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Don't Deny That Some Muslims Are Hot For Jihad (Mark Steyn)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 04/02/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/02/2006 5:22:37 AM PDT by goldstategop

If I were an anti-war leftie, I'd be very depressed by the Iraq anniversary protests. A few hundred people show up hither and yon to see Cindy Sheehan get arrested for the 15th time that week, or Charlie Sheen unveil his critically acclaimed the-World-Trade-Center-was-a-controlled-explosion conspiracy theory. The "Hot Shots! Part Deux" star is apparently an expert in that field, and he'd never seen commercial property break up that quickly since Heidi Fleiss' hooker ring. Anyway, Susan Sarandon's going to play Cindy in the movie, or maybe she's playing Charlie, or both -- either way, they might as well give her the Oscar during the opening titles.

But, while Charlie Sheen is undoubtedly a valiant leader, you couldn't help noticing it was followers the anti-war crowd seemed to be short of on the third anniversary. The next weekend half a million illegal immigrants -- whoops, sorry, half a million fine upstanding members of the Undocumented-American community-- took to the streets, and you suddenly realized what a big-time demonstration is supposed to look like. These guys aren't even meant to be in the country and they can organize a better public protest movement than an anti-war crowd that's promoted 24/7 by the media and Hollywood.

Well, OK, half the anti-war crowd aren't meant to be in the country either, if they'd kept their promise to move to Canada after the last election. But my point is there's no mass anti-war movement. Some commentators claimed to be puzzled by the low turnout at a time when the polls show Iraq increasingly unpopular. But there are two kinds of persons objecting to the war: There's a shriveled Sheehan-Sheen left that's in effect urging on American failure in Iraq, and there's a potentially far larger group to their right that's increasingly wary of the official conception of the war. The latter don't want America to lose, they want to win -- decisively. And on the day's headlines -- on everything from the Danish cartoon jihad to the Afghan facing death for apostasy -- the fainthearted response of "public diplomacy" is in danger of sounding only marginally less nutty than Charlie Sheen.

The line here is "respect." Everybody's busy professing their "respect": We all "respect" Islam; presidents and prime ministers and foreign ministers, lapsing so routinely into the deep-respect-for-the-religion-of-peace routine they forget that cumulatively it begins to sound less like "Let's roll!" and too often like "Let's roll over!"

Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, gave a typical Western government official's speech the other day explaining that "a large number of Muslims in this country were -- understandably -- upset by those cartoons being reprinted across Europe and at their deeply held beliefs being insulted. They expressed their hurt and outrage but did so in a way which epitomized the learned, peaceful religion of Islam."

"The learned, peaceful religion of Islam"? And that would be the guys marching through London with placards reading "BEHEAD THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM" and "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS WESTERN TERRORISM" and promising to rain down a new Holocaust on Europe? This is geopolitics as the Aretha Franklin Doctrine: The more the world professes its R-E-S-P-E-C-T, the more the Islamists sock it to us.

At a basic level the foreign secretary's rhetoric does not match reality. Government leaders are essentially telling their citizens: Who ya gonna believe -- my platitudinous speechwriters or your lyin' eyes?

To win a war, you don't spin a war. Millions of ordinary citizens are not going to stick with a "long war" (as the administration now calls it) if they feel they're being dissembled to about its nature. One reason we regard Churchill as a great man is that his speeches about the nature of the enemy don't require unspinning or detriangulating.

If I had to propose a model for Western rhetoric, it would be the Australians. In the days after Sept. 11, the French got all the attention for that Le Monde headline -- "Nous sommes tous Americains" -- "We are all Americans," though they didn't mean it, even then. But John Howard, the Aussie prime minister, put it better and kept his word: "This is no time to be an 80 percent ally."

Marvelous. More recently, the prime minister offered some thoughts on the difference between Muslims and other immigrant groups. "You can't find any equivalent in Italian or Greek or Lebanese or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad," he said, stating the obvious in a way most political leaders can't quite bring themselves to do. "There is really not much point in pretending it doesn't exist."

Unfortunately, too many of his counterparts insist on pretending (at least to their citizenry) that it doesn't exist. What proportion of Western Muslims is hot for jihad? Five percent? Ten, 12 percent? Given that understanding this Pan-Islamist identity is critical to defeating it, why can't we acknowledge it honestly? "Raving on about jihad" is a line that meets what the law used to regard as the reasonable-man test: If you're watching news footage of a Muslim march promising to bring on the new Holocaust, John Howard's line fits.

Is it something in the water down there? Listen to Howard's Cabinet colleagues. Here's the Australian treasurer, Peter Costello, with advice for Western Muslims who want to live under Islamic law: "There are countries that apply religious or sharia law -- Saudi Arabia and Iran come to mind. If a person wants to live under sharia law these are countries where they might feel at ease. But not Australia."

You don't say. Which is the point: Most Western government leaders don't say, and their silence is correctly read by a resurgent Islam as timidity. I also appreciated this pithy summation by my favorite foreigner minister, Alexander Downer: "Multilateralism is a synonym for an ineffective and unfocused policy involving internationalism of the lowest common denominator." See Sudanese slaughter, Iranian nukes, the U.N.'s flop response to the tsunami, etc. It's a good thing being an Aussie Cabinet minister doesn't require confirmation by John Kerry and Joe Biden.

My worry is that the official platitudes in this new war are the equivalent of the Cold War chit-chat in its 1970s detente phase --when Willy Brandt and Pierre Trudeau and Jimmy Carter pretended the enemy was not what it was. Then came Ronald Reagan: It wasn't just the evil-empire stuff, his jokes were on the money, too. In their own depraved way, the Islamists are a lot goofier than the commies and a few gags wouldn't come amiss. If this is a "long war," it needs a rhetoric that can go the distance. And the present line fails that test.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chicagosuntimes; iraqwar; islam; islamofascism; itstimetowin; jihad; marksteyn; religionofpeace; steyn; vforvictory; war
We're at war. And most of have had it with the Religion Of Peace blather. Its time to win. Mark Steyn would add, its time to up the rhetoric to one appropriate to the challenge that we face. Let's not pussyfoot around Islam. Since a lot of their number is committed to jihad against the West, its high time to invoke the letter V in the Free World again.. V For Victory Over Islamofascism.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

1 posted on 04/02/2006 5:22:40 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607787/posts


2 posted on 04/02/2006 5:28:04 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: goldstategop; Admin Moderator

Already posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1607787/posts


3 posted on 04/02/2006 5:28:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; OSHA; cyborg; ...

sunday morning smilemaker


4 posted on 04/02/2006 5:29:46 AM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: goldstategop
Three cheers for Down Under that's more than an 80 perecent ally. This is my favorite quote:

It's a good thing being an Aussie Cabinet minister doesn't require confirmation by John Kerry and Joe Biden."

Steyn rocks!!!

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

5 posted on 04/02/2006 5:29:56 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

That statement by Alexander Downer says it all -- "Multilateralism is a synonym for an ineffective and unfocused policy involving internationalism of the lowest common denominator."


6 posted on 04/02/2006 5:31:46 AM PDT by hershey
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To: goldstategop
What proportion of Western Muslims is hot for jihad? Five percent? Ten, 12 percent?

Her is the answer to that question:

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims
7 posted on 04/02/2006 5:31:55 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: hershey
Downerspeak for a Kerry-designed ass-wiping do-nothing policy.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

8 posted on 04/02/2006 5:33:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: King Prout; goldstategop
If this is a "long war," it needs a rhetoric that can go the distance. And the present line fails that test.

Steyn On Form!!!

9 posted on 04/02/2006 7:52:53 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~¦ IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: Pokey78

pingaling


10 posted on 04/02/2006 8:13:34 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: goldstategop
The line here is "respect." Everybody's busy professing their "respect": We all "respect" Islam; presidents and prime ministers and foreign ministers, lapsing so routinely into the deep-respect-for-the-religion-of-peace routine they forget that cumulatively it begins to sound less like "Let's roll!" and too often like "Let's roll over!"
Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, gave a typical Western government official's speech the other day explaining that "a large number of Muslims in this country were -- understandably -- upset by those cartoons being reprinted across Europe and at their deeply held beliefs being insulted. They expressed their hurt and outrage but did so in a way which epitomized the learned, peaceful religion of Islam."

I'm reminded of this old saw:
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' while trying to find a large rock."

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that our pols are bothering to look.

11 posted on 04/02/2006 8:34:24 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: FreedomPoster

If it is already posted why are you reading this one?


12 posted on 04/02/2006 8:50:23 AM PDT by clodkicker
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To: Tax-chick

bttt


13 posted on 04/02/2006 9:57:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Baby milk factory and all-night laundry -- please tip your server!)
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To: Dog Gone; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
Thanks!

Steyn ping!


14 posted on 04/02/2006 10:28:48 AM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; Publius6961; ...
Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

15 posted on 04/02/2006 10:32:58 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings

Ping


16 posted on 04/02/2006 10:33:31 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Pokey78

Thanks!


17 posted on 04/02/2006 10:33:36 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: clodkicker
If it is already posted why are you reading this one?

Probably because it wasn't needlessly excerpted.

18 posted on 04/02/2006 10:34:45 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: goldstategop

From now on let's start by calling it ROJ (religion of Jihad) instead.


19 posted on 04/02/2006 10:39:02 AM PDT by Chgogal (The US Military fights for Freedom of the Press while the NYT lies about the Military and cowers...)
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To: goldstategop

Bump


20 posted on 04/02/2006 10:41:44 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Dog Gone

21 posted on 04/02/2006 10:42:42 AM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: Pokey78

LOL, I'm stealing that graphic.


22 posted on 04/02/2006 10:44:24 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: clodkicker; FreedomPoster
If it is already posted why are you reading this one?

A thread, fwiw, on which the vigilant FP posted not, and which has fewer responses than this one.

23 posted on 04/02/2006 11:28:05 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Pokey78

Thanks, Pokey, as always!
Cheers
Jim


24 posted on 04/02/2006 11:32:48 AM PDT by gymbeau (Alberta. Bound.)
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To: goldstategop
Jihad is typified by tribalism and extreme violence. Its attraction is in direct proportion to its success in allowing its adherents to inflict violence on other people. It becomes steadily less attractive when its adherents wind up dead in the street. And it's a lot less attractive in Iraq than it used to be.
25 posted on 04/02/2006 11:53:23 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: goldstategop

K-k-k-kaffir, stop that screaming, kaffir, don't you see?
Don't wanna be no pigdog fool.
Maybe I should go to hell, but I'm doin' well,
Mullah needs to see me after school.

I think of all the education that I missed,
But then my homework was never quite like this...
Got it bad, got it bad, got it bad,
I'm hot for jihad.
I got it bad, so bad,
I'm hot for jihad...

"...Hey, I heard you missed us, we're back!"
"I brought my dagger...
"Gimme someone to carve on, man...."


26 posted on 04/02/2006 12:01:50 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Ah, Mom, you know I'm not like the other guys. I'm nervous and my sandals are too loose....")
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To: goldstategop

This article backs up the need for deportation of ALL foreign nationals who are Muslims:
"The Islamist Challenge to the U.S. Constitution"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607608/posts


27 posted on 04/02/2006 12:09:00 PM PDT by FBD (surf's up!)
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To: goldstategop

Thanks for the FULL version.

Steyn BTTT


28 posted on 04/02/2006 12:16:21 PM PDT by hattend (Let's unpimp the Democrat Party!)
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To: knighthawk

As usual, right on target!


29 posted on 04/02/2006 12:19:23 PM PDT by Bullish ( The pig headed monkeys of Islam can kiss my grits!)
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To: Man50D
The vast majority are "hot of jihad" I can assure you. There are several levels of jihad all with a single goal, the Islamization of the entire world. Level one is to breed like rabbits and outproduce the infidel so that it can take over by sheer weight of numbers (explains widespread poverty in Muslim countries). Second level is to proselytize by making converts through literature, preaching, etc. Third level is to proselytize by using intimidation, threats, rewards, etc. Fourth level of jihad is to use force. I believe nearly all Muslims believe all of these methods are valid or minimally are theoretically valid.
30 posted on 04/02/2006 12:36:25 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Pokey78

Thank you.


31 posted on 04/02/2006 1:23:32 PM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: goldstategop

btt to styne


32 posted on 04/02/2006 1:24:38 PM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: NCSteve
I also appreciated this pithy summation by my favorite foreigner minister, Alexander Downer: "Multilateralism is a synonym for an ineffective and unfocused policy involving internationalism of the lowest common denominator."

Nobody else even comes close ...

33 posted on 04/02/2006 2:33:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Baby milk factory and all-night laundry -- please tip your server!)
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To: Tax-chick
Nobody else even comes close ...

It's like finding Easter eggs when you were a kid, or waking up to find what the Tooth Ferry left you. He's a genuine treasure, I tell you.

Did you read the article by the lefty who said that even though he hates most of what Steyn writes, he has to read him constantly, just for the joy of how well he writes it?

34 posted on 04/02/2006 3:44:47 PM PDT by NCSteve
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To: NCSteve

No, I missed that. Once in a while I read something from the dreadful Mark Morford, for the same reason ... sometimes he really puts the words together.


35 posted on 04/02/2006 3:51:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Baby milk factory and all-night laundry -- please tip your server!)
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To: goldstategop

Call the WOT, "Operation Hulegu". That should get their attention.


36 posted on 04/02/2006 4:20:42 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: goldstategop

BTTT


37 posted on 04/02/2006 4:59:50 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Teacher317
I'm reminded of this old saw: "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' while trying to find a large rock."

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that our pols are bothering to look.

Well, I think that the problem is that they are looking for "Iraq", not "a rock".

And the problem extends into Iran, Pakistan, Wahabbi-type Sauds, etc. ;-)

Cheers!

38 posted on 04/02/2006 6:19:23 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Pokey78; King Prout; knighthawk
Is it something in the water down there? Listen to Howard's Cabinet colleagues. Here's the Australian treasurer, Peter Costello, with advice for Western Muslims who want to live under Islamic law: "There are countries that apply religious or sharia law -- Saudi Arabia and Iran come to mind. If a person wants to live under sharia law these are countries where they might feel at ease. But not Australia."

Here here! My sentiments exactly.

Thanks for the ping. Steyn is always right on the money.

39 posted on 04/02/2006 6:44:50 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the Steyn ping; this one really, really rocks.


40 posted on 04/02/2006 7:45:49 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Fake it until you can make it.)
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To: knighthawk

Thanks for the ping.


41 posted on 04/02/2006 8:37:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Peace happens when evil is vanquished -- Cal Thomas)
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To: goldstategop
The next weekend half a million illegal immigrants -- whoops, sorry, half a million fine upstanding members of the Undocumented-American community-- took to the streets, and you suddenly realized what a big-time demonstration is supposed to look like. These guys aren't even meant to be in the country and they can organize a better public protest movement than an anti-war crowd that's promoted 24/7 by the media and Hollywood.

LOL

42 posted on 04/02/2006 8:40:24 PM PDT by GOPJ (Peace happens when evil is vanquished -- Cal Thomas)
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To: Pokey78

thanks for the ping


43 posted on 04/02/2006 10:22:48 PM PDT by irv
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To: Pokey78
Thanks, Pokey! Unexcerpted! Just for that, you get a clooney/sarandon pic....


44 posted on 04/02/2006 11:13:38 PM PDT by Watery Tart (Feingold (CFR-WI): "[W]hy (were my) actions necessary, appropriate, or legal?" Censure whom?)
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to see Cindy Sheehan get arrested for the 15th time that week

Isn't there a law somewhere under which she could be shuffled away for being a perpetual public nuisance?

45 posted on 04/02/2006 11:50:12 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: clodkicker
"If it is already posted why are you reading this one?"

- Perhaps it's just FreedomPoster's polite way of informing goldstategop that before wasting his time and bandwidth that he take 30 seconds to check and see if someone has already posted the article.
It should be as automatic as using the spell check before hitting post.
46 posted on 04/03/2006 6:50:59 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: Teacher317
Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, gave a typical Western government official's speech the other day explaining that "a large number of Muslims in this country were -- understandably -- upset by those cartoons being reprinted across Europe and at their deeply held beliefs being insulted. They expressed their hurt and outrage but did so in a way which epitomized the learned, peaceful religion of Islam."

Here, Mark Steyn demonstrates that he does not understand understated British humor. This is a stinging rebuke to Islam.

"The learned, peaceful religion of Islam"? And that would be the guys marching through London with placards reading "BEHEAD THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM" and "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS WESTERN TERRORISM" and promising to rain down a new Holocaust on Europe? This is geopolitics as the Aretha Franklin Doctrine: The more the world professes its R-E-S-P-E-C-T, the more the Islamists sock it to us.

And here, Mark Steyn demonstrates that he has a truly embarrassing lack of understanding of Aretha Franklin...

I love ya' Mark, if you're out there. You're still tops in my book!

47 posted on 04/03/2006 9:40:18 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Rice '08)
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