Posted on 03/31/2006 1:41:16 AM PST by peyton randolph
Most Americans I talked to in California summed up their reactions to the marches as something like, 'Why would anyone wave the flag of the country that they would never return to--and yet scream in anger at those with whom they wish to stay?' Depending on the particular questions asked, polls reveal that somewhere around 60-80% of the public is vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.
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There are over 300 million resident Americans, and the vast majority of them are citizens. Had the demonstrators marched chanting "God Bless America," confined their flag waving to Old Glory, and expressed thanks to a magnanimous United States that gave them a second chance when a corrupt Mexico has precluded their first, then they would have won public support.
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Yes, illegal immigration provides a valuable source of cheap labor. But such jobs are not just those Americans will never take, but comprise work that they won't seek out at such cheap wages. Where compensation rises, citizen workers will follow.
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Unless we curb the present influx, return to the melting pot, and salvage a legal remedy from the present illegal disaster, what we saw this week may only be the beginning of something far more dangerous from both sides of this avoidable crisis.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
This is the United States...not Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos.
Can anyone explain the logic of a Liberal?
How ironic. The illegals demand reconquista as the Senate provides more sanctuary. The mind boggles.
The whole thing makes me sick. Did you see what those little stinkers did with our flag at Montebello HS?
*PING*
VDH is the author of "Mexifornia."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594030561/sr=8-1/qid=1143802320/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1207430-5754363?%5Fencoding=UTF8
March 31, 2006Whose Backlash?
By Victor Davis Hanson
Hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens, along with Mexican-Americans and Hispanics in general, hit the streets throughout the United States this past week in one of the largest displays of public outrage since the Vietnam-War era.
The conventional wisdom was that the supposedly spontaneous outbursts of immigrant pride and anger took lawmakers by surprise. In response, politicians may backtrack on some of the tougher proposals concerning border enforcement, from constructing a wall to deportations. The media tended to emphasize the heartfelt anguish of the demonstrators, who often on selected televised clips carried American flags and were shown reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
But here in Central California that is not the public face of the demonstrations that we saw--which were mostly angry and, in the case of truant high-school students, so often unfortunately characterized by Mexican chauvinism, if not overt racism of the La Raza ("the race") type. And while these public outbursts were for the present just noisy, the private counter-reactions to them, I fear, are going to grow larger and angrier still.
If many thousands of illegal aliens marched in their zeal, many more millions of Americans of all different races and backgrounds watched--and seethed. They were struck by the Orwellian incongruities--Mexican flags, chants of "Mexico, Mexico," and the spectacle of illegal alien residents lecturing citizen hosts on what was permissible in their own country.
If the demonstrators thought that they were bringing attention to their legitimate grievances--the sheer impossibility of deporting 11 million residents across the border or the hypocrisy of Americans de facto profiting from "illegals" who cook their food, make their beds, and cut their lawns--they seemed oblivious to the embarrassing contradictions of their own symbolism and rhetoric. Most Americans I talked to in California summed up their reactions to the marches as something like, 'Why would anyone wave the flag of the country that they would never return to--and yet scream in anger at those with whom they wish to stay?' Depending on the particular questions asked, polls reveal that somewhere around 60-80% of the public is vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.
When schools were dismissed due to student walkouts and traffic disrupted, Americans began to see the wages of their own indifference to the problems of illegal immigration. Insidiously over the last 30 years we have allowed an entire apartheid community to grow up in enclaves in the American Southwest and occasionally beyond--one by language and psyche that may well feel more romantically attached to the Mexico it left and won't return to the United States it sought out and must stay in.
To understand the backlash to all this that is rising, think back to the 2003 California recall election for governor. When it was clear that Gray Davis had lost public support and was finished, for a while it looked as if Democratic Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante might well be a shoo-in. After all, California was a solidly blue state, and the Republican challengers, actor and political novice Arnold Schwarzenegger and the unknown State Senator Tom McClintock, would probably split the minority Republican vote.
But then Bustamante very quickly began to scare the electorate. He was unapologetic about his past MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán) ties, even when that otherwise irrelevant radical student group's mottos and separatist constitution found their way into the public discourse. He tried to redefine his unsavory fund-raising with the Indian gaming industry as a point of ethnic pride, promised driver's licenses for illegal aliens, and then aired seemingly suicidal television ads showing him shouting to Latino crowds in a sea of waving red flags.
At the time I remember a liberal friend of mine from the Bay Area calling up, rather shaken, asking in disbelief, "Who is this guy and why does he always scream to screamers?" Bustamante was subsequently trounced and couldn't receive a third of the vote from a liberal electorate that, he apparently forgot, once passed overwhelmingly ballot propositions banning state aid to illegal aliens, racial preferences in hiring, and bilingual education.
Something of the same backlash may soon follow these demonstrations. There are over 300 million resident Americans, and the vast majority of them are citizens. Had the demonstrators marched chanting "God Bless America," confined their flag waving to Old Glory, and expressed thanks to a magnanimous United States that gave them a second chance when a corrupt Mexico has precluded their first, then they would have won public support.
As for as the immigration debate itself, we all know the truth that we suppress and the lies that we voice. Language has been the first casualty of our disingenuousness. "Illegal alien" is a descriptive, not a racist, term. In contrast, "undocumented worker" is deliberately misleading, since in most cases documents were never at issue, and not all aliens are workers. "Racism" has nothing to do with a failed system that appalls Asian- and African-Americans alike, as well as bewilders frustrated and patient Koreans, Punjabis, Africans, and Filipinos who did not cut ahead in the long legal immigration line. "Nativist" means nothing when Americans presently welcome in more legal immigrants that any other nation on earth.
Yes, illegal immigration provides a valuable source of cheap labor. But such jobs are not just those Americans will never take, but comprise work that they won't seek out at such cheap wages. Where compensation rises, citizen workers will follow.
Yes, most aliens work hard, but a small minority of them do not, and find themselves involved in criminal activity. And given the large pool of illegal immigrants from Mexico, that small minority can still reach several thousands--such as the nearly 15,000 aliens currently locked up in the California penal system alone, at a cost of a half-billion public dollars a year.
Yes, immigrants contribute more than receive--but mostly when they are young, single, and hale. As they age, become ill, marry, and have children, those without education, English, and legality naturally draw on entitlements for a semblance of parity with American citizens otherwise impossible for such minimum wage earners.
So what fails and what works? Bilingual education in our schools, multicultural romance about a mythical Aztlan in our universities, guest worker programs that institutionalize helot status, salad-bowl separatism, and millions who cross the border illegally, all have contributed to the present disaster. But as we see with second- and third-generation model Mexican-American citizens, English immersion, acceptance of an American identity, integration, intermarriage and assimilation, legal and monitored immigration in the thousands from Mexico--all that guarantees immigrants success and energizes us the host.
Americans recoil at the volatile ethnic enclaves in France and the Netherlands--and can understand how such tribalism could quickly escalate to sectarian violence in Iraq, the Balkans, and Rwanda. Unless we curb the present influx, return to the melting pot, and salvage a legal remedy from the present illegal disaster, what we saw this week may only be the beginning of something far more dangerous from both sides of this avoidable crisis.
I am more frightened of a weak-willed White House than I am of any invasion or insurrection, because the people themselves can handle the latter. And, for the first time in 62 months, I will SUPPORT a Republican-led revolt against the President I worked and voted for! I can see no point in passing any 'reform' that includes yet another amnesty for law-breakers.
(**Deep sigh of regret**)
Unfortunately, our government will fail us on this issue. We are truly witnessing a process that will rip apart this once great Republic. Unless a leader arises with the strength and courage to lead Congress and the nation to act decisively, we are doomed. Seeing the Mexican flag flying in this country in defiance made my blood boil. It would be easy to deport millions of illegals -- we just need the will. WWII was much more difficult and we arose to the occasion. The idiots who say it is impossible only wish to our Republic die (to their joy)
I saw a man on O'Reilly last night, he was debating Michelle Malkin and he finally fessed up to what their plan is. It's to turn North America into a European Union. Which means, we will have open borders, the US will provide all of the work, our people can reap all of the benefits like healthcare and education etc. and we (the mexican goverment) won't have to be responsible for anything. Just like it is now.
The Mexican goverment has alot at stake here, basically their whole economy, money wired back is second only to oil revenue. They have come to rely on the sugar teat of the US. Too bad, it's time to end it now.
Oh, and another thing that just flabbergasted me, a caller suggested to Sean Hannity that the mexican people reform their own goverment. His response was, it would be to hard and take generations. Thank god Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin et al didn't think that way!!!!!!!
- A Republican President kissing the butt of a turd world dictator
- A dead asleep congress, completely out of touch with the majority of americans and
- Never having to waste time voting again-priceless...
Liberalism is logic free. It is based upon emotion and feeling.
A general observation\prediction: '06 will be remembered as the year the shite hit the fan.
Multiculturalism, says VDH? It's alive and well right here on FR. Who knew?
I have tried to understand why President Bush has had such a tin ear to this problem
This past week, everything became crystal clear.
This is about nothing more than money.
If we use the conservative figure of 11,000,000 illegals and we charge them $ 2,000 to buy their citizenship, we are looking at over $ 2,000,000,000.
This money will disappear just like the tobacco money disappeared.
Any time a problem arises, I try to give the President the benefit of the doubt, because I genuinely like him so much.Unfortunately, for me, this is the last straw.
President Bush is not a true conservative.
Bring back President Ronald Reagan.
I really worry that we have created our own little plo or is it mlo??? This threat I don't think I can ignore.
The company that cuts my lawn is made up of 2 teams of 3 guys each. They charge me $25 to cut my lawn. I was here once when they did it. They unloaded 2 of those fast power motors that you stand up and drive, while the third guy uses a weed-eater. It takes them less that 10 minutes to mow my lawn (they don't bag it) from the time they pull up until they pull out. They do a good job, and they're all US citizens. They manage to make a pretty good living, from what they tell me, though it is hard work.
Can anyone explain the logic of a Liberal?
Liberals don't use logic, because it would refute their beliefs.
Mark

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Bring back 8track music, mainframe computers, banking hours, landline telephones, 3 tv networks, etc etc
...don't wish for what is past, work for the future.
VDH brings so many life experiences to this debate. He really is the voice that I respect the most.
Thanks for the ping.
I've emailed both my senators (hopeless I live in Wi), Frist, and called my congressman that this is a top priority for me and my family, that I will not support the GOP unless they support closing the border, no amnesty. This is the issue I will part ways with the GOP on unless they get with it.
Worst economy etc... is the stablemate to insisting that Bush allow NO domestic drilling or production while at the same time blaming Bush for high oil prices.
I guess they think voters don't notice their pre-school logic.
This argument over illegal immigration goes to the heart of our American project of self-government. It is about the people reasserting their sovereign rights as citizens to govern themselves through democratically enacted legislation. It is about whether the people's will (and not that of a wealthy and unaccountable ruling elite) will be honored by our elected officials and whether our democratically enacted laws will be enforced by our chief executive -- the President. In short, it is about whether the 219 year old experiment in republican self-government won for us by our founders will be declared officially null and void and replaced by the rule of a political and business oligarchy that substitutes its private interest and agendas for the common good.
"We the people" have made our wishes to control our borders and prevent businesses from hiring illegal aliens loud and clear for decades yet we have had imposed on us by our elected officials an open borders, no enforcement policy that we have rejected time and again. We need a majority of the House members to loudly call for the President to protect our borders and stop trying to force an amnesty program down our throats again. If the President refuses to perform his oath of office and enforce our democratically enacted laws then the House should bring impeachment charges.
Americans are being victimized every day at the hands of criminal illegal immigrants and the President and Congress share blame in each and every crime an illegal immigrant commits as well as for all the economic harm caused by the illegal invasion of our nation. By his ongoing failure to enforce the democratically enacted laws against illegal immigration President Bush has shown his contempt both for democratic self-governance and the American people. His arrogant refusal to perform his constitutional duty should be met with the one remedy provided by the Constitution to protect the people against the usurpation of their legislative authority -- impeachment. It is now well past time for Congress to assert the rights of the American people to self-government.
Bush was never a conservative, but would you really have voted for algore or kerry(vietnam?)?
I really worry that we have created our own little plo or is it mlo??? This threat I don't think I can ignore.
My, my...it sounds like your reading my mind.
Jo Nuvark wrote about a demonstration in Washington, D.C. on the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend here.
Posted by Supernatural to abigailsmybaby; TheForceOfOne; Jo Nuvark; All On News/Activism 03/30/2006 11:36:57 AM PST · 124 of 138
RE: MILLION AMERICAN MARCH ON WASHINGTON
I just emailed Rush, Jim Quinn and Rose from the Quinn show.
Email addresses are:
Rush: rush@eib.net
Quinn: quinn@warroom.com
Rose: rose@warroom.com
Savage: paulreveresociety@yahoo.net
Savage is next on my list. Here is what I have already told the others.
Hi, Rush (or whichever one the email is to).
A bunch of people at the FRee Republic (www.freerepublic.com) are trying to organize a national protest of the illegal alien situation at the Washington, D.C. Mall on the Sunday before Memorial Day.
Events there would include the burning of the Mexican flag and guest speakers denouncing the illegal alien situation. Hopefully some politicians can be persuaded to come and speak.
We are hoping that you could announce this on your radio show to see what kind of support it would generate.
If 500,000 illegals and their supporters can gather on the streets of L.A. we should be able to do much better.
Thanks for any support you can give this idea.
Name address phone number I think we have enough talent available on FR to pull it off.
52 posted on 03/30/2006 4:17:28 PM EST by Jo Nuvark
IMHO, it's time for the descendants of the Silent Majority to get up off their asses and be THERE AND BE HEARD!
The time is long since past that we have let all the wackjobs of the left and their islamofascist fellow travelers have a monopoly on REALLY BIG political demonstrations!!!
If you have a ping list, why don't you spread the word?
Doug from Upland is promoting a mailer campaign. I was thinking of using this (courtesy of peyton randolph)...
Using a pink card (i.e. a "pink slip")
Dear (fill in)
If you wish to remain in your legislative
position any longer, the following is required.
No amnesty to illegals. Not now. Not ever.
Secure the borders. Deport illegals.
Allow LEGAL immigrants who stood in line
to get here, have more to contribute, and
WANT to assimilate.
Or... lose the House and Senate in November.
Registered Voter
Name
District
We're in wine country and talking to neighbors about steps we can take to push Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein (our Wicked Witches of the West) to defy their liberal instincts and personal investments (wineries, restaurants, etc.)
Taking pictures of: day laborers, of our neighborhood transformation into a barrio, ignoring day-to-day laws, etc., - parking in front of fire hydrants for ex.
We're calling the zoning commission and asking if we're zoned for boarding houses or inns. When they say no, we're letting them know that homes around here, sold to families, are housing 12 and more adult males with the families.
We're going to send copies of the letters and enclosures to the Congressmen on the right side of the issue as well.
Small but important steps.
Looks good. My campaign is actually calling businesses and threatening not to patronize them unless they convince you that they are not hiring illegals.
I have a question.
I let my undocumented house keeper go to search for a documented replacement. I called services and asked if they pay taxes. I settled on a company that I was satisfied to be a legitimate, licensed, tax paying company.
I am now fairly certain that the workers they send are undocumented. I pay the company, but THEY are hiring illegals. Does that make me an employer who hires illegals?

BTW, the post card idea should get some attention!
Pelosi! Nah. That's just her "Charlie Macarthy" imitation. Wonder who's working her mouth? (sarc)
I am not sure, but I think I remember WalMart paying an enormous fine for having illegal workers. As I recall, they hired a service that provided the workers but still got nailed. Wait, it wasn't a fine. I think they settled a lawsuit for not paying the workers enough.
Looks great! Neat idea.
GOOD IDEA!
;-)
He doesn't. He just sees it differently. He promised no nation building in Iraq but sees no problem building a "new America" right here.
| We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture. Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende. For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America. As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico. George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000. |
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster
ping
Sounds like a call to raise the minimum wage by about $5.00/hour.
No amnesty. Not now. Not ever. Secure the borders. Deport. Bring in legal immigrants who stood in line to get here, have more to contribute, and want to assimilate.
I agree.
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