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CA: McClintock and Morrow protest Kaloogian using photos, quotes
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 3/31/06

Posted on 03/31/2006 9:15:01 AM PST by NormsRevenge

State Sen. Tom McClintock, R-Thousand Oaks, wants to clear up something: He did not endorse former state Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian of San Marcos for the 50th Congressional District race.

Kaloogian mailers have gone to Republican households containing a picture of McClintock with quotes from the popular conservative saying nice things about Kaloogian. McClintock, who is running for lieutenant governor, protested yesterday that those quotes were from two years ago when he endorsed Kaloogian for U.S. Senate.

McClintock said because of his high regard for state Sen. Bill Morrow – who also is running for the 50th Congressional District seat – he is not making an endorsement in the race.

For his part, Kaloogian points out that the mailer doesn't actually say McClintock is endorsing him for this race. McClintock's picture and quote run under a headline: “Respected by conservative leaders.” Others under that headline, like Steve Forbes, have given their endorsement and it says so. McClintock wasn't the only one irked by Kaloogian's use of other candidates. Morrow also wasn't happy.

“Howard Kaloogian's campaign Web site includes a picture and a quote from me from 2001 that implies that I have endorsed his candidacy for Congress,” Morrow, R-Carlsbad, said in a press release. “Howard knows that I have not endorsed his candidacy, and that I am running for the same congressional seat.”

Morrow called for Kaloogian to take his photo off the site.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 50thcongressional; cunningham; duke; kaloogian; mclintock; morrow; specialk
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Let me get this stright, Tom... so Howard was good enough to endorse for the Senate 2 years ago but not for the House now?

Got it, Tom.

A word of advice,, lay off the Rhino wine... lol

1 posted on 03/31/2006 9:15:03 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
If McClintock chooses to endorse Morrow or to stay out of this particular race that choice is his and his alone to make.

And once again - I hate the word RINO. When - someone please tell me when - the Republican party is going to stop eating itself from within. If it doesn't stop soon it is going to cost us dearly. The Republican divide is what the Dems hope and pray for daily - and language such as this is only helping their cause.

Debate the issues, take a stand, be strong in what you believe. But please stop dragging out the RINO card every time a (R) says something you don't like, or God Forbid, commits the mortal sin of entering a primary against someone you support.
2 posted on 03/31/2006 9:21:56 AM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let me get this stright, Tom... so Howard was good enough to endorse for the Senate 2 years ago but not for the House now?

Kaloogian is running against other Republicans in this race. It is perfectly reasonable for McClintock to decline to endorse Kaloogian now, when he endorsed him against a Democrat before.
3 posted on 03/31/2006 9:22:23 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: BlueNgold; drjimmy

BnG ,, when someone chooses to turn their back on conservative candidates and effectively go with moderates only to maintain or gain power, does that please you? It does not in my case. We see the rersults of that today at the state and federal levels and see how "successful" that has been.

Obviously you are able to swallow a lot more than I could to just keep a legitimately divided party together at any cost. That is where my reference to Rhino, not the other word came into play, obviously you read it another way.. tsk tsk.

You're both certainly entitled to your opinions. Thanks for sharing them.


Are either of you voters in this district primary race, by chance?


4 posted on 03/31/2006 9:41:55 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: drjimmy

If I was Howard, I'd still use the brochures, just have the pics and quotes cut out buy hand and let folks wonder what that is all about.

That ought to be a real attention grabber as well.;-)


5 posted on 03/31/2006 9:43:00 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Norm, why did you post this story?
It does no one any good, neither Tom nor Howard.


6 posted on 03/31/2006 9:46:23 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

Au contraire, DL. Should the SD U-T not have even written it.

You think they have a horse in this race? Have they endorsed anyone yet?

Republicans should and can have disagreements and still come together when it matters most, better to lance the boil now , imo.

They both would and will have my vote when it is time to cast them.


7 posted on 03/31/2006 9:58:47 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: doodlelady

What district are you in btw? who's your local Congressional rep? Mine is Honda and my area yields reps like Stark, Lofgren and Eshoo.


8 posted on 03/31/2006 10:00:34 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

I'm sorry, I still don't get it.
Why does "lancing the boil" include skewering Tom ?


9 posted on 03/31/2006 10:20:58 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

You call that skewering? geeesh . lolol. You have much too thin a skin to be on a forum, imo. lol


10 posted on 03/31/2006 10:21:56 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yes, skewering. At every opportunity.
Are you saying Tom must have "thin skin" too, for his response?


11 posted on 03/31/2006 10:26:13 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

Oh geez, DL. What a stretch.

Obviously, he can take it. Would that you could as well.

This hand wringing is so unbecoming of you, but thanks for bumping the thread.


12 posted on 03/31/2006 10:32:49 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

That wasn't the question.
Does Tom's response have merit or not?


13 posted on 03/31/2006 10:36:00 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

He's entitled to his opinion as are you and I.

If he thinks he's being used , so be it.

You've been here awhile, are you his redeemer or did you draw short straw this week?

again , thanks for the bumps.


14 posted on 03/31/2006 10:38:16 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: doodlelady

I'll say it again,
Never fall in love with a politician, they'll likely break your heart in the end.


15 posted on 03/31/2006 10:39:30 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Do you think he's being used?


16 posted on 03/31/2006 10:40:23 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: NormsRevenge
Get a grip! Tom's endorsing NO ONE because he feels Morrow is also a good candidate. That's entirely reasonable.

This is just one more of the "Special K" (K for KOOK?) scandals in this campaign:

- The Istanbul, Turkey photo his site claimed was one taken in Baghdad (and yet no actually Baghdad photo has been posted to replace it).

- The pro-life organization he claimed had endorsed him has not

- now he's trying to make it look like Tom endorsed him over fellow conservative Morrow which didn't happen

- it gets worse if he tried to say Morrow endorsed him over himself!!

I suggest Howard should be going down in flames of his political stupidity.

17 posted on 03/31/2006 10:51:36 AM PST by newzjunkey (Fellow 50th Congressional Freepers: Don't fall for Bilbray!)
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To: NormsRevenge
If I was Howard, I'd still use the brochures, just have the pics and quotes cut out buy hand and let folks wonder what that is all about. That ought to be a real attention grabber as well.;-)

Or he could replace the spaces with photos of peaceful Baghdad. ;-}
18 posted on 03/31/2006 10:53:02 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: doodlelady

Hopefully it gets people to "wake up" about Howard's tactics and lay off the Kool-Aid. I'm in the district and I voted.


19 posted on 03/31/2006 10:54:07 AM PST by newzjunkey (Fellow 50th Congressional Freepers: Don't fall for Bilbray!)
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To: newzjunkey

I'm not thrilled about ANY Republican looking bad.
It's the Dems I want to see go down in flames.

At least you have choices in your district, while we're stuck with smarmy Bob Filner.


20 posted on 03/31/2006 11:00:21 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: NormsRevenge
a legitimately divided party

You make my point for me.

Amazing that in less than 20 years we have already forgotten "Reagan's Rule".

21 posted on 03/31/2006 11:01:08 AM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: BlueNgold

Oh go cry on someone else's shoulder, please.


22 posted on 03/31/2006 11:02:39 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: newzjunkey

It is quite apparent that the moderates are sucking hind tit in the polls, and desrvedly so, hence why you and others are so eager to smear Howard.


23 posted on 03/31/2006 11:03:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: doodlelady

Filner, never heard of him. I guess that's good, he must be relatively benign, you should consider yourself lucky..


24 posted on 03/31/2006 11:04:43 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: newzjunkey

Let me get this straight. so you're saying anyone who supports Howard is stupid too?

just like anyone who supported Gilchrist is stupid too?


25 posted on 03/31/2006 11:05:44 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
so eager to smear Howard.

Is that what you're calling Tom's response?

26 posted on 03/31/2006 11:06:59 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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Got it, Tom.

A word of advice,, lay off the Rhino wine... lol (/sarcasm)

-- There, that should placate those who feel their and my candidate of choice in the Recall and upcoming Lt Gub race is being skewered unfairly on this forum. ;-)

27 posted on 03/31/2006 11:09:14 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Filner's far from benign.
He's as rabidly left as you can get, just like Angelides.
Is he benign too?


28 posted on 03/31/2006 11:09:38 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

sorry about your misfortune in thta regard re: filner. I don't pay much if any attention to SoCal and the reps from there. we got some real doozies up here already to barf and puke about.

I have a feeeling Phil will be out after the demRatic primary, just a hunch.


29 posted on 03/31/2006 11:12:36 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: doodlelady

NO, criminy, DL , quit trying to put words in my mouth like some here at FR.

I am referring to some of those here who lambaste him here and readily so as you see today and recently.


30 posted on 03/31/2006 11:14:11 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
McClintock.... has his head where the sun does not shine.
31 posted on 03/31/2006 11:14:45 AM PST by pointsal
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To: drjimmy

photos of peaceful Baghdad

A true Kodak moment, indeed. ;-)


32 posted on 03/31/2006 11:15:47 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Filner's been a rabid lunatic on Hannity & Colmes.
He's nationally infamous, not just locally.

I'd welcome ANY (R) candidate from the 50th to swoop down here and take him on.


33 posted on 03/31/2006 11:19:00 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

sorry I missed him on H&C or maybe not as you describe him, I may have seen him but he was so forgettable I forgot it was him.


34 posted on 03/31/2006 11:23:05 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Y'know, maybe he's one reason I'm so hell bent on folks focusing on the Democrats instead of circular firing squads.

Guys like Filner are malignant ticks that bore themselves into the tenderest flesh of society. They should scare the hell out of everyone.


35 posted on 03/31/2006 11:30:11 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

I hear ya on the circular firing squad,.

Maybe you and others should direct some of that concern at the moderates that try and use a conservative forum to re-mold the Republican party into dem-Lite. Ya think? ;-)


36 posted on 03/31/2006 11:33:06 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Not crying. And nowhere near your shoulder.

My impression is that a lot of people want a lock step hard core far right party. I want legitimate debate and multiple points of view. I also want to maintain the majority. There is something to be said for supporting the most conservative candidate with an opportunity to win. It's a layered decision making process, especially in CA.

It's a tough question - do we support the candidate we most agree with even if they cannot win? I'm NOT saying your guy can't win, but that is the question conservatives continually face.

When you concede a 'legitimately divided party' then you are adding to the problem, not solving it. Read a few NYT articles about the state of the (R) party - and you may find that they agree with your assessment, and are hoping it's true.

End of conversation.


37 posted on 03/31/2006 11:40:53 AM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: NormsRevenge
Maybe you and others should direct some of that concern at the moderates that try and use a conservative forum to re-mold the Republican party into dem-Lite. Ya think? ;-)

I'll be directing my focus and efforts against the Democrats, period, and in support of the elected officals battling them in the trenches.

Conservative pissing contests are about as productive as religious debates.
Both just feed egos, and neither accomplishes a single positive thing, IMO.

38 posted on 03/31/2006 11:59:27 AM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: BlueNgold

My impression is that a lot of people want a lock step hard core far right party...

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You say that likes its something evil,, imo.

Like what we have is working so well at present. moderates out the ying yang, appeaisng everyione, and pleasing no one at the same time.

Ideas win, hyperbole and hoopla do little to serve the people.

You want debate, when 11(?) candidates are running in the GOP primary, there is no way it can happen. party officials , as inept as they are sometimes in this state should have limited the number so we could have seen a real debate, not a quick dog and pony show.

end of convo.. says who? You? my my, that smacks of something. if you ask me.


39 posted on 03/31/2006 12:02:46 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: doodlelady

Conservative pissing contests are about as productive as religious debates.
--
Oh my, dragging religion into it. ;-)

Maybe we should be doing some urine testing during those peeing contests while we're at it. lol


40 posted on 03/31/2006 12:04:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope you know what I mean.

Legitimate debate has an element of useful exchange

The other comparison is more about the entrenched "edu-berators."

I mention religion only because I belive it's more useful as discussion as opposed to "debate."


41 posted on 03/31/2006 12:12:12 PM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

I know what you meant, I simply amplified and re-directed some of your comments as an example of what happens all too often when I offer my comments.

It's the evil conservative side of me.. ;-o


42 posted on 03/31/2006 12:14:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

"The eeeevil conservative side."
Geez how I H8 that term.
I think "conservative" is about the most positive, freeing thing imaginable.
I know you're just kiddin'. But really.


43 posted on 03/31/2006 12:23:35 PM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

I hear ya. I'm series as all get out. (No, not really.-)

The media portray conservatives this way all the time.

If we could only tax everyone to the hilt, the homeless and illegals and terrorists wouldn't be so exploited and abused and maligned is the left's and demRats mantra.. Then they would all love us.
NOT!


44 posted on 03/31/2006 12:27:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BlueNgold
But please stop dragging out the RINO card

I think many who use the term RINO are simply being polite. Oft times the term is used in connection with a Republican liberal.

tell me when - the Republican party is going to stop eating itself from within.

The Republican divide, essentially an ideological rift between the California Republican Party leadership and registered Republicans in California, will cease when the CRP leadership stops admitting and supporting liberals to candidacy under their banner.

A few more Austrians and the party will cease to be significant in California.

45 posted on 03/31/2006 1:47:24 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: doodlelady
I'll be directing my focus and efforts against the Democrats, period, and in support of the elected officals battling them in the trenches.

Nothing wrong with that attitude but it's a little misplaced on this forum.

Freepers are directing their focus and efforts against liberals regardless of party registering. We do battle against liberals and sometimes, yes, the enemy of our enemy is occasionally treated with deference.

The Austrian, who is as liberal as a Republican is legally allowed to get, receives occasional praise from forum members when he does something that advances conservatism, even though his motives for those actions are never ideological.

By all means, go forward and crush Democrats, but a little zag once in a while, to flatten a liberal Republican, huddling with his buddies on the other side of the aisle, is also good for our state.

46 posted on 03/31/2006 2:25:32 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag; Jim Robinson

More edu-beration in the name of the forum.
::sigh:::

I'll take my directive from our host, thank you.


47 posted on 03/31/2006 2:33:25 PM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady

The special K folks are so shrill and cult like that they lend themselves to the comments they seek.

There are at least three good conservative candidates.
Instead of giving good word for each in the race against
a leftwing Dem., the special K folks are assuring a democrat win. and worse, most of these folks don't even live in San Diego.


48 posted on 03/31/2006 2:36:54 PM PST by SoCalPol
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To: SoCalPol

If this were a state wide race, I might feel differently about "outsiders."
OTOH this race could put a bonafide conservative in Congress, which is good for, and concerns, everyone, imo.

I don't begrudge anyone their favorite, but I agree, the trashing of the candidates smells to high heaven.

Sure would love to know how it's really playing out to the actual voters in the 50th.

Francine Busby must be licking her chops.


49 posted on 03/31/2006 2:51:51 PM PST by b9 ("the [evil Marxist liberal socialist Democrat Party] alternative is unthinkable" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: doodlelady; NormsRevenge
The response is neither surprising nor amusing. It's simply characteristic.

A political partisan challenges the partisan loyalty of a conservative, on a non partisan, conservative pitch, and asks for reasoned debate ... on their terms.

When the obvious flaw in the partisan's plea is highlighted, the partisan attacks the character of the conservative challengers and then flees for the cover of authority. Facts are always absent.

If conservatism is to triumph in the political arena, the first act that conservatives need to clean up is their own, Norm had every right to post an article about a family feud within a political party. especially when that feuding is centered around partisan, not ideological arguments.

And yes, Senator McClintock, helped neither his party nor his ideology by publicly pointing out an apparent misnomer in Kaloogian's campaign. The senator should have done it privately. He didn't and there's reason to explore why. A legitimate reason. The error is the Senator's or Kaloogian's, not Norm's

50 posted on 03/31/2006 3:02:00 PM PST by Amerigomag
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