun guns at people that moves it up to assault in my opinion. But hey the police just shined thier jackboots and they got all these fancy toys they might as well practice up now for their future drug raids right.

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15 posted on 03/30/2006 10:40:13 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: rockbobster

Sons and daughters of illegal aliens and their supporters.

They already act like they own the country.

And in a sense they do.

The first thing they did when they came into this country was to break the law.

Then they parade around in broad daylight without anyone so much as saying "boo" to them.

Its all over but the crying.


16 posted on 03/30/2006 10:46:27 PM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: freepatriot32
I'm with you on this. And what an over-reaction by the school. All they had to do is just have every kid who leaves sign out, as they hand him a notice of his probable punnishment for breaking the school rules by leaving - whether it is suspension, detention, loss of eligibility for extracurricular activities, failing grades for classes missed, or whatever.

Kids who don't care about the punnishment just leave and they risk the consequences. No different than any kid being caught skipping a class.

17 posted on 03/30/2006 10:50:25 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: rockbobster

Pepper spray at Mexicans? There's a pretty obvious joke in there. What's next, spraying beer at Germans?


18 posted on 03/30/2006 10:52:36 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: rockbobster
I just remembered a cool "protest" that my high-school class perpetrated on our poor principal:

Our senior class of about 500 was in the gym for a mid-day assembly for something I don't remember. For some reason, when it was time for the assembly to end, some student said that we should all just stay there and not leave to go to our next class. So we stayed, everyone getting in a good mood and figuring, hey, let's all just stay here.

About five or ten minutes passed with no one leaving, and everyone just chuckling and wondering what would happen if we all just stayed.

Then the principal, in what was to be the most humiliating moment of his career, came up to the podium and sternly warned us (about 500 of us) that anyone who stays and doesn't go now to their next class will be marked as an unexcused absence and have to serve detention.

Immediate loud laughter from the whole crowd followed. Then more laughter as we all imagined our whole class of 500 in one big detention. Nobody left then - it was now a big party atmosphere. Eventually after about 5 or ten more minutes people started to leave as they figured, what the hell do we want to stay here for anyway? Most of us just stayed, but as the crowd slowly dwindled it started to seem pretty stupid to just stay there, so our big "protest" ended. Nobody, of course, got any detention as a result.

19 posted on 03/30/2006 11:09:56 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: Flashlight
If they're assembling without a permit, the police can read them the riot act and tell them to disperse - they can't just block everyone from leaving the school.

Do you think the police are so dumb that this didn't occur to them and given as an option to a mob of TEENAGERS before lobbing teargas at them?
Who do you suppose called the police if not the school administrators, who know all to well what mischief 200 kids can get up to? Did the cops divine that something was up at the high school?

20 posted on 03/31/2006 12:00:54 AM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: rockbobster

they should have just stood outside the gates with a bunch of citation books. kids are all obviously skipping class, hand each one a $200 fine and tell them to have fun.


21 posted on 03/31/2006 5:26:26 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Right Wing Assault

Yeah, most of them probablly are truant, or would be if allowed to leave the grounds, but pepper spray to combat truancy seems like overkill.


22 posted on 03/31/2006 7:43:47 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Still Thinking

True. It would be nice to hear both sides of the story correctly rather than from the news media.



23 posted on 03/31/2006 2:03:14 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: rockbobster
[The scene at the campus subsided as school let out this afternoon and protesting students headed for the Oceanside Bandshell at the beach. Three boys have been arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly throwing chunks of concrete at officers during the incident at the school.]

Sounds a bit like what the Palestinians are doing.
24 posted on 03/31/2006 2:11:07 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Flashlight

Here in Houston there is a curfew ordinance. That's what they're arresting them on.


25 posted on 03/31/2006 2:12:51 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: Flashlight

We went on strike when I was in 4th grade, because the substitute teacher had sent a kid in early from a softball game during p.e. for cussing. We took our bats and walked around the courtyard yelling "W'ere on Strike! We're on Strike!" until the principal came out, and I guess we were pretty scared of him cuz we dispersed when he started snarling at us.

I was soooo scared I was going to be in trouble that when my Mom picked me up I thought I'd better get in a preemptive confession so I told her what had happened. I couldn't understand why she wasn't saying anything, and when I looked over she was biting her lip to keep from cracking up.

This was during the height of the Vietnam protests, btw, Spring of 1969.


26 posted on 03/31/2006 2:19:07 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Yeah, that's true. The J-screwl grads are utterly dependable. The way they tell the story is almost never the way it actually happened.


27 posted on 03/31/2006 2:22:54 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: rockbobster
" Officers shot pepper-spray-filled pellets at the ground as students shook a locked fence surrounding the school "

Hmmm why not wait to lock the gates until they have left?. Then refuse entry for the rest of the term to them, that way those who appreciate the education TAX PAYERS have provided for them can actually learn,in peace and quiet.

28 posted on 03/31/2006 2:27:06 PM PST by Kakaze (I'm now a single issue voter.....exterminate Al Quaida)
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To: thegreatbeast
Do you think the police are so dumb that this didn't occur to them and given as an option to a mob of TEENAGERS before lobbing teargas at them?

Whether they did or didn't doesn't matter. Cops have no business blocking school exits in a non-emergency situation.

Who do you suppose called the police if not the school administrators, who know all to well what mischief 200 kids can get up to? Did the cops divine that something was up at the high school?

I'm well aware that the school informed the police that at 11am tons of kids were planning to leave to go to the protest. I'd assume that the gate-blocking decision was made by both the police and the school admins.

There was no reason for the police to be anywhere near the school. Schools often close mid-day for teacher's conferences, unleashing many hundreds of teens to roam the street - and nobody even notices. What makes this any different, other than the kids were breaking school rules by leaving, and most of them had a common destination? They need tear gas to keep this "mob" inside the school when they all get out anyways in 3 or 4 hours?

There was no "mob" until a bunch of kids were threatened with an immediate tear gassing for skipping school. And any kid there who may have respected the local cops will now fear them and consider them his enemy. I really can't believe how the cops could have been involved in anything this stupid.

29 posted on 03/31/2006 3:06:31 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: Flavius Josephus
Here in Houston there is a curfew ordinance. That's what they're arresting them on.

You really think there's an 11am curfew in Los Angeles? Doesn't curfew mean "not be out after a certain time?"

I read that arrests and detainments were made with a variety of excuses, from truancy to disobeying an officer to disorderly conduct.

But what's that got to do with blocking school exits and threating tear gassing to whoever leaves??

30 posted on 03/31/2006 3:12:18 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: Flashlight
Cops have no business blocking school exits in a non-emergency situation.

They were there to keep it from becoming an emergency situation.

There was no "mob" until a bunch of kids were threatened with an immediate tear gassing for skipping school. And any kid there who may have respected the local cops will now fear them and consider them his enemy. I really can't believe how the cops could have been involved in anything this stupid.

You should have stated at the outset that you were there and had such a command of the situation.

31 posted on 03/31/2006 3:39:48 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: thegreatbeast
They were there to keep it from becoming an emergency situation...

No they weren't. There was no threat at all of any kind of emergency situation being created. All indications were that all the students were going to leave to go to join a protest (and no doubt many if not most would just use the protest as an excuse to leave school early and just go home or wherever).

Everyone would be free to leave after school hours anyways. What's the difference if they get out a couple hours early? There was no reason that the school couldn't have just handled this as just kids skipping class, which is all that it was.

You should have stated at the outset that you were there and had such a command of the situation.

I only know what I read from the local newspaper articles. I'm speculating based on those - if I'm wrong about something I'd like to be corrected. (Seriously. This story, as I read about it, just seems outrageous to me. Maybe I'm making some false assumptions; maybe there's some info I'm missing which would make the police action understandable.)

32 posted on 03/31/2006 8:04:03 PM PST by Flashlight
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To: Flashlight
Maybe I'm making some false assumptions...

I think you are. But I could be wrong. The fact is that I trust the police in these situations rather than a mob of kids. My belief will come up and bite me in the ass occasionally but stands me in good stead most of the time.

33 posted on 04/01/2006 7:18:27 AM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: John Filson
It must pay them handsomely.

I'm sure we all have no idea how handsomely.

I'd like to know at some point, in detail.
But not now.
I just had an omelet and I'd like not to have it reverse direction in midstream.

34 posted on 04/01/2006 7:21:07 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: Flavius Josephus
Here in Houston there is a curfew ordinance. That's what they're arresting them on...

I must apologize to you for my "do you really think that LA has an 11am curfew?" comment, and stand corrected.

Apparently, in LA, the "curfew" law is used to enforce what most of us would call "truancy" to arrest school-age kids between 8:30am - 1:30pm on school days.

Also, this curfew-truancy law applies even to 16 and 17 year olds who are enrolled in school - I was surprised to learn that. (It doesn't apply to those school-kids 18 and over, though).

my source was this leftist "students' right to walkout" information: http://www.nlg-la.org/student_rights.pdf

I did notice a cool Contitutional loophole that students could use to protect themselves from LA curfew laws - local curfew laws don't apply to students in motor vehicles engaged in intertate travel. All students have to do to avoid a curfew-truancy arrest in LA is to all jump in somebody's car, start the car and announce that they're all going for an interstate road trip. (They could say that they're going to Washington, DC, for example, to protest in person to the govt.)

Any truancy arrest would be thrown out (and the kids could even sue for false arrest), since the local cops can't interfere with interstate travel.

35 posted on 04/01/2006 7:57:52 PM PST by Flashlight
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