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Immigration and the GOP Is it still the party of Reagan, or of Tom Tancredo?
Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/31/2006 | Review and OUtlook

Posted on 03/31/2006 3:41:14 AM PST by pageonetoo

As Congress battles over immigration, the consequences are likely to be far greater than the details of border walls or green cards. The most important political outcome may turn out to be the message that Republicans send about the kind of the party they are and hope to be.

To wit, do Republicans want to continue in the Reagan tradition of American optimism and faith in assimilation that sends a message of inclusiveness to all races? Or will they take another one of their historical detours into a cramped, exclusionary policy that tells millions of new immigrants, and especially Hispanics, that they belong somewhere else?...

...The immediate danger is that Republicans will ignore their longer-term interests by passing a punitive, and poll-driven, anti-immigration bill this election year. Any bill that merely harasses immigrants and employers, and stacks more cops on the border, may win cheers in the right-wing blogosphere. However, it will do nothing to address the economic incentives that will continue to exist for poor migrants to come to America to feed their families. And it will make permanent enemies of millions of Hispanics, without doing anything to draw illegals out of the shadows and help them assimilate into the mainstream of American culture and citizenship.

This is not Ronald Reagan's view of America as a "shining city on a hill." It is the chauvinist conservatism usually associated with the European right. How Republicans conduct and conclude their immigration debate will show the country which kind of "conservative" party they want to be.

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KEYWORDS: gop; illegalimmigration; illegals; invaders; rino; wsj
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And it will make permanent enemies of millions of Hispanics, without doing anything to draw illegals out of the shadows and help them assimilate into the mainstream of American culture and citizenship....

I didn't see too many friendlies in the streets this week!

1 posted on 03/31/2006 3:41:17 AM PST by pageonetoo
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To: pageonetoo

WSJ just wants cheap labor for the companies, these are the Rockefeller wing of the party.

They disregard or are ignorant that the GOP took control because of the larger social conservative wing of the party.
They feel it's their country club republicans who are the driving force of the GOP,
Next year, they are in for a rude awakening when a democratic controlled congress starts to tax the heck out of them. And the social conservatives don't back this 3% of the population.


2 posted on 03/31/2006 3:48:40 AM PST by wrathof59
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To: pageonetoo
"exclusionary policy that tells millions of new immigrants, and especially Hispanics, that they belong somewhere else?...

The illegal criminals who are mexican are NOT NEW IMMIGRANTS ones who respect America and Americans and our laws, they are illegal "immigrants" better known as invaders, so get your blasted facts straight idiots!

3 posted on 03/31/2006 3:50:01 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: stopem
...But there have also been costs, and parts of America have borne more than have others. The border states in particular have experienced more crime and social disruption, as well as the cost to local taxpayers of "free" health care and education for illegal immigrants. To the extent they work and pay rent, illegals do pay for those government services. But we don't dismiss lightly the anxiety that many Americans feel at this rapid pace of demographic change. Well meaning politicians, such as Arizona Senator Jon Kyl, who feel obliged to respond to that anxiety in this election year are not part of the nativist brigades...

Ten mexicans paying rent for one house will never pay for the huge costs to our country for medical and welfare benefits to these INVADERS. I just don't understand how they can say all this without putting: /Sarcasm...

4 posted on 03/31/2006 3:54:09 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: wrathof59
The Republicans are now using on conservatives the old tired method usually used by liberals. They are insulting our core beliefs in hope of shaming us into submission. I grew up in Seattle and dealt with this stuff for years, didn't work then and it wont work now. To purposefully muddy the waters between legal and illegal is frankly a cowards way of framing his losing argument. We are not against immigration, just illegal immigration and that point needs to be hammered home by those on our side. Its sad to say but the republicans are making a huge mistake if they are trying to get re elected. I may not vote democrat ever, but not voting at all is a serious consideration, or maybe just voting at the local level and for my Congressman.
5 posted on 03/31/2006 3:55:19 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: pageonetoo

The WSJ speaks for people who can reap the profits of cheap labor but wall themselves off from the consequences that the rest of us have to bear.

A cheap labor world is great for people who live off of returns from capital. Lousy for people who live on paychecks.


6 posted on 03/31/2006 3:57:39 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: pageonetoo
It's awfully nice that Senator John Kyl feels so obligated to respond to the concerns (not anxiety) of those who voted him into office (not "the nativist brigades")
7 posted on 03/31/2006 4:03:53 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: pageonetoo

PS notice that the Evangelicals, Falwell, Robertson, have been extremely quiet about this issue that has turned into a crisis.


8 posted on 03/31/2006 4:06:27 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: pageonetoo
I am paraphrasing his words, but someone many of us know said, "He who climbs over the fence, and does not go through the gate is a thief."
9 posted on 03/31/2006 4:06:38 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: pageonetoo
Actually I hope it is the party of Reagan, since tancredo looking at his resume has never worked in a wealth creating business in his life.

tancredo has either worked in govt.(teacher or legislator) or in a non-waelth producing think tank.

10 posted on 03/31/2006 4:08:14 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Sam the Sham

At this time I support the party of Tancredo.


11 posted on 03/31/2006 4:08:35 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: pageonetoo

"To wit, do Republicans want to continue in the Reagan tradition of American optimism and faith in assimilation that sends a message of inclusiveness to all races?"
Not with La Razza signs and Mexicans hoisting their flag over US schools.....the author is clearly a dolt!


13 posted on 03/31/2006 4:09:47 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: pageonetoo

The GOP has sold out it's base, plain and simple. This will cost them dearly. They will lost control of the whitehouse and congress if this amnesty sham passes.


14 posted on 03/31/2006 4:10:24 AM PST by Buffettfan
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To: Sam the Sham
The WSJ speaks for people who can reap the profits of cheap labor but wall themselves off from the consequences that the rest of us have to bear.

Just wondering do you wear t-shirts with this guys face on it.


16 posted on 03/31/2006 4:11:09 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: GarySpFc

I think mot Americans are against people crawling over our borders like a pack of cockroaches.

We dont mind immigranrs and we want workers, we just want them to use the gate.Illegals are just that ILLEGAL.


17 posted on 03/31/2006 4:11:38 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: JABBERBONK
Not with La Razza signs and Mexicans hoisting their flag over US schools.....the author is clearly a dolt!

Huh not a peep from you about the liberal infested public schools that are actually a big part of the problem.

Figures.

18 posted on 03/31/2006 4:12:42 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: stopem

Yes, the leadership of the Christian Right has been quiet. But the chief intellectuals have not. Phyllis Schalfly and Cal Thomas have been spot on about this issue.

The key issue here is that Mexico's goal isn't simply to export its poor people to the American taxpayer. It is to create a pro-Mexican Fifth Column in American electoral politics (and never underestimate the level of irredentist anger in Mexican politics towards the US). And all those Mexican flags in those demonstrations make this very clear.


19 posted on 03/31/2006 4:13:20 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: normy
I may not vote democrat ever, but not voting at all is a serious consideration, or maybe just voting at the local level and for my Congressman.

I was raised in a Democrat household. My 82 yr old mom still votes straight party ticket. I worked for Bobby Kennedy and voted for Jimmy Carter. But, when my eyes were opened by those 18% interest rates, I switched and campaigned hard for Ronaldus.

When Jesse Helms was challenged for the Senate by Harvey Gantt (the black mayor of Charlotte), I spent so much money that I got to sit at a table with he and Dan Quayle. I would vote for Dan. I will not vote for a RINO.

I have withdrawn my support for the national Rep. party, though I give to many with R behind their names (I live in WV and we have Sheets Byrd creeping along with Rockyfeller). I no longer list myself as a Republican. I would sign up again, if there were some true conservative patriots in power again.

20 posted on 03/31/2006 4:14:04 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: JABBERBONK

Here's the new flag that needs hoisting.

21 posted on 03/31/2006 4:14:25 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Dane; JABBERBONK

Dane, I don't talk to thieves and traitors like you.


22 posted on 03/31/2006 4:14:37 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: pageonetoo

The open borders elitists of the WSJ at it again.


23 posted on 03/31/2006 4:14:54 AM PST by nj26
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To: Deconstructionist
No worry. The editors of the WSJ are safe behind the walls of their gated communities.

Not only that, the RINO Rockefellers are perfectly content to let the muddle-class bafoons subsidize their cooks, house keepers and that real cute nanny from San Salvador...

24 posted on 03/31/2006 4:15:25 AM PST by austinite
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To: pageonetoo
I have been a straight party voter since I was old enough to vote. It's not just the issue of illegal immigration, its the attitude that those in power take with those of us who want the border closed to illegal entry. Its the same attitude every liberal I have ever debated with has used. They may as well call us nazi's or at least xenophobes. These are some of our elected leaders who act this way and definitely some of the conservative talking heads in Washington.
25 posted on 03/31/2006 4:19:11 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: GarySpFc
Yes, and how about "A Fence Sitter has to eventually fall off on one side or the other"

sw

26 posted on 03/31/2006 4:19:44 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: pageonetoo
Bob Dole won 21% of the Hispanic vote in 1996, Mr. Bush improved that to 35% in 2000 and again to 44% in 2004.

...but, but some of them held a rally and some of the protestors waived Mexican flags. Surely this means that the 20+ million hispanics who came to this country to live a better life represent an immanent threat to our sovereignty. /s

27 posted on 03/31/2006 4:19:47 AM PST by UNflagburner
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To: pageonetoo

Shills for the President and the elites of both parties.


29 posted on 03/31/2006 4:30:28 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: wrathof59
Next year, they are in for a rude awakening when a democratic controlled congress starts to tax the heck out of them. And the social conservatives don't back this 3% of the population.

Why does everyone think it is the House that is going to be hurt, most of the Republican Congress members have gone on record as supporting deportation.

It is the Senate that may lose a few seats, because they are not listening, not the House.

30 posted on 03/31/2006 4:30:41 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Sam the Sham

How do we prevent this hostile takeover from becoming a reality?


31 posted on 03/31/2006 4:31:49 AM PST by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: pageonetoo

If the GOP becomes the party of Tom Tancredo, it's no longer the party for me.


32 posted on 03/31/2006 4:38:11 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: pageonetoo
Now the WSJ is trying to claim that Ronald Reagan was a pro-open borders, pro-illegal immigration, one-worlder?!!

Ronald Reagan had respect for the rule of law. He had that 1986 amnesty forced down his throat by a Liberal Democrat congress.

Bush doesn't have that excuse!

Go, Tancredo, Go!

34 posted on 03/31/2006 4:40:06 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity'. It's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: pageonetoo
To wit, do Republicans want to continue in the Reagan tradition of American optimism and faith in assimilation that sends a message of inclusiveness to all races? Or will they take another one of their historical detours into a cramped, exclusionary policy that tells millions of new immigrants, and especially Hispanics, that they belong somewhere else?...

'Inclusiveness' carried to its logical extreme.

Just how many illegal aliens does the WSJ think America can handle? The twenty million plus we have now?

The 50 millions more that will come if they succeed in passing another disastrous amnesty now?

100 million?

A billion?

Everyone left on the planet?

35 posted on 03/31/2006 4:40:24 AM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: Deconstructionist
The Libertarian Party is always round.

The LP lost what support I had for it, when they advocated surrendering to Bin Laden.

36 posted on 03/31/2006 4:42:06 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: pageonetoo

The writer's language gives him away: He's an anti-conservative elitist.

'Inclusiveness'?

'Migrants'?

'Chauvinist conservatism'?

Sheesh...


37 posted on 03/31/2006 4:43:06 AM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

What do you have against Tom T., my friend?

You haven't been listening to the slander of his enemies, have you?


38 posted on 03/31/2006 4:44:43 AM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: UNflagburner
Surely this means that the 20+ million hispanics who came to this country to live a better life represent an immanent threat to our sovereignty.

Well, actually, they do.

There can be no sovereignty without borders.

39 posted on 03/31/2006 4:46:00 AM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: stopem

This election will be the last chance for the GOP to be the vehicle to do so. If the Party of Money succeeds in forcing an open borders, outsourcing, corporate RINO on us, then we will have no choice but to go third party.


40 posted on 03/31/2006 4:48:17 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: EternalVigilance
...a cramped, exclusionary policy that tells millions of new immigrants, and especially Hispanics, that they belong somewhere else?...

How about just calling them by the right term...INVADERs. They do belong somewhere else. they are not American and they do not want to becomne Americans. They want to suckle the teat, then kill the mother providing their sustenance.

I am sick...sick...sick, of this elitist crap, condoning their crime!

41 posted on 03/31/2006 4:48:41 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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Why does everyone think it is the House that is going to be hurt, most of the Republican Congress members have gone on record as supporting deportation.

Absolutely.

The House conservatives are the heroes in this whole thing.

They're the only real power base conservatives have at the moment.

Our people should be working hard for the reelection of the scores of good Republicans in the House.

'Send reinforcements' has been my motto for a very long time...

42 posted on 03/31/2006 4:49:03 AM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: 4Freedom
Ronald Reagan had respect for the rule of law. He had that 1986 amnesty forced down his throat by a Liberal Democrat congress

He could have vetoed it.

The irony of it all.

43 posted on 03/31/2006 4:51:05 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Deconstructionist

Actually, America is only of importance to them as their globocop. They are always keen on American boys dying for them.

Their world will be something like the 19th century where the militaries of the imperial powers were like loanshark leg breakers for third world countries that were behind on their bond payments.


44 posted on 03/31/2006 4:51:37 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Deconstructionist

They may be like Judas, selling us out for 30 pieces of silver, but that doesn't mean we need to be like Esau who sold his birthright for a bowl of meat.


45 posted on 03/31/2006 4:51:44 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Sam the Sham

I have called by yhr bots all sorts of names etc etc, however, I for one volunteered my butt off in 2000 and 2004. I am done. I will vote for people I like, but GOTV for the GOP?

Let the CEO's go walk the Bronx streets like I did, let them go poll watch in areas where English in a second language.


46 posted on 03/31/2006 4:52:45 AM PST by chris1
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To: EternalVigilance

What we need to do is to legally wreck the next election (in the primaries if possible) of the two of three leaders of the RINOs in the Senate, like McCain, and the rest of the republicans in the Senate will fall in line.


47 posted on 03/31/2006 4:52:56 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: pageonetoo
And it will make permanent enemies of millions of Hispanics...

A little warped don't you think, for people that willingly break the law by coming here illegally. Typical rhetoric from the appeasers of law breakers.....apparently 11,000,000,000 of these aliens will permanently hate me – while taking from the largess of this country. The only rational idea here is to return to a country that respects and follows the laws of its land rather than the feel good politically correct mistake of the Kennedy/McCain amnesty – Carter made the same mistake.

The fact that some have been living here for years, knowing they were breaking the law, is no excuse for amnesty – it is analogous to the law breaker who hides from the law for years before he/she is caught and pays for the crime…they knew what they were doing.

The guest-worker with the proper papers should work, it did in the past – IF – we have a proper INS and people in place that respect and follow the law.

48 posted on 03/31/2006 4:53:58 AM PST by yoe
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To: Dane

You must be in all your glory with all this.

Additionally, as we discussed the other day, I have yet to hear anything whatsoever about a timeline for people to sign up and what happens if they don't.


49 posted on 03/31/2006 4:54:01 AM PST by chris1
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To: Paul C. Jesup
What we need to do is to legally wreck the next election (in the primaries if possible) of the two of three leaders of the RINOs in the Senate, like McCain,

mccain ain't up for re-election until 2010 and I would doubt he would run for re-election anyway if he is not the 2008 nominee since he is getting up in years.

50 posted on 03/31/2006 4:55:39 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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