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Illegals vs. Enforcement - The protesters in the street get it. Does Congress?
NRO ^ | March 28, 2006 | Rich Lowry

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Illegals vs. Enforcement

The protesters in the street get it. Does Congress?

Advocates for illegal immigration might have trouble ginning up much support for their cause if they didn’t have recourse to a handy expedient: constantly importing more supporters. Every day that more illegal immigrants arrive in this country is a day that the constituency for defying our immigration laws grows larger.

Illegals demonstrated that last weekend when they swelled the ranks of anti-enforcement protesters in a Los Angeles rally estimated at 500,000, and in rallies in Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, and Milwaukee that drew tens of thousands. The protests generated sympathetic media coverage that emphasized how much opposition there is to a House bill toughening enforcement, although the idea of stricter enforcement is wildly popular with the American public.

Proponents of an amnesty and guest-worker program often say, “There are some jobs Americans won’t do.” When it comes to manning massive protests against our immigration laws, they are right. For that, you need illegal labor.

In the short term, the anti-enforcement protests might backfire. In 1994, illegal immigrants were part of a huge protest against California’s Proposition 187, which denied various public benefits to illegals. But the specter of protesters waving Mexican flags only fueled public support for the measure, which passed handily. This time, there was an ample supply of American flags at the L.A. rally, but influential blogger Mickey Kaus still reports that there was an even split between Mexican and American flags. “If you said ‘Mexican flag’ every time you saw a Mexican flag,” Kaus writes, “you never stopped talking.”

Well, aren’t there plenty of Irish flags at St. Patrick’s Day parades, and Italian flags at Columbus Day celebrations? What makes the Mexican displays more ominous is their hint of a large, unassimilated population existing outside America’s laws and exhibiting absolutely no sheepishness about it. As the New York Times put it delicately in a report on the protests, they included “immigrants who were long thought too fearful of deportation to risk so public a display.” But there is safety in numbers.

Opponents of immigration enforcement hope to create demographic realities on the ground that inevitably shape our policy. Already, one of their favorite arguments is to ask, with exaggerated incredulity, “What are you going to do with the eleven million illegals already here, deport them all?” Mass defiance of immigration laws serves to make those laws seem steadily more unenforceable, undermining them from within.

Democrats are happy to stoke this self-perpetuating dynamic, since it directly benefits them. Political scientist James Gimpel of the University of Maryland says that Latino voters who have recently become citizens vote Democratic by a margin of 2-1. So, the more new Latino voters there are, the stronger the lax-enforcement Democrats become.

Republicans are tempted to get on this treadmill, too, in order not to “alienate the Latino vote.” It used to be only California that the GOP had to fear “losing,” but now it’s also Arizona, Texas, and Colorado, with Latino voters becoming more important in southern states like Georgia and North Carolina as well. But whatever Republicans do to allow more Latinos into the country only creates more Democratic voters in the near term.

If demographics isn’t quite destiny, it really matters. Look at Europe. Muslim immigration is challenging the cultural identity of Holland and has created unpoliced no-go zones in the Paris suburbs. The nightmare is something similar happening here, unless we pause to culturally digest our recent immigrants. Harvard scholar Samuel Huntington, who presciently wrote of a “clash of civilizations” years before 9/11, warns of the threat to America’s national cohesion from an ever-growing, poorly assimilated Latino population.

All such warnings seem unduly dire — until, as the Europeans have learned, they come to pass. Then it’s too late (what are you going to do, deport them all?). The stakes in the current immigration debate are huge, in both defining our laws and what we are as a nation. The protesters in the street get it. Does Congress?

Rich Lowry is author of Legacy: Paying the Price for the Clinton Years.


(c) 2006 King Features Syndicate


 

 
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American Dhimmitude
1 posted on 04/01/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

--thanks--


2 posted on 04/01/2006 11:20:07 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: neverdem

Rich Lowry is a good man.


3 posted on 04/01/2006 11:26:41 AM PST by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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To: neverdem

Do you support or oppose H.R. 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005?

Support
82.2%


Oppose
17.8%





Ask any Veteran
what they think of the "plan" to reward
illegal "guest workers"
with a "path" to citizenship.




Time for the real conservatives on FR,
be it Republicans, Independents or Democrats
(like Zell Miller and John O'Neill) to band together
and oust the looney left and RINO's




The "Politically Correct RINO's" on FR are the same group
who "swore"
klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".

NOW the The "Politically Correct RINO's" on FR
want YOU to actually support the "plan" to reward illegal "guest workers"
with a "path" to citizenship.

How could an illegal be a "guest" of anything?

What part of criminal don't RINO's understand?


4 posted on 04/01/2006 12:48:45 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (How could an illegal be a "guest" of anything? What part of criminal don't RINO's understand?)
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To: neverdem; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; bkwells; ...

Free Republic Opinion Poll:
Do you support or oppose H.R. 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005?

FReeper Member Opinion
as of 4/01/06 at 1 PM PST

Support 83.6% 1,468

Oppose 16.4% 289

100.0% 1,757

Thank Goodness the FReeper RINO's are
only 16.4 %




The "Politically Correct RINO's" on FR are the same group
who "swore"
klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".

NOW the The "Politically Correct RINO's" on FR
want YOU to actually support the "plan" to reward illegal "guest workers"
with a "path" to citizenship.

How could an illegal be a "guest" of anything?

What part of criminal don't RINO's understand?


5 posted on 04/01/2006 12:57:03 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (How could an illegal be a "guest" of anything? What part of criminal don't RINO's understand?)
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To: neverdem

"illegal immigrants" is tantamount to calling terrorists "insurgents".. They're illegal ALIENS!! Just like Martians would be.




Proponents of an amnesty and guest-worker program often say, “There are some jobs Americans won’t do.” When it comes to manning massive protests against our immigration laws, they are right. For that, you need illegal labor.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-hicks1apr01,0,6111380,print.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

"What immigrant-rights groups refuse to acknowledge is that an unchecked flow of unskilled labor drives down wages for entry-level jobs, rendering all poor Americans, including millions of teenage workers, less than competitive."

"Are illegal workers doing jobs that Americans won't do? This often-heard argument is specious. The reality is that most Americans won't do entry-level labor for the meager wages often offered to undocumented workers."


6 posted on 04/01/2006 1:01:13 PM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


7 posted on 04/01/2006 1:08:42 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: neverdem
"just more fish wrap from nro"
8 posted on 04/01/2006 1:16:03 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


9 posted on 04/01/2006 1:19:35 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: dr_who_2; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...


NRO Fishwrap Ping?

Fishwrap? Huh?

10 posted on 04/01/2006 2:09:14 PM PST by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: neverdem

Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!

IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!


President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!

Start building the fence.

It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.


11 posted on 04/01/2006 2:18:48 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO")
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To: neverdem

I think what we're seeing now is that a few months ago, maybe twenty percent of Americans were aware of illegal immigration, and eighty percent of those didn't like it.

Now, thanks to the rallies and them flying that flag, and badmouthing patriotic Americans, eighty percent of Americans are aware of illegal immigration and eighty percent of us don't like it.

Them croutons are digging their own grave...


12 posted on 04/01/2006 2:49:12 PM PST by djf (Young man! Take your pill! There are geezers in Miami without Viagra!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Laege Majority Favor Guest Workers
13 posted on 04/01/2006 2:54:54 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: neverdem

Oh, BTW, and last year I had about 8 lettuce plants in my garden. Had as much lettuce as I needed all summer/fall. Then the suckers went to seed.

Last I looked, which was yesterday, I got about 8,649 lettuce seedlings starting in my garden.
All lettuce is is an edible weed.

Put your kids to work about an hour a week, and you'll have more lettuce than you can shake a stick at.


14 posted on 04/01/2006 3:02:09 PM PST by djf (Young man! Take your pill! There are geezers in Miami without Viagra!)
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To: neverdem; All

The illegal aliens and the criminals who hire them and the criminals who harbor them are getting out in the street making their desires known. It is way past time those of us who support the rule of law and secure borders did the same.

Join Veterans for Secure Borders, The Minuteman Project, Latino Americans for Immigration Reform, Mothers Against Illegal Aliens, and other groups protesting amnesty for these criminals, and demanding the government protect our borders.

http://www.areckoning.com/

FReepers should be at this rally in strength. Saturday, May 6, in Crawford, TX.


15 posted on 04/01/2006 3:10:19 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Ben Ficklin
LA Kennedy backs Bush on Illegals!




16 posted on 04/01/2006 3:18:02 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (How could an illegal be a "guest" of anything? What part of criminal don't RINO's understand?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; potlatch








17 posted on 04/01/2006 3:34:35 PM PST by devolve ( upload to free imagehosts Photobucket & Imagecave)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Its too bad that the republican party couldn't unite behind Bush, if only to stop Kennedy as the man who calls the shots on immigration.

If it is any solace, two years ago Tancredo predicted that the bill that Congress produces will be worse than the Bush Plan.

18 posted on 04/01/2006 3:37:12 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: neverdem
Amen Rich! Preach it brother.

Republicans are tempted to get on this treadmill, too, in order not to “alienate the Latino vote.” It used to be only California that the GOP had to fear “losing,” but now it’s also Arizona, Texas, and Colorado, with Latino voters becoming more important in southern states like Georgia and North Carolina as well. But whatever Republicans do to allow more Latinos into the country only creates more Democratic voters in the near term. If demographics isn’t quite destiny, it really matters. Look at Europe. Muslim immigration is challenging the cultural identity of Holland and has created unpoliced no-go zones in the Paris suburbs. The nightmare is something similar happening here, unless we pause to culturally digest our recent immigrants. Harvard scholar Samuel Huntington, who presciently wrote of a “clash of civilizations” years before 9/11, warns of the threat to America’s national cohesion from an ever-growing, poorly assimilated Latino population. All such warnings seem unduly dire — until, as the Europeans have learned, they come to pass. Then it’s too late (what are you going to do, deport them all?). The stakes in the current immigration debate are huge, in both defining our laws and what we are as a nation. The protesters in the street get it. Does Congress?

we are being betrayed ..

19 posted on 04/01/2006 3:40:09 PM PST by wardaddy (you get older and you realize "tired" and "sleepy" are way different)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!


20 posted on 04/01/2006 3:40:44 PM PST by wardaddy (you get older and you realize "tired" and "sleepy" are way different)
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To: Ben Ficklin

That large majority favoring guest workers is a figment of the liberal times immagination. ( and yours)


21 posted on 04/01/2006 3:42:55 PM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial

Do tou think they fabricated the poll?


22 posted on 04/01/2006 3:50:25 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: HiJinx
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


23 posted on 04/01/2006 3:56:56 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tonk?
What I'd like to know is:


Member Opinion

Oppose 16.4% 291
100.0% 1,776

We have 16% here that still don't get it?! How is that even possible?

Non-Member Opinion

Oppose 18.9%


24 posted on 04/01/2006 4:09:22 PM PST by JustPiper (Illegals are NOT being denied Civil Rights...That is for U.S. Civil-ians Fool !)
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To: JustPiper

"We have 16% here that still don't get it?! How is that even possible?"

It's what happens when party "talking points"
are more important than America's future.


25 posted on 04/01/2006 4:16:19 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (How could an illegal be a "guest" of anything? What part of criminal don't RINO's understand?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Amnesty over my dead body!

Semper Fi'
Jarhead


26 posted on 04/01/2006 4:25:12 PM PST by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Do tou think they fabricated the poll?

Well, put it this way: If this was really such a popular idea, why would Congress have any issues about first passing a border-security bill? Then they could go ahead with guest workers, and still have popular support for it, right? But they won't do that, precisely because they know that once the border is secured, there won't be the same appetite for guest workers.

27 posted on 04/01/2006 4:50:26 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: devolve

Poor Linus is not a 'protected' child!!


28 posted on 04/01/2006 7:39:07 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
posted at LA indymedia

LA Harbor Shut Down
by Pachuco Saturday, Apr. 01, 2006 at 1:28 PM

Is a shut down of the LA Harbor possible?

The port truckers will be demonstrating and marching in Wilmington near the L.A. Harbor on May Day - 2006.

Efforts should be joined with the port trucker L.A. Harbor demonstration since that will involve actually shutting down the Los Angeles Harbor.

The "marches and speeches and then go home" model of demonstrating is good but actually shutting down the Los Angles Harbor is a whole other dimension - it is a dimension that many cannot even conceptualize since it has been so long ago in American history that those tactics have been used.

The port truckers are virtually all Chicano and/or Latino and are a high percentage immigrants as well. Of course, they are also all workers. Will the middle class and "liberal" groups support the port truckers as they attempt to hold a General Strike and close the Los Angeles Harbor.

www.cirnow.org/content/en/caworkersday_050106.htm


29 posted on 04/01/2006 10:09:44 PM PST by LNewman
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To: inquest
Perhaps you've never heard of Ted Kennedy. He has been calling the shots on immigration for many years, and apparently, still is.

However bad that might be, we can take consolation in the fact that the Bush Plan is dead. Hah.

30 posted on 04/02/2006 8:49:40 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

"Do tou think they fabricated the poll?"

Yes, I do when every other poll taken over the last few years shows an overwhelming opposition to this. There is a collection of the polling data at fairusa if you don't believe me.


31 posted on 04/02/2006 10:08:33 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Ben Ficklin
He has been calling the shots on immigration for many years, and apparently, still is.

Teddy isn't capable of stopping the Republicans from introducing border-security bills. Only they can stop themselves from doing that, despite the fact that such bills are guaranteed to enjoy broad public support.

32 posted on 04/02/2006 12:02:56 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest

The Bush plan is the Kennedy plan just like the Bush education plan was the Kennedy plan. The Bush/Kennedy/McCain/Hillary amnisty is the one favored by the ruling political class.

Look at what they are all saying. They are all reading the same talking points.


33 posted on 04/02/2006 12:16:21 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran; All
Re: NOTICE TO WHITE AMERICA - Latinos Will Take Over Soon, Move If you Don't Like It

by "Ingsoc" May 7, 2005 at 04:58 AM

> wrote in message... To all white thiefs! >

Latinos will take over this country in the next 30 years. If you whites don't like it, move elsewhere. You stole 1/2 of Mexico and we are rightfully taking back what is ours. Our women are told to have as many babies as their health will allow, each latino baby is another victory for the reconquest of OUR land. The more latinos we have here, the more political power we have. We will take more political offices and then create new laws to tax whites more and more and more. This will give us extra money for our needs and make whites angry and thus cause them to move away, away from OUR land.

> We even have the full support of President Bush, he is clearly on OUR side and agrees with us! Bush is really a latino at heart, he speaks perfect Spanish and is a good friend of the great Mexican President Vicente Fox.

Viva Mexico! Viva Aztlan!

source: http://talkaboutgovernment.com/group/alt.politics.correct/messages/263499.html

34 posted on 04/02/2006 1:04:39 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: inquest

Introducing a bill and passing a bill are different.


35 posted on 04/02/2006 1:47:56 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
When it comes to border security, the Senate Repubs haven't even gotten to the first part. And there's no excuse for it.
36 posted on 04/02/2006 4:11:11 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: inquest

Sure they have. Didn't you read Specters initial draft or Frist's bill. Of course both got blown out of the saddle. By you know who.


37 posted on 04/02/2006 4:45:29 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: neverdem

Poor Pubbies - looks like the chickens are coming home to roost ...


38 posted on 04/02/2006 4:48:07 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Minutemen - Protecting the border the President won't protect ...)
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To: Ben Ficklin
By you know who.

If the Republicans let him exercise any degree of power, especially over a bill that would meet with the approval of the vast majority of voters, then they're just as guilty as he is.

39 posted on 04/02/2006 5:04:44 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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