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They are all communists to me
SittinYonder | March 31, 2006 | SittinYonder

Posted on 03/31/2006 9:30:07 AM PST by SittinYonder

Whether they call themselves anarchists, communists, socialists or marxists, whether their cause is anti-war, “the environment,” gay rights or animal rights or they just want to “Impeach the Smirking Chimp,” they’re all the same to me. They are united in a common goal of undermining capitalism in general and the United States in particular.

The are all communists to me.

Over the course of the last century we have been able to trace the path of the anti-American movement that traditionally has been associated with communism. Particularly in the last 20 years or so we have seen this movement take on new and specific “causes” to gain more followers.

The latest cause for the anti-American, anti-capitalist lunatics is now the issue of illegal immigration.

While there may have been a legitimate debate over the illegal immigration issue - how to deal with those already here, what to do about border security, enact new laws or enforce those that are existing - we are seeing the issue alter into yet another tentacle of the communist cause: open borders.

The website “delete the border” contains several links at the top of the page, one that takes you to o.r.g.a.n.i.c collective’s website which proclaims that it is “Opposing repression globally and nurturing independent communities.”

While o.r.g.a.n.i.c. collective claims to consist of anarchists, and not communists, on their about page, their screed in favor of anarchism quickly devolves into opposition to corporations and capitalism:

“We consider ourselves anti-authoritarian in that we wish to broaden anarchism to work for the abolition of both governments and corporations, the contemporary rulers under global capitalism. Today the struggle against domination must include struggles against the corporations that are the faces behind the masks of the WTO, IMF and trade agreements like NAFTA, FTAA, CAFTA as well as those governmental mechanisms as well.”

Among the links that the o.r.g.a.n.i.c. collective offers is one to Che Cafe. (Please note the “ucsd.edu” address, Univ. Calif. San Diego) Here at the Che Café the anarchists are already hanging out with the communists as the Che Café’s about page illustrates:

The Che Cafe is a community space, DIY venue, vegan cafe, resource center for radical grassroots activists, and a whole lot more. We put on all ages shows, serve tasty vegetarian food and host numerous political and social events. The Che Cafe is "owned" and run by a non-hierarchical worker's collective - no bosses! The Che is a great place to meet and hang out with other people who envision a better world.

The Ché Café Collective is committed to radical social change and equality. Our community works to create itself as an alternative while, at the same time, attempting to open a space for and support other grass-roots organizations.

The Che Café also offers some links which are conveniently divided into two groups: political or music. Under the political links, you can find a variety of anarchist or vegan links, among them the Anarchist Archives where you are greeted with a collage of history’s anarchist promoters - everyone from Noam Chomsky to Michael Bakunin to Emma Goldman, perhaps the best known of the anarcho-communists. The question as to whether they are anarchists, marxists, socialists or communists is, in my opinion, irrelevant. The “anarchy” promoted by the likes of Chomsky and Goldman is little different from marxism. They are driven by their opposition to capitalism and claim to represent “worker’s rights.”

They are all communists to me.

Che Café’s links also put us in touch with the Earth Liberation Front and Earth First’s website. I won’t make the argument here that the eco-freaks at ELF are in fact communists dressed in green instead of red. I’ll simply say that they are.

Going back to the delete the borders website, we get another link to Anarchist Action. Again, the about page shows that Anarchist Action, like the rest of the Bolsheviks, is opposed to capitalism:

The focus of the forum is captured in the broad set of guidelines which it provides to potential projects or working groups. Anarchist action does not seek to reform the current system, nor does it propose a specific alternative with which to replace the system that exploits us. Rather, its means are also its end: to empower people through mass direct action and to generate the kind of solidarity that can only be forged in struggle. This solidarity is our defense against capitalism, government, racism, patriarchy, and all forms of oppression, and it is a foundation for any post-revolutionary system based on cooperation and mutual aid.

But if you want to see whether or not the avowed communists (not those hiding behind some other banner), then head over to the Workers’ Party website and see what they have to say about illegal immigration. In an editorial headlined “The Rights of Immigrants - the Rights of All!” the avowed communists make clear their opposition to any kind of immigration reform.

Over the last few weeks, millions of Americans have come into the public arena to defend the rights of immigrants. Five hundred thousand people marched in Los Angeles. Three hundred thousand demonstrated in Chicago. Tens of thousands marched in Denver, Phoenix, Milwaukee and many other cities.

The people are protesting the government's attempt to pass new anti-immigrant legislation.
[snip]
The capitalists use this caste of workers, denied all rights, to drag down the wages and standard of rights of all workers.
[snip]
Let us carry the struggle through to the end until our country guarantees, in practice, FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL HUMAN BEINGS!

And the Peoples Weekly World Newspaper contains a glowing review of the recent marches by Rosalio Munoz:

LOS ANGELES — The over half million immigrant rights supporters who rallied in Los Angeles March 25 sent their fellow Americans and their government a clear message: We are Americans, we are workers who build up this economy and society, we are not terrorists nor criminals, we deserve justice and equality with legalization!

[snip]

Carrying themselves with dignity, people were so solidly pressed together that smoking was virtually absent. No alcohol was present and no arrests were made.

At least they were not smoking!

The communist influence in America is not dead. Most of us here know that. But I believe it is vitally important that we continue to see the Red Threat that exists behind the slogans and the causes. When the communists - the anti-American, anti-capitalists - work behind the scenes to rally to a new cause, it should be pointed out. Now, through the demands of illegal immigrants for full citizenship, the communists are finding another avenue to seek to undermine our country and our way of life.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: answer; antiwar; codepink; communism; communists; cpusa; immigration; internationalanswer; nion; rwor; ufpj; unitedforpeace; wcw; worldcantwait; wwp
Regardless of where you stand on the illegal immigration issue, I think it's vitally important that we remain aware of who is behind these rallies and what their motivation is.
1 posted on 03/31/2006 9:30:09 AM PST by SittinYonder
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To: SittinYonder; eyespysomething; TexasCajun; DollyCali; Prophet in the wilderness; skip_intro; ...
This is a one-time ping to folks who have posted to me on this subject or have been on a thread involving illegal immigration and the upcoming MAY DAY illegal immigrant strike.

It's a pure vanity.

If you want off this one-time ping list, you should have told me before I pinged you. ;-)

2 posted on 03/31/2006 9:31:43 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder
They are all communists to me

....and we are cowards to them.

3 posted on 03/31/2006 9:32:51 AM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: SittinYonder

The country is asleep. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP!!!


4 posted on 03/31/2006 9:34:17 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Boston Blackie

Not only cowards, but they also think we're stupid not to see what they're up to. I hope they do a lot more demonstrations, and let the public see just how rotten to the core the illegal immigration movement really is.


5 posted on 03/31/2006 9:37:57 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: SittinYonder
See my post "Mow Your Own Lawn - Clean Your Own House" in Chat.

(I'd make a link for ya, but it would take me all afternoon)

6 posted on 03/31/2006 9:38:48 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1606882/posts?page=6#6

I have seen it and agree ... except I can't change my behavior because I already mow my own lawn and have slave labor (ie kids) to clean the house.


7 posted on 03/31/2006 9:41:07 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder
Having just read another Wall Street Journal admonishing Republicans for seeking to gain control of illegal immigration, I am trying to figure out whether the invasion is a capitalist or communist plot. How can it be both?
8 posted on 03/31/2006 9:53:54 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
I am trying to figure out whether the invasion is a capitalist or communist plot. How can it be both?

Surely you remenber the line about "Give enough rope to the capitalist and he is sure to hang himself".

That's what the WSJ is doing, while the communists just wait.

9 posted on 03/31/2006 9:57:43 AM PST by skip_intro
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To: Plutarch
"I am trying to figure out whether the invasion is a capitalist or communist plot. How can it be both?"

Nothing about it is 'capitalist' by strict definition. Even where, 'big business' is behind this, it is where private enterprise has found it feasible and profitable to exploit government intrusion into the economy and it's failure to enforce the same.

10 posted on 03/31/2006 10:02:17 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Plutarch
How can it be both?

The communist plot isn't so much the invasion, IMO, nor is it coming from the invaders. The communists are co-opting the issue. It's the rallies, the "uniting workers to the struggle" and the overall mayhem they can create.

The communists, leftists, anti-Americans will take over any issue if they can gain more followers to their cause and try to create chaos in this country.

11 posted on 03/31/2006 10:04:13 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder; Plutarch

Let me add one other thing. It's not the illegal Mexican picking the peaches who said to himself, "We ought to go on strike for a day" (or however you say that in Spanish).

If you look on these websites, the people putting the sites together and organizing the rallies even acknowledge in some instances that they are not immigrants (read white-bread trust fund leftists).

How does Jose the gardener get tied up with the anarchist movement when he creates his pro-rights for illegals website?


12 posted on 03/31/2006 10:08:14 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder
open borders

Once the objective is achieved, borders closed

Rights become priorities of the party. What ever benefits the party is called a right.

13 posted on 03/31/2006 10:13:03 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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To: SittinYonder
"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague."

Cicero, About 2500 years ago

14 posted on 03/31/2006 10:27:32 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: SittinYonder
Over the course of the last century we have been able to trace the path of the anti-American movement that traditionally has been associated with communism. Particularly in the last 20 years or so we have seen this movement take on new and specific “causes” to gain more followers.

Some American socialists and anarchists opposed the communists.

I think Sydney Hook, for example, remained a socialist. He spent a big chunk of his life fighting communism in the U.S. and abroad.

15 posted on 03/31/2006 11:51:07 AM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent
Some American socialists and anarchists opposed the communists.

I suspect that those are few and would ask, at least in today's terms, what's the difference? I realize there was a time when the ideologies were unique from each other, but I believe that today they are all driven by essentially the same goals, the destruction of capitalism and the insertion of an authoritarian, centralized, nanny state government.

There may even be a majority in their ranks who don't see that as the goal, but in the end I believe that is what they are fighting for regardless of their intent.

The communists had a plan and we see continue to see it in process today.

16 posted on 03/31/2006 12:00:02 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder
I suspect that those are few and would ask, at least in today's terms, what's the difference?

Freedom of speech.

Anticommunist Sydney Hook believed that, unlike communism, socialism (or at least a welfare state) could only thrive with freedom of speech.

17 posted on 03/31/2006 12:14:08 PM PST by secretagent
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To: SittinYonder

Marking.


18 posted on 03/31/2006 12:17:54 PM PST by TAdams8591 (President Bush's second term is undoing all the good he accomplished in his first term!)
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To: SittinYonder

Correction: communists ARE socialists.. so were/are Nazi's..


19 posted on 03/31/2006 12:31:10 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: secretagent
Freedom of speech.

Still today? I suspect there are very few socialists who would recognize that distinction.

And as I said, they're all communists to me. Leftists, socialists, nanny staters, greens - whatever the specific cause du jour, any more I think they fall under a single umbrella.

20 posted on 03/31/2006 12:46:47 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder
Still today? I suspect there are very few socialists who would recognize that distinction.

I think the majority (I'd include republicans - as nanny staters) can still realize the distinction intellectually.

Conservatives do seem to differ with more of today's "left" in their emotional reaction to the crimes of communism.

21 posted on 03/31/2006 1:19:44 PM PST by secretagent
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To: SittinYonder

Good post. A pinko is a pinko. The rest is just market branding. All are enemies of the Free Republic of the United States of America.


22 posted on 03/31/2006 2:23:09 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Plutarch; SittinYonder

<< Having just read another Wall Street Journal admonishing Republicans for seeking to gain control of illegal immigration, I am trying to figure out whether the invasion is a capitalist or communist plot. How can it be both? >>

It cannot be.

But what is can be -- and is -- is both a communist and a corporatist 'plot.'


23 posted on 03/31/2006 5:06:01 PM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: SittinYonder

The lefties are trying to link the War on Terror to immigrant rights.


24 posted on 04/06/2006 9:14:21 AM PDT by Thunder90
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