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Whose Backlash?
RealClear Politics ^ | 03/31/06 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/31/2006 1:41:16 AM PST by peyton randolph

Most Americans I talked to in California summed up their reactions to the marches as something like, 'Why would anyone wave the flag of the country that they would never return to--and yet scream in anger at those with whom they wish to stay?' Depending on the particular questions asked, polls reveal that somewhere around 60-80% of the public is vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.

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There are over 300 million resident Americans, and the vast majority of them are citizens. Had the demonstrators marched chanting "God Bless America," confined their flag waving to Old Glory, and expressed thanks to a magnanimous United States that gave them a second chance when a corrupt Mexico has precluded their first, then they would have won public support.

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Yes, illegal immigration provides a valuable source of cheap labor. But such jobs are not just those Americans will never take, but comprise work that they won't seek out at such cheap wages. Where compensation rises, citizen workers will follow.

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Unless we curb the present influx, return to the melting pot, and salvage a legal remedy from the present illegal disaster, what we saw this week may only be the beginning of something far more dangerous from both sides of this avoidable crisis.


 

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; aztlan; borderlist; closethebordersnow; illegals; immigration; mexico; nacos; nationalsecurity; reconquista; vdh; victordavishanson
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No amnesty. Not now. Not ever. Secure the borders. Deport. Bring in legal immigrants who stood in line to get here, have more to contribute, and want to assimilate.

This is the United States...not Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos.

1 posted on 03/31/2006 1:41:17 AM PST by peyton randolph
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To: peyton randolph
The Liberals scream that this is "the worst economy since the Depression," but at the same time call for the Amnesty of the 11+ million illegals in this country because they are doing jobs that America needs (i.e., cutting lawns, etc.)

Can anyone explain the logic of a Liberal?

2 posted on 03/31/2006 2:04:12 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (A Liberal by any other name is still a Hypocrite)
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To: peyton randolph

How ironic. The illegals demand reconquista as the Senate provides more sanctuary. The mind boggles.


3 posted on 03/31/2006 2:06:43 AM PST by Rapscallion (Only a temporary tax is more permanent than a temporary worker.)
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To: peyton randolph

The whole thing makes me sick. Did you see what those little stinkers did with our flag at Montebello HS?


4 posted on 03/31/2006 2:16:57 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("Life is a box of chocolates. Eat them before they eat you ".---me.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Did you see what those little stinkers did with our flag at Montebello HS?
Yes. They should have been knee-capped and deported. Hard to cross the border without functional knees.
5 posted on 03/31/2006 2:35:51 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: La Enchiladita; goldstategop

*PING*

VDH is the author of "Mexifornia."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594030561/sr=8-1/qid=1143802320/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1207430-5754363?%5Fencoding=UTF8


6 posted on 03/31/2006 2:51:38 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph; ConservativeStLouisGuy; Lunatic Fringe
SPUE (Society for the Prevention of Unnecessary Excerpting; check the list) to the rescue once again:
March 31, 2006

Whose Backlash?

By Victor Davis Hanson

Hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens, along with Mexican-Americans and Hispanics in general, hit the streets throughout the United States this past week in one of the largest displays of public outrage since the Vietnam-War era.

The conventional wisdom was that the supposedly spontaneous outbursts of immigrant pride and anger took lawmakers by surprise. In response, politicians may backtrack on some of the tougher proposals concerning border enforcement, from constructing a wall to deportations. The media tended to emphasize the heartfelt anguish of the demonstrators, who often on selected televised clips carried American flags and were shown reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

But here in Central California that is not the public face of the demonstrations that we saw--which were mostly angry and, in the case of truant high-school students, so often unfortunately characterized by Mexican chauvinism, if not overt racism of the La Raza ("the race") type. And while these public outbursts were for the present just noisy, the private counter-reactions to them, I fear, are going to grow larger and angrier still.

If many thousands of illegal aliens marched in their zeal, many more millions of Americans of all different races and backgrounds watched--and seethed. They were struck by the Orwellian incongruities--Mexican flags, chants of "Mexico, Mexico," and the spectacle of illegal alien residents lecturing citizen hosts on what was permissible in their own country.

If the demonstrators thought that they were bringing attention to their legitimate grievances--the sheer impossibility of deporting 11 million residents across the border or the hypocrisy of Americans de facto profiting from "illegals" who cook their food, make their beds, and cut their lawns--they seemed oblivious to the embarrassing contradictions of their own symbolism and rhetoric. Most Americans I talked to in California summed up their reactions to the marches as something like, 'Why would anyone wave the flag of the country that they would never return to--and yet scream in anger at those with whom they wish to stay?' Depending on the particular questions asked, polls reveal that somewhere around 60-80% of the public is vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.

When schools were dismissed due to student walkouts and traffic disrupted, Americans began to see the wages of their own indifference to the problems of illegal immigration. Insidiously over the last 30 years we have allowed an entire apartheid community to grow up in enclaves in the American Southwest and occasionally beyond--one by language and psyche that may well feel more romantically attached to the Mexico it left and won't return to the United States it sought out and must stay in.

To understand the backlash to all this that is rising, think back to the 2003 California recall election for governor. When it was clear that Gray Davis had lost public support and was finished, for a while it looked as if Democratic Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante might well be a shoo-in. After all, California was a solidly blue state, and the Republican challengers, actor and political novice Arnold Schwarzenegger and the unknown State Senator Tom McClintock, would probably split the minority Republican vote.

But then Bustamante very quickly began to scare the electorate. He was unapologetic about his past MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán) ties, even when that otherwise irrelevant radical student group's mottos and separatist constitution found their way into the public discourse. He tried to redefine his unsavory fund-raising with the Indian gaming industry as a point of ethnic pride, promised driver's licenses for illegal aliens, and then aired seemingly suicidal television ads showing him shouting to Latino crowds in a sea of waving red flags.

At the time I remember a liberal friend of mine from the Bay Area calling up, rather shaken, asking in disbelief, "Who is this guy and why does he always scream to screamers?" Bustamante was subsequently trounced and couldn't receive a third of the vote from a liberal electorate that, he apparently forgot, once passed overwhelmingly ballot propositions banning state aid to illegal aliens, racial preferences in hiring, and bilingual education.

Something of the same backlash may soon follow these demonstrations. There are over 300 million resident Americans, and the vast majority of them are citizens. Had the demonstrators marched chanting "God Bless America," confined their flag waving to Old Glory, and expressed thanks to a magnanimous United States that gave them a second chance when a corrupt Mexico has precluded their first, then they would have won public support.

As for as the immigration debate itself, we all know the truth that we suppress and the lies that we voice. Language has been the first casualty of our disingenuousness. "Illegal alien" is a descriptive, not a racist, term. In contrast, "undocumented worker" is deliberately misleading, since in most cases documents were never at issue, and not all aliens are workers. "Racism" has nothing to do with a failed system that appalls Asian- and African-Americans alike, as well as bewilders frustrated and patient Koreans, Punjabis, Africans, and Filipinos who did not cut ahead in the long legal immigration line. "Nativist" means nothing when Americans presently welcome in more legal immigrants that any other nation on earth.

Yes, illegal immigration provides a valuable source of cheap labor. But such jobs are not just those Americans will never take, but comprise work that they won't seek out at such cheap wages. Where compensation rises, citizen workers will follow.

Yes, most aliens work hard, but a small minority of them do not, and find themselves involved in criminal activity. And given the large pool of illegal immigrants from Mexico, that small minority can still reach several thousands--such as the nearly 15,000 aliens currently locked up in the California penal system alone, at a cost of a half-billion public dollars a year.

Yes, immigrants contribute more than receive--but mostly when they are young, single, and hale. As they age, become ill, marry, and have children, those without education, English, and legality naturally draw on entitlements for a semblance of parity with American citizens otherwise impossible for such minimum wage earners.

So what fails and what works? Bilingual education in our schools, multicultural romance about a mythical Aztlan in our universities, guest worker programs that institutionalize helot status, salad-bowl separatism, and millions who cross the border illegally, all have contributed to the present disaster. But as we see with second- and third-generation model Mexican-American citizens, English immersion, acceptance of an American identity, integration, intermarriage and assimilation, legal and monitored immigration in the thousands from Mexico--all that guarantees immigrants success and energizes us the host.

Americans recoil at the volatile ethnic enclaves in France and the Netherlands--and can understand how such tribalism could quickly escalate to sectarian violence in Iraq, the Balkans, and Rwanda. Unless we curb the present influx, return to the melting pot, and salvage a legal remedy from the present illegal disaster, what we saw this week may only be the beginning of something far more dangerous from both sides of this avoidable crisis.

Victor Davis Hanson is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the author of Mexifornia. A State of Becoming (Encounter 2003).

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7 posted on 03/31/2006 2:53:40 AM PST by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: upchuck
Thank you for posting the entire article. Hanson is right, but offers no specific plan of his own. The President in dead set on trying to please everyone (he travels to Mexico to unveil his immigration proposal -- why? Who is he trying to please most of all?

I am more frightened of a weak-willed White House than I am of any invasion or insurrection, because the people themselves can handle the latter. And, for the first time in 62 months, I will SUPPORT a Republican-led revolt against the President I worked and voted for! I can see no point in passing any 'reform' that includes yet another amnesty for law-breakers.

(**Deep sigh of regret**)

8 posted on 03/31/2006 3:25:02 AM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Mass immigration and mass indoctrination of illegals is the current marxist strategy to gain power.)
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To: peyton randolph
This is the United States...not Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos

Unfortunately, our government will fail us on this issue. We are truly witnessing a process that will rip apart this once great Republic. Unless a leader arises with the strength and courage to lead Congress and the nation to act decisively, we are doomed. Seeing the Mexican flag flying in this country in defiance made my blood boil. It would be easy to deport millions of illegals -- we just need the will. WWII was much more difficult and we arose to the occasion. The idiots who say it is impossible only wish to our Republic die (to their joy)

9 posted on 03/31/2006 3:29:13 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: liberty2004

I saw a man on O'Reilly last night, he was debating Michelle Malkin and he finally fessed up to what their plan is. It's to turn North America into a European Union. Which means, we will have open borders, the US will provide all of the work, our people can reap all of the benefits like healthcare and education etc. and we (the mexican goverment) won't have to be responsible for anything. Just like it is now.

The Mexican goverment has alot at stake here, basically their whole economy, money wired back is second only to oil revenue. They have come to rely on the sugar teat of the US. Too bad, it's time to end it now.

Oh, and another thing that just flabbergasted me, a caller suggested to Sean Hannity that the mexican people reform their own goverment. His response was, it would be to hard and take generations. Thank god Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin et al didn't think that way!!!!!!!


10 posted on 03/31/2006 3:49:07 AM PST by panthermom
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To: peyton randolph
- An open border with a turd world country

- A Republican President kissing the butt of a turd world dictator

- A dead asleep congress, completely out of touch with the majority of americans and

- Never having to waste time voting again-priceless...

12 posted on 03/31/2006 4:08:44 AM PST by austinite
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To: Cowboy Bob

Liberalism is logic free. It is based upon emotion and feeling.


13 posted on 03/31/2006 4:13:31 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: upchuck
When schools were dismissed due to student walkouts and traffic disrupted, Americans began to see the wages of their own indifference to the problems of illegal immigration.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

More than immigration Americans are indifferent to the indoctrination that goes on in our government schools.

If we had rational schools children would not have been permitted to leave their government schools, and if they did so they would have suffered consequences.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education. Even then it might be too late since it is the liberal-Marxist types who are drawn to the profession of teaching.
14 posted on 03/31/2006 4:26:38 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: peyton randolph

A general observation\prediction: '06 will be remembered as the year the shite hit the fan.


15 posted on 03/31/2006 4:39:36 AM PST by TalBlack (I WON'T suffer the journalizing or editorializing of people who are afraid of the enemies of freedom)
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To: upchuck; B4Ranch; calcowgirl

Multiculturalism, says VDH? It's alive and well right here on FR. Who knew?


16 posted on 03/31/2006 4:39:48 AM PST by John Filson
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To: Cowboy Bob



I have tried to understand why President Bush has had such a tin ear to this problem

This past week, everything became crystal clear.

This is about nothing more than money.

If we use the conservative figure of 11,000,000 illegals and we charge them $ 2,000 to buy their citizenship, we are looking at over $ 2,000,000,000.

This money will disappear just like the tobacco money disappeared.

Any time a problem arises, I try to give the President the benefit of the doubt, because I genuinely like him so much.Unfortunately, for me, this is the last straw.

President Bush is not a true conservative.

Bring back President Ronald Reagan.


17 posted on 03/31/2006 4:41:53 AM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: panthermom
"It's to turn North America into a European Union. Which means, we will have open borders, the US will provide all of the work, our people can reap all of the benefits like healthcare and education etc. and we (the mexican goverment) won't have to be responsible for anything. Just like it is now. "


I learned this as well last week listening to a local radio program in KCMO. A local editor of a Spanish paper was being interviewed about the 1,000 or so that showed up in a KCKS park protest called a Day without Latinos. The vast majority are not interesting in becoming citizens, they are demanding no border, come and go as they wish. They want the benefits of being US citizens but are not demanding citizenship.
18 posted on 03/31/2006 4:48:56 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: babydoll22
Bush was never a conservative, but would you really have voted for algore or kerry(vietnam?)?

I really worry that we have created our own little plo or is it mlo??? This threat I don't think I can ignore.

19 posted on 03/31/2006 4:55:26 AM PST by cb
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To: peyton randolph
Why are the Unions staying so quiet on this? I have to wonder if there is not the anticipation that once the illegals are made legal the next push will be to raise that minimum wage again and unionize the newly legal workers.
20 posted on 03/31/2006 5:14:43 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: peyton randolph
Some say that Mexico has the right to take back what they see as their country that was lost to war. The Spaniards that came to America were after gold and murdered and destroyed many cities. They destroyed the American Indian culture. Now the Mexicans want to come for our "gold" and destroy our culture. If you really believe that they have a right to the land then you have to believe that the Native Americans have more right to this land than the Spaniards and Mexicans.
21 posted on 03/31/2006 5:32:55 AM PST by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: Cowboy Bob
The Liberals scream that this is "the worst economy since the Depression," but at the same time call for the Amnesty of the 11+ million illegals in this country because they are doing jobs that America needs (i.e., cutting lawns, etc.)

The company that cuts my lawn is made up of 2 teams of 3 guys each. They charge me $25 to cut my lawn. I was here once when they did it. They unloaded 2 of those fast power motors that you stand up and drive, while the third guy uses a weed-eater. It takes them less that 10 minutes to mow my lawn (they don't bag it) from the time they pull up until they pull out. They do a good job, and they're all US citizens. They manage to make a pretty good living, from what they tell me, though it is hard work.

Can anyone explain the logic of a Liberal?

Liberals don't use logic, because it would refute their beliefs.

Mark

22 posted on 03/31/2006 5:48:28 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: upchuck; peyton randolph; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out.

Links: FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=victordavishanson 
His website: http://victorhanson.com/     NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

23 posted on 03/31/2006 6:26:49 AM PST by Tolik
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To: babydoll22

Bring back 8track music, mainframe computers, banking hours, landline telephones, 3 tv networks, etc etc

...don't wish for what is past, work for the future.


24 posted on 03/31/2006 6:37:14 AM PST by maica (You are being lied to. By elements in the media determined that Iraq must fail. - Ralph Peters)
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To: Tolik; Freee-dame
So what fails and what works? Bilingual education in our schools, multicultural romance about a mythical Aztlan in our universities, guest worker programs that institutionalize helot status, salad-bowl separatism, and millions who cross the border illegally, all have contributed to the present disaster. But as we see with second- and third-generation model Mexican-American citizens, English immersion, acceptance of an American identity, integration, intermarriage and assimilation, legal and monitored immigration in the thousands from Mexico--all that guarantees immigrants success and energizes us the host.

VDH brings so many life experiences to this debate. He really is the voice that I respect the most.

25 posted on 03/31/2006 6:40:43 AM PST by maica (You are being lied to. By elements in the media determined that Iraq must fail. - Ralph Peters)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the ping.


26 posted on 03/31/2006 6:47:15 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: peyton randolph

I've emailed both my senators (hopeless I live in Wi), Frist, and called my congressman that this is a top priority for me and my family, that I will not support the GOP unless they support closing the border, no amnesty. This is the issue I will part ways with the GOP on unless they get with it.


27 posted on 03/31/2006 6:50:06 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Cowboy Bob

Worst economy etc... is the stablemate to insisting that Bush allow NO domestic drilling or production while at the same time blaming Bush for high oil prices.

I guess they think voters don't notice their pre-school logic.


28 posted on 03/31/2006 6:53:06 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: liberty2004
Unfortunately, our government will fail us on this issue. We are truly witnessing a process that will rip apart this once great Republic.

This argument over illegal immigration goes to the heart of our American project of self-government. It is about the people reasserting their sovereign rights as citizens to govern themselves through democratically enacted legislation. It is about whether the people's will (and not that of a wealthy and unaccountable ruling elite) will be honored by our elected officials and whether our democratically enacted laws will be enforced by our chief executive -- the President. In short, it is about whether the 219 year old experiment in republican self-government won for us by our founders will be declared officially null and void and replaced by the rule of a political and business oligarchy that substitutes its private interest and agendas for the common good.

"We the people" have made our wishes to control our borders and prevent businesses from hiring illegal aliens loud and clear for decades yet we have had imposed on us by our elected officials an open borders, no enforcement policy that we have rejected time and again. We need a majority of the House members to loudly call for the President to protect our borders and stop trying to force an amnesty program down our throats again. If the President refuses to perform his oath of office and enforce our democratically enacted laws then the House should bring impeachment charges.

Americans are being victimized every day at the hands of criminal illegal immigrants and the President and Congress share blame in each and every crime an illegal immigrant commits as well as for all the economic harm caused by the illegal invasion of our nation. By his ongoing failure to enforce the democratically enacted laws against illegal immigration President Bush has shown his contempt both for democratic self-governance and the American people. His arrogant refusal to perform his constitutional duty should be met with the one remedy provided by the Constitution to protect the people against the usurpation of their legislative authority -- impeachment. It is now well past time for Congress to assert the rights of the American people to self-government.

29 posted on 03/31/2006 7:10:26 AM PST by politeia
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To: peyton randolph
Had the demonstrators marched chanting "God Bless America," confined their flag waving to Old Glory, and expressed thanks to a magnanimous United States that gave them a second chance when a corrupt Mexico has precluded their first, then they would have won public support.

And if this were their real attitude, most of us wouldn't have a problem finding some way to legalize them.

But it isn't their attitude. They think we owe them something.

To quote a much more eloquent man than myself, an illegal immigrant is no more an undocumented immigrant than a rapist is an undocumented boyfriend.
30 posted on 03/31/2006 7:30:53 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: peyton randolph
Unless we curb the present influx, return to the melting pot, and salvage a legal remedy from the present illegal disaster, what we saw this week may only be the beginning of something far more dangerous from both sides of this avoidable crisis.

If we don't do something, it's going to start looking like Israel around here, except instead of hearing 'Allahu Akbar!' before someone blows himsef up it's going to be hearing 'Aztlan libre!'
31 posted on 03/31/2006 7:36:46 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: cb; Just mythoughts; mountainlyons; MarkL; maica; Tolik; Freee-dame; Supernatural; ...
cb wrote:

Bush was never a conservative, but would you really have voted for algore or kerry(vietnam?)?

I really worry that we have created our own little plo or is it mlo??? This threat I don't think I can ignore.

My, my...it sounds like your reading my mind.

Jo Nuvark wrote about a demonstration in Washington, D.C. on the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend here.

Posted by Supernatural to abigailsmybaby; TheForceOfOne; Jo Nuvark; All On News/Activism 03/30/2006 11:36:57 AM PST · 124 of 138

RE: MILLION AMERICAN MARCH ON WASHINGTON

I just emailed Rush, Jim Quinn and Rose from the Quinn show.

Email addresses are:

Rush: rush@eib.net

Quinn: quinn@warroom.com

Rose: rose@warroom.com

Savage: paulreveresociety@yahoo.net

Savage is next on my list. Here is what I have already told the others.

Hi, Rush (or whichever one the email is to).

A bunch of people at the FRee Republic (www.freerepublic.com) are trying to organize a national protest of the illegal alien situation at the Washington, D.C. Mall on the Sunday before Memorial Day.

Events there would include the burning of the Mexican flag and guest speakers denouncing the illegal alien situation. Hopefully some politicians can be persuaded to come and speak.

We are hoping that you could announce this on your radio show to see what kind of support it would generate.

If 500,000 illegals and their supporters can gather on the streets of L.A. we should be able to do much better.

Thanks for any support you can give this idea.

Name address phone number I think we have enough talent available on FR to pull it off.

52 posted on 03/30/2006 4:17:28 PM EST by Jo Nuvark

IMHO, it's time for the descendants of the Silent Majority to get up off their asses and be THERE AND BE HEARD!

The time is long since past that we have let all the wackjobs of the left and their islamofascist fellow travelers have a monopoly on REALLY BIG political demonstrations!!!

If you have a ping list, why don't you spread the word?

32 posted on 03/31/2006 9:12:15 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: liberty2004
It would be easy to deport millions of illegals -- we just need the will.

Your right. It was done in the early 1950's. It was called "Operation Wetback" definitely not PCand not my term, anyway it was done then it could be done today.
33 posted on 03/31/2006 9:26:47 AM PST by Isabelle
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To: neverdem; doug from upland; peyton randolph; eeevil conservative

Doug from Upland is promoting a mailer campaign. I was thinking of using this (courtesy of peyton randolph)...

Using a pink card (i.e. a "pink slip")

Dear (fill in)

If you wish to remain in your legislative
position any longer, the following is required.

No amnesty to illegals. Not now. Not ever.
Secure the borders. Deport illegals.
Allow LEGAL immigrants who stood in line
to get here, have more to contribute, and
WANT to assimilate.

Or... lose the House and Senate in November.

Registered Voter
Name
District


34 posted on 03/31/2006 9:28:24 AM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: peyton randolph

We're in wine country and talking to neighbors about steps we can take to push Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein (our Wicked Witches of the West) to defy their liberal instincts and personal investments (wineries, restaurants, etc.)

Taking pictures of: day laborers, of our neighborhood transformation into a barrio, ignoring day-to-day laws, etc., - parking in front of fire hydrants for ex.

We're calling the zoning commission and asking if we're zoned for boarding houses or inns. When they say no, we're letting them know that homes around here, sold to families, are housing 12 and more adult males with the families.

We're going to send copies of the letters and enclosures to the Congressmen on the right side of the issue as well.

Small but important steps.


35 posted on 03/31/2006 9:29:02 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Looks good. My campaign is actually calling businesses and threatening not to patronize them unless they convince you that they are not hiring illegals.


36 posted on 03/31/2006 9:36:24 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

I have a question.

I let my undocumented house keeper go to search for a documented replacement. I called services and asked if they pay taxes. I settled on a company that I was satisfied to be a legitimate, licensed, tax paying company.

I am now fairly certain that the workers they send are undocumented. I pay the company, but THEY are hiring illegals. Does that make me an employer who hires illegals?


37 posted on 03/31/2006 9:42:16 AM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: peyton randolph
"But such jobs are not just those Americans will never take, but comprise work that they won't seek out at such cheap wages".

I used to work for U.S. Steel at the Clairton Works. It was the second larges coke producing plant in the world at the time.

There were many jobs there that were foul and unpleasing beyond description. Coke ovens so hot that you had to wear protective clothing and wooden soles on your shoes three inches high to keep from getting burned.

Blast furnace jobs, rolling mill jobs...

They were all tough work but THEY ALL PAID GOOD MONEY! A person could buy a decent home and raise a family on the money.

But if the money wasn't good enough, people wouldn't have worked there.

Americans will do ANY job if the money is good enough.

The jobs Americans don't want to do are low paying jobs that don't pay the bills.

Make all the jobs low paying enough and there will be no Americans working and all the jobs will be taken by illegal aliens.

And the middle class of working people in this country will be destroyed.

Which is exactly what the politicians in this country seem to want.

If I can figure this out, if anyone foolish enough to believe that our politicians can't figure it out?
38 posted on 03/31/2006 9:43:41 AM PST by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I finally listened after the 3rd time it was on. She wasn't as dumb as I expected.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june06/pelosi_3-30.html
39 posted on 03/31/2006 9:45:13 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Jo Nuvark; doug from upland

BTW, the post card idea should get some attention!


40 posted on 03/31/2006 9:50:17 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Pelosi! Nah. That's just her "Charlie Macarthy" imitation. Wonder who's working her mouth? (sarc)


41 posted on 03/31/2006 9:50:25 AM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: peyton randolph
I've said this before and I will say it again, those waving Mexican flags and chanting they want their land back do not seek to assimilate, ever.

If Congress gives amnesty to these invaders who do not recognize our laws or our sovereignty, then it is only a matter of time before they gain enough votes in some of our states to demand the right to secede from the union which the Government won't allow.

If and when they are rejected the situation will grow violent and civil war will erupt between us and millions of illegals who were granted citizenship.

At that time the real Americans (those who came here legally and assimilated into our society) will revolt bringing both the Democratic and Republican party to its knees for failing to uphold our laws and allow this to happen. Yes, I do believe even some Democrats (not all) will join the revolt.
42 posted on 03/31/2006 9:51:35 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (El Chupacabra spotted near U.S./Mexican border feeding on illegal immigrants. Pass it on..)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I am not sure, but I think I remember WalMart paying an enormous fine for having illegal workers. As I recall, they hired a service that provided the workers but still got nailed. Wait, it wasn't a fine. I think they settled a lawsuit for not paying the workers enough.


43 posted on 03/31/2006 9:55:55 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Looks great! Neat idea.


44 posted on 03/31/2006 10:01:00 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: neverdem


pink slip


Dear ____________________________

As your employer, I must ask that you improve your performance in the following areas.

1. No amnesty to illegals. Not now. Not ever.
2. Secure the borders.
3. Deport illegals.
4. Only allow immigrants to enter the United States who:
a. have OBEYED OUR LAWS by standing in line.
b. have been SCREENED for communicable diseases.
c. ASSIMILATE by learning English and by paying taxes.

Failure to comply may result in termination of your services.

Registered Voter
Name
District


45 posted on 03/31/2006 10:19:37 AM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Jo Nuvark

GOOD IDEA!

;-)


46 posted on 03/31/2006 10:21:19 AM PST by eeevil conservative (I'm not racist- I'm an Equal Opportunity Enemy of ALL LAWBREAKING, TAX DODGING, FENCE CLIMBERS!)
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To: babydoll22
I have tried to understand why President Bush has had such a tin ear to this problem

He doesn't. He just sees it differently. He promised no nation building in Iraq but sees no problem building a "new America" right here.

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

47 posted on 03/31/2006 10:26:20 AM PST by raybbr
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

ping


48 posted on 03/31/2006 10:28:52 AM PST by raybbr
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To: peyton randolph
Where compensation rises, citizen workers will follow.

Sounds like a call to raise the minimum wage by about $5.00/hour.

49 posted on 03/31/2006 12:52:06 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: peyton randolph

No amnesty. Not now. Not ever. Secure the borders. Deport. Bring in legal immigrants who stood in line to get here, have more to contribute, and want to assimilate.

I agree.


50 posted on 03/31/2006 12:53:05 PM PST by samcgwire (samcgwire was not here today)
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