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Mexican flag burned at Apache Junction HS
tuscon.com ^ | 3.31.06 | Blake Herzog

Posted on 03/31/2006 10:35:18 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty

Tensions over immigration reform heightened in the Phoenix area's East Valley Thursday when students raised a Mexican flag over Apache Junction High School — and then other students yanked it down and burned it.

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School flagpoles have been lightning rods across the country this week, including an incident in which a Houston high-school principal was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag underneath his campus' U.S. and state flags.

A new political awareness among students has also been grabbing attention, as thousands have walked out on classes to join rallies in Phoenix and elsewhere. More than 100 students from Mesa's Carson Junior High and Westwood High schools marched in protest on Mesa streets Tuesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanflag; flag; flagburning; illegals; immigration; mexicanflag; mexico; school
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1 posted on 03/31/2006 10:35:20 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty
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To: BlessedByLiberty
Tensions over immigration reform heightened in the Phoenix area's East Valley Thursday when students raised a Mexican flag over Apache Junction High School — and then other students yanked it down and burned it.

Excellent!

2 posted on 03/31/2006 10:36:31 AM PST by American Quilter
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To: BlessedByLiberty

There are already several threads SMOKING as we speak about this....


3 posted on 03/31/2006 10:36:59 AM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Damn right!


4 posted on 03/31/2006 10:37:09 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: American Quilter

Excellent indeed. Makes me proud there are still some real Americans left.


5 posted on 03/31/2006 10:38:01 AM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Sorry didn't see them and searched...want to link them here?


6 posted on 03/31/2006 10:38:03 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
.....including an incident in which a Houston high-school principal was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag underneath his campus' U.S. and state flags.

The only surprising thing is that didn't place the Mexi flag on top.

7 posted on 03/31/2006 10:38:46 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Here is one

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606857/posts?q=1&&page=1#1


8 posted on 03/31/2006 10:38:50 AM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Thanks!


10 posted on 03/31/2006 10:39:45 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

They burn our flag - we burn their flag. Life is a two-way street. It also shows that there are alot of Americans, that are just that, and will not take the bull-xxxx from these third-world criminals in our midst.


11 posted on 03/31/2006 10:40:23 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Missy419

They say the southwest is rightly PART of Mehico.


12 posted on 03/31/2006 10:41:11 AM PST by steve8714 (Burn Peugeot, burn.)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Now that takes some guts.  I hear a lot of them Mexican fellers have knives.

Wait a min... last time I said something like that, I got a three day suspension.  JUST KIDDING FOLKS!

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

13 posted on 03/31/2006 10:41:57 AM PST by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Missy419
"The way I see it, if they love Mexico so dang much, MOVE THERE!!!"

They believe "there" is here.

14 posted on 03/31/2006 10:42:25 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: BlessedByLiberty


Hopefully, the burning of the Mexican flag will become standard practice when anyone tries to fly it instead of or with Old Glory.


15 posted on 03/31/2006 10:43:59 AM PST by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I made a bumper sticker for my truck.
put it on and drove home with a smile.
It states, MUCK FEXICO!


16 posted on 03/31/2006 10:45:55 AM PST by zboa
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To: steve8714
They can say anything they want...

The also say "Aqui Estamos, y No Nos Vamos!"

Idiots don't realize that 280,000,000 Americans are saying the same thing...

18 posted on 03/31/2006 10:47:15 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Another thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606660/posts


19 posted on 03/31/2006 10:48:25 AM PST by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: antceecee

Thanks. Maybe we should have this one pulled and go to the others?


20 posted on 03/31/2006 10:49:57 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: jazusamo

A high school in Longmont, CO is not allowing the U.S. flag to be flown, and they are confiscating the U.S. Flag because it is inflamatory. Only in Longmont...better known as the poor part of Boulder, CO. From a Denver news site:

Students Who Want To Fly American Flags Walk Out Of School
Skyline Students Say Their Flags Were Confiscated

LONGMONT, Colo. -- More than a dozen students walked out of Skyline High School Friday morning to protest a ban that doesn't allow the American flag to be flown on school grounds.

Several students said that they were upset that Mexican flags can be waved around but that American flags couldn't. They said that school officials confiscated their American flags because it has become inflammatory because of recent immigration issues.

7NEWS is talking with school officials and will have more information as it becomes available.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8385889/detail.html


21 posted on 03/31/2006 10:50:47 AM PST by digerati
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To: digerati

Mercy!

That's the step too far, isn't it?


22 posted on 03/31/2006 10:52:04 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: Owl_Eagle
See you in three days... haha


23 posted on 03/31/2006 10:52:33 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Burning Mexican flags that have been raised INSTEAD OF THE AMERICAN FLAG on public flagpoles deserve to be burned.

They did not belong there and it was done in an anti-American spirit. BURN THEM.


24 posted on 03/31/2006 10:53:39 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Can they move this to the other thread? Some good comments here.


25 posted on 03/31/2006 10:53:50 AM PST by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
Every last one of these flags should be burnt..And every last one of these Mexicans that are causing trouble should be packed up with their flags and sent home to Mexico..Last time I checked this is America (for how long I do not want to guess).If that is their flag then by all means sent them right back to Mexico along with the fourteen brothers and sister that are on our welfare rolls and the mother and father.. God Bless America
26 posted on 03/31/2006 10:54:40 AM PST by Beth528
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To: digerati

A high school in Longmont, CO is not allowing the U.S. flag to be flown, and they are confiscating the U.S. Flag because it is inflamatory. Only in Longmont...better known as the poor part of Boulder, CO. From a Denver news site:

Students Who Want To Fly American Flags Walk Out Of School
Skyline Students Say Their Flags Were Confiscated

LONGMONT, Colo. -- More than a dozen students walked out of Skyline High School Friday morning to protest a ban that doesn't allow the American flag to be flown on school grounds.

Several students said that they were upset that Mexican flags can be waved around but that American flags couldn't. They said that school officials confiscated their American flags because it has become inflammatory because of recent immigration issues.

7NEWS is talking with school officials and will have more information as it becomes available.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8385889/detail.html

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F' the Iraq Civil War...there may be one brewing here!


27 posted on 03/31/2006 10:55:10 AM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Oh, man... The MSM is going to be all over this hateful act of racial intolerance.


28 posted on 03/31/2006 10:57:22 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: antceecee; All; Admin Moderator

I don't know how to do this, but agree with you - great comments and information should be shared on live threads.


29 posted on 03/31/2006 10:57:55 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: digerati
This is despicable. Every school official connected to this traitorous decision should be fired immediately.

We have our brave military fighting and dying for our flag at this very minute and moonbats like these are allowed to disgrace the Colors in this manner. It's outrageous.

I for one am going to start firing off emails. Thanks for the post.
30 posted on 03/31/2006 10:58:49 AM PST by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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To: jazusamo; All

You have all contributed great posts to this thread. I suggest we cut and paste them to this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606660/posts?q=1&&page=282#282


31 posted on 03/31/2006 11:04:41 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

I am very pleased at this development.


32 posted on 03/31/2006 11:06:59 AM PST by steel_resolve (An intolerant culture will seek to impose it's will on the tolerant one.)
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To: LibWhacker; MadeInAmerica
Oh, man... The MSM is going to be all over this hateful act of racial intolerance.

Sure, but will they cover this one?:

A high school in Longmont, CO is not allowing the U.S. flag to be flown, and they are confiscating the U.S. Flag because it is inflamatory. Only in Longmont...better known as the poor part of Boulder, CO.
33 posted on 03/31/2006 11:09:35 AM PST by uncitizen
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To: MadeInAmerica

Thanks for posting! Some of us aren't able to hang out here all day long.


34 posted on 03/31/2006 11:15:17 AM PST by notaliberal
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To: MadeInAmerica

Don't worry. It is the first one I have seen.


35 posted on 03/31/2006 11:16:44 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: uncitizen

I thought it was considered an act of war or at least oppression to raise another country's flag above our own.

Remember when the soldiers brought down Hussein's statue they were told not to raise our flag because we were not there to claim the country.

BTW, I also blame educators who add oil to the simmering fires when they teach "America Imperialism" to students. They've taught these kids for years that we took this land from: Indians, Mexicans, and even the French.

Well, now they are about to reap what they sowed, because the illegals are territorially minded, not of a mind to assimilate. Some of those educators are about to learn they are living on what these illegals consider their territory.


36 posted on 03/31/2006 11:17:41 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: MadeInAmerica
"CO is not allowing the U.S. flag to be flown, and they are confiscating the U.S. Flag because it is inflamatory


I saw this coming.

When some blacks demanded the Confederate Battle flag be removed from public buildings, people laughed at me when I said that soon some groups would soon demand the US flag be taken down because it represented some wrong do to their heritage.

Gawd I hate being right all the time.../s
37 posted on 03/31/2006 11:19:11 AM PST by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

Posted this on the other thread, sharing with you:

To: Ajnin; All

Posted for those who are flag-challenged:
TITLE 4—FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES
§ 7. Position and manner of display
Release date: 2006-03-20

The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag’s own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.
(a) The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection (i) of this section.
(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.
(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
(d) The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag’s own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.
(e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.
(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag’s right.
(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.
(h) When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.
(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag’s own right, that is, to the observer’s left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.
(j) When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.
(k) When used on a speaker’s platform, the flag, if displayed flat, should be displayed above and behind the speaker. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergyman’s or speaker’s right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker or to the right of the audience.
(l) The flag should form a distinctive feature of the ceremony of unveiling a statue or monument, but it should never be used as the covering for the statue or monument.
(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection—
(1) the term “half-staff” means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;
(2) the term “executive or military department” means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and
(3) the term “Member of Congress” means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.
(n) When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.
(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer’s left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.

http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/

274 posted on 03/31/2006 10:14:46 AM PST by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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38 posted on 03/31/2006 11:19:19 AM PST by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
Living in South Florida, one sees all sorts of foreign flags flying. However, usually you'll see them in tandem with American flags.

There is this one car, "pimped" out by some Jamaican guy I guess, well the car is painted the color of the Jamaican flag, and it has a big Jamaican AND American flag sticker on the back. I respect that.

39 posted on 03/31/2006 11:19:25 AM PST by Paradox (".. and remove all doubt.")
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To: jazusamo

I can only imagine what soldiers in Iraq must be thinking when they hear about the flag raising nonsense. Especially the many foreigners (many Latino) wearing an American flag on their shoulder, who are trying to make something for themselves.

My in-laws (Filipino) are absolutely disgusted about what is going on (they live in SoCal). They did everything legally and took many racist pot shots along the way, climbing up the ladder and finally "making it."

They are proud of their heritage but do not ever confuse being Filipino with being American. They want nothing to do with a collection of corrupt islands in the Pacific. None of their children do either.

Something better be done soon because a lot of people are losing face and political capital by the second.


40 posted on 03/31/2006 11:22:06 AM PST by opticks
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To: Paradox; antceecee
antceecee - thank you very much for the info.

The Mexican flag is draped over cars, balconies everyday here in CA. On Cinco De Mayo, people walk around draped in it like a shawl, it's incredible, but they do it.

That is not on a flag pole on a school or government building or above the American flag.
41 posted on 03/31/2006 11:26:59 AM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: EagleUSA

> They burn our flag - we burn their flag. Life is a two-way street.

Slight difference: so far as I know, Americans aren't burning the Mexican flag on *Mexican* territory.


42 posted on 03/31/2006 11:28:27 AM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
Well, now they are about to reap what they sowed, because the illegals are territorially minded, not of a mind to assimilate.

These dolts don't seem to realize that they've scratched up a snake that's ready to sink its teeth into them. These students aren't engendering sympathy for their cause -- they're doing the exact opposite. Estúpido.

43 posted on 03/31/2006 11:29:14 AM PST by Schatze (It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.)
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To: antceecee

Great info - bookmark.


44 posted on 03/31/2006 11:30:17 AM PST by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !!)
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To: orionblamblam

Americans aren't burning the Mexican flag on *Mexican* territory.
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So what? The symbolism is what is important -- not the location.


45 posted on 03/31/2006 11:32:37 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: MadeInAmerica
Excellent indeed. Makes me proud there are still some real Americans left.

whoever burned the flag has my respect. It's good to see the young not taking this sh*t.

46 posted on 03/31/2006 11:37:26 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: OB1kNOb

Also you might like this read:

Sorry this is long, but I think they (Mexico) are still pissed off about this:
Taken from: http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist6/muzzey.html

The Mexican War
by David Saville Muzzey, Ph.D.
Barnard College, Columbia University, New York
Mexico refuses to recognize the Annexation of Texas.


47 posted on 03/31/2006 11:39:54 AM PST by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: EagleUSA; orionblamblam
So what? The symbolism is what is important -- not the location.

So what?

Try burning a Mexican flag in Mexico and see what they do to you.

48 posted on 03/31/2006 11:40:59 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason

Try burning a Mexican flag in Mexico and see what they do to you.
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I see your point -- too bad that the flag burners here were not strung up. There is no respect for our flag, because we have a government that panders to criminals, thugs and foreign illegals.


49 posted on 03/31/2006 11:43:00 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

> The symbolism is what is important -- not the location.

Try getting nekkid and doing the mommy-daddy dance with the missus in your bedroom. Then try it on the sidewalk in front of Wal Mart. You'll discover that location is important.


50 posted on 03/31/2006 11:43:11 AM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine)
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