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10,000+ ON THE MARCH (illegals say walls won't keep them out)
NY POST ^ | April 2, 2006 | DOUGLAS MONTERO and LORENA MONGELLI

Posted on 04/02/2006 5:43:00 AM PDT by Liz

A roiling sea of immigrants - many of them in the country illegally - and their supporters poured across the Brooklyn Bridge and into Manhattan yesterday to protest what they call "oppressive" reform measures currently under consideration in Congress.

Marchers, waving flags from Mexico, Colombia, Honduras and El Salvador, chanted and carried signs recalling America's roots during the demonstration, organized by state Sen. Ruben Diaz, a Bronx Democrat and native of Puerto Rico.

"That flag on top of the Brooklyn Bridge is symbolic because all these other flags, all these other nations, are covered by the USA," declared Ismael Claudio, 35, also a native Puerto Rican and therefore a U.S. citizen.

In the House, legislation already has passed that would set penalties for anyone who knowingly assists or encourages an illegal immigrant to remain in the country.

The Senate may adopt a broader bill that would be less punitive, create a guest-worker program and open a path to citizenship for the estimated 11M immigrants now in the country without proper papers.

As they trekked over the bridge, demonstrators carried signs proclaiming, "Did the pilgrims need green cards?"

Patricia Urgules, 35, of Ecuador, said......"I came here in search of the American Dream - the dream to be free, to be treated equally," she said. "We only ask for those basic principles this country was founded on."

Construction worker Eduardo Segundo, 40, of Harlem, scoffs at the notion, mentioned by Mayor Bloomberg last week, of a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border.

He recalled sneaking across the border 12 years ago - and said 20 of his and his wife's relatives now live in the United States. ".....The wall that they build will not work. People will just figure out a way to cross."

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FREEPER ACTIVISM---REFERENCE POINTS:

Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

-Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

-Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

-Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Furthermore....

Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act in 1996; (Deportation and exclusion procedures were consolidated, effective April 1, 1997.)

-The president can deport any alien who was deemed dangerous.

1 posted on 04/02/2006 5:43:01 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

OMG! I think America is in deep trouble here. I don't like anything that I have been seeing. Not good. Not good at all.


2 posted on 04/02/2006 5:44:30 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Liz

sounds like a declaration of war to me!!


3 posted on 04/02/2006 5:46:55 AM PDT by mo
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To: Liz

Send in ICE and the National Guard!


4 posted on 04/02/2006 5:47:12 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Liz
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So we'll have to turn to other methods.
5 posted on 04/02/2006 5:50:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: SheLion

Congress provided in the Civil Rights Act of 1866 declaring persons born in the US who are subject to a foreign power are deemed to be non-citizens of the United States. That means children of immigrants--anchor babies--and any other individuals born here---who are running around carrying Mexican flags, and following the orders of the Mexican government, are not considered US citizens under the 1866 US Civil Rights law.


Here's the deal: The protestors--carrying Mexican flags---and the Mexican government share the same goals: legalize Mexican illegal aliens and keep the borders open. The Mexican government sees this as a way to relieve economic pressure on their government to reform the economy.

Mexico's leaders also work to retain the loyalty of the immigrant mobs so that, even if our laws allow them to become American citizens, they retain their loyalty to Mexico, and are subjects of the Mexican government.

In the Mexican Congress, it was recently announced that a document would be drafted, to show support for the protest marches in our country. The Mexican government published advertisements in leading American newspapers calling for the legalization of illegal immigrants (those in the United States, not in Mexico) and "a far-reaching guest workers scheme." Not only that, said the ads, but "in order for a US guest workers program to be viable, Mexico should participate in its design, management, supervision and evaluation."

In other words, the Mexican government wants veto power over U.S. immigration policy. Outrageously, many in our own government are assuming the Hyphenate-Fellate position and are only too happy to oblige, as long as there's votes and campaign contributions to be had.

Ruben Aguilar, spokesman for President Vicente Fox, made this statement to support the marches: "The recent protests carried out in different places in the United States are indicative of the imminent necessity of a migratory accord that corresponds to the interests of both countries, and that especially to the defense of the rights of migrants. The government of the (Mexican) Republic ratifies its commitment to the Mexicans who live in the United States and its intention to work in the defense of their rights ..."


It remains to be done that Congress act to deny citizenship to any individual on American soil who is subject to, and who is following the orders of, a foreign government.


6 posted on 04/02/2006 5:51:32 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: mo

These fools better hope a wall works because the next countermeasure will be bullets.


7 posted on 04/02/2006 5:52:29 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: mo
You got that right. All of this demonstrates the mindset of invasion rather than immigration-----and The Plan by illegals to overthrow the US government. Here's what we have to look forward to:

Reconquista Armando Navarro 'Ethnic Studies' Professor at the University of California, Riverside Anti-American, Fifth-Column Menace. "Ladies and Gentlemen, what this means (the immigration bill) is a transfer of power, it means control, and it is the young people, the people who are now moving to develop an agenda for the twenty first century they are going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, even in the terms of an Aztlan...."


8 posted on 04/02/2006 5:54:31 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: Liz

I saw this march on TV, there couldn't have been more than 1000 people participating.


9 posted on 04/02/2006 5:54:59 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Liz
If they were protesting with the message, "Please consider our plea to become contributing American citizens in this country which we love," it would be easier to be empathetic, but they're aggressively and hatefully demanding that we let them stay, as if we owe it to them and as if we're the criminals.

I work in a public high school and many of the students who 'walked' last week are p-i-s-s-e-d at us, full of venom and hatred.

10 posted on 04/02/2006 5:56:12 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: SheLion
OMG! I think America is in deep trouble here. I don't like anything that I have been seeing. Not good. Not good at all.

Ya know the more I see this kind of thing the more it scared I become...this is not just some illegals wanting to come here to move into better circustances it's an all out uprising...

In all my life I haven't felt my country has been so immediately threatened...

11 posted on 04/02/2006 5:56:55 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Liz

12 posted on 04/02/2006 5:57:58 AM PDT by Dallas59 (MOHAMMED LIED-PEOPLE DIED)
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To: cripplecreek
......we'll have to turn to other methods.....


13 posted on 04/02/2006 5:58:19 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: pax_et_bonum
"work in a public high school and many of the students who 'walked' last week are p-i-s-s-e-d at us, full of venom and hatred."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>............
many on FR who are alarmed at the illegals here and the lack of law enforcement should understand WHY this is happening:
Our leaders (elite) have been convinced that a unified government of North America is first step to a unified world government which will ensure peace and eliminate the threat of nuke or WMD wars..they are destroying our nation to save mankind,,what fools they are.
14 posted on 04/02/2006 6:01:25 AM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Liz
In other words, the Mexican government wants veto power over U.S. immigration policy. Outrageously, many in our own government are assuming the Hyphenate-Fellate position and are only too happy to oblige, as long as there's votes and campaign contributions to be had.

I can't stand most of our lawmakers today!  They promise us the moon to get our votes, and once in office all they hand us is the outhouse.  I'm sick of the lying thieves!  Our government is getting us into such deep doo-doo and I can't see anyway out, at this point.

It remains to be done that Congress act to deny citizenship to any individual on American soil who is subject to, and who is following the orders of, a foreign government.

Yes, but will they?!

And our government is lying to us when they say our obese and our smokers are costing higher health care.  This is a cover up!  It's the ILLEGAL ALIENS WE ARE TREATING that is driving up our health care cost.  The lawmakers are just trying to take the easy way out and blame Americans.  I'm sick of it!

15 posted on 04/02/2006 6:03:11 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Liz

16 posted on 04/02/2006 6:04:37 AM PDT by TeddyCon
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To: Liz

......"I came here in search of the American Dream - the dream to be free, to be treated equally," she said. "We only ask for those basic principles this country was founded on."


The rule of law was one of the biggest 'principles' America was founded on? No law, no America. No America, no American dream. You follow, hon?


17 posted on 04/02/2006 6:05:01 AM PDT by TalBlack (I WON'T suffer the journalizing or editorializing of people who are afraid of the enemies of freedom)
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To: Liz; All
Here's the boilerplate:


It is my opinion that we are already in WWIV ( WWIII being the Cold War ) and there are two, somewhat interlocking elements to it:

Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Pic, and scroll backwards:

"Thunder on the Border," click the picture:

( PS- my personal prediction? That picture will become one of the most widely distributed, and most hated, pictures on the internet. The Illegal lobby could not have done more damage to themselves with that "Mexican Flag Superior, America in Distress" photograph if they had tried... )


Now, here's some of the "why" behind part of it:

My wife- the "former Democrat"-- finally "got" why unrestricted, illegal immigration is bad- when she saw what it did in our neighborhood, to the value of our house. Try to sell your home when 2 doors down the duplex has a yard full of cars ( and trucks, the newest & gaudiest ), three satellite dishes, and 15 or so people living in a space meant for four?

Good luck.

This is an "Issue" that cuts across party lines, demographics, and everything else.

In addition, whatever the arguable social costs are ( and there are many, despite what apologists for Illegal Aliens claim )-- you simply cannot ignore the vast breech it causes in National Security when we are engaged in the fourth world war.

Months ago, Roger Hedgecock reported that besides the usual Arabic detritus being found along our borders by Homeland Security, they were finding Chinese trash as well.

WTH is coming over our borders?
( besides [see my links] mumps, antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis, and God-knows what else )


18 posted on 04/02/2006 6:06:47 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: Liz; mo
and The Plan by illegals to overthrow the US government. 

Just forking wonderful!  They want to overthrow our government and the Muslims want to do the same.  I see no win in sight.  Does anyone else???? 

The following map is outdated.  More Mosque's have moved in across the United States since this map was published.   A lot of aliens coming across the borders are Islam and they head right for a Mosque for cover. 

This scares me and I'm not afraid of 'nuthin!'

 

19 posted on 04/02/2006 6:07:04 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Liz

Your government will not defend you and will not defend the borders. The message to the invaders is that each individual American citizen is on their own to defend themselves and their property.

Lock and load - because that's the only way you're keeping your stuff.


20 posted on 04/02/2006 6:07:57 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Liz
Another thing I am sick of.............PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH! ugh!
21 posted on 04/02/2006 6:08:11 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Farmer Dean

Applying the law as it is written would work. The move to enforce the laws should begin at the offices of the companies hiring illegals. We looked at a new condo complex in Maryland a few days ago. The place was overflowing with Mexican workers doing every kind of job. Were they legal? Who knows?
The buses full of baskets and Mexicans roll through Maryland
Eastern Shore. They appear to be planting some crops by hand. They are here and there are many. Politicians should enforce the laws or shut the he** up. The politicans allowed this entire matter to fester and now they have concerns? Maybe they should check with local schools and see just how much the taxpayers are be tagged to educate
children of illegals. How much does it cost to care for the sick among them?
In my opinion there is nothing they can do now but go after the employers and send them to jail.


22 posted on 04/02/2006 6:08:28 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Liz

I wonder if they will feel the same way if bullets are flying at them...


23 posted on 04/02/2006 6:09:19 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: sirchtruth

The truly ugly truth of the matter is that none of this would be happening if the Democrats weren't trying to backstab President Bush at every chance they get in this time of war.

They believe that doing so will help them win the next election.

Our enemies see this nation as divided, crumbling, and ready for collapse and are even daring us to act(Hugo Chavez, North Korea, and Iran) knowing that thanks to the democrats nothing might be done to them.

And now we have those that believe we will surrender the entire southeast portion of the United States to Mexico in exchange for the end of illegal immigration protesting all over this country because they see a weakness.


24 posted on 04/02/2006 6:09:42 AM PDT by usmcobra (I always sing Karaoke the way it is meant to be sung, drunk, badly, and in Japanese)
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To: SheLion
"I think America is in deep trouble here. I don't like anything that I have been seeing. Not good. Not good at all."

Not at all---this stuff is absolutely great. Nothing is better for waking up the "sleeping giant" that is mainstream America.

These criminals come here, violate our laws (NOT just the ones on illegal entry--but they have to commit crime on a regular basis just to make a living--even if employed, and then have the audacity to DEMAND that we let even MORE criminals to enter.

They couldn't do more to damage their case if they were actually planning it.

25 posted on 04/02/2006 6:10:12 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: sirchtruth
Ya know the more I see this kind of thing the more it scared I become...this is not just some illegals wanting to come here to move into better circustances it's an all out uprising...

In all my life I haven't felt my country has been so immediately threatened...

I've put a good many years on this earth too, my friend, and the America we loved and grew up in will never be the same.  Our America as we knew it is gone.  I cry for America!

26 posted on 04/02/2006 6:10:31 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: ConsentofGoverned

"Our leaders (elite) have been convinced that a unified government of North America is first step to a unified world government which will ensure peace and eliminate the threat of nuke or WMD wars..they are destroying our nation to save mankind,,what fools they are."

Our leaders are convinced that they will be the new rulers over an enslaved populace. They will use the militarized police force of the defunct U.S. to enforce their will and the police will do so gladly saying "we were only following orders". It's been in the making for years.


27 posted on 04/02/2006 6:10:35 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Wonder Warthog
They couldn't do more to damage their case if they were actually planning it.

I just pray we aren't sucked in with that giant sweeper!

28 posted on 04/02/2006 6:13:45 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: dljordan

"They will use the militarized police force of the defunct U.S. to enforce their will and the police will do so gladly saying "we were only following orders". It's been in the making for years."
>>>>>>>>>>.............
At one time I would have put that in the Crazed rant nut case box, but I just don't know anymore the decisions at the Fed gov level just do not make sense unless they plan to weaken the USA and form some super government the old One world order then it does make sense.


29 posted on 04/02/2006 6:15:36 AM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: SheLion

And those latin TV channels on our cable system---three of them on at least one cable system I am familiar with.


30 posted on 04/02/2006 6:19:15 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: Liz
10,000+ ON THE MARCH (illegals say walls won't keep them out)

I say we build one and find out.
31 posted on 04/02/2006 6:20:48 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: cripplecreek

I have been thinking the same thing!!!!!


32 posted on 04/02/2006 6:24:20 AM PDT by buck61
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To: Liz
And those latin TV channels on our cable system---three of them on at least one cable system I am familiar with.

Oh yes!  And we were military and were stationed in Germany for 5 years.  We were told to "learn the language, that most German's can speak English, but they will not."  We are in their Country so we learn their language.

So why don't the illegal aliens, who say they want to become citizens, learn the damn language?  I understand there is a part of LA in California that NO one speaks English.  What's UP with this?

33 posted on 04/02/2006 6:28:25 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: pax_et_bonum
I work in a public high school and many of the students who 'walked' last week are p-i-s-s-e-d at us, full of venom and hatred.

Every stinking one of those who walked out should be expelled for the rest of the year.
34 posted on 04/02/2006 6:39:27 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: mo
"organized by state Sen. Ruben Diaz, a Bronx Democrat

Usual suspects, liberal, democrat who believe as socialists do. I will reiterate until the GOP gets it, the illegal invaders are and always will be liberal democrats

35 posted on 04/02/2006 6:40:56 AM PDT by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: SheLion

.....and German is a much more difficult language to learn than English.........


What's up with this?

It's b/c the illegals are too stupid and lazy to make the effort to learn.

That's why they demand taxpayers subsidize their every whim.


36 posted on 04/02/2006 6:42:15 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: SheLion

"Another thing I am sick of.............PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH! ugh"!


Just wait until it becomes "Press 1 for Spanish, Press 2 for English"...


37 posted on 04/02/2006 6:42:58 AM PDT by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

That's what I have been saying.

The high schools are so liberal and tech such hatred of the US, that of course these high school kids are full of contempt for the American flag, of course they demand, and do not ask.

And the more they see a weak response, the more will feel validated in their get-in-America's-racist-face attitude will feel right.

Then they go back to their high school classes and read more about the evil Columbus and how we killed all the Indians. Man, something's got to give.


38 posted on 04/02/2006 6:44:51 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: backhoe
Try to sell your home when 2 doors down the duplex has a yard full of cars ( and trucks, the newest & gaudiest ), three satellite dishes, and 15 or so people living in a space meant for four?

You forgot the boombox blaring banda.

39 posted on 04/02/2006 6:47:32 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Kozak; pax_et_bonum
No prom for student protesters
WFAA ^ | April 1, 2006 | Brad Watson

Mayra Hernandez and Lesly Hernandez planned to look pretty for the Ennis High School senior prom on Saturday night. But they won't be going because they joined a protest. "We all bought dresses, accessories, and we rented a limo and all that," Mayra said. "Now all that money is just going to waste."

Thousands of North Texas students skipped classes this week to demonstrate against the immigration bill now being considered by the U.S. Congress. About 130 Ennis ISD students—from sixth graders to seniors—joined in Thursday, despite a school district warning that any student participating would be suspended until Monday, including the prom. The district suspended Aracely Garcia, even though her mother excused her from school for the demonstration.

But as parents and school staff set up decorations for Saturday's event, the Ennis ISD held firm.

School officials declined interviews with News 8, but Superintendent Mike Harper told the Ennis Daily News, "one of the greatest gifts we give to immigrants and their families is a free public education, and it shows extraordinarily poor judgment for those who have received that gift to walk out on it."

If they can't go, the suspended seniors said they will walk in protest Saturday night outside KJT Auditorium, where the prom takes place.

FREEPER ACTIVISM:

EMAIL mike.harper@ennis.k12.tx.us

40 posted on 04/02/2006 6:48:29 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: Supernatural

It already has, I wish I could remember who I called, I thought it was a fluke now I realize it was intentional.

Make no mistake this invasion of that many people has sinister overtones, I asked the ques before what are the true reasons over 12 million mass of humanity has invaded our Country.


41 posted on 04/02/2006 6:49:36 AM PDT by stopem (Call any co you deal with and insist they not let any illegal work on or near your property, we did!)
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To: Supernatural
Just wait until it becomes "Press 1 for Spanish, Press 2 for English

"Presione 1 para el español, presionan 2 para el inglés"...

42 posted on 04/02/2006 6:49:54 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Liz

I read somewhere there were 55 million pot smokers. Why arent they whipping out joints, bongs, and roach clips and organizing a 55 million man march? Its obvious 13 million illegals will get what they want despite the fact they are here illegally.

I have friends waiting in line like everyones relatives did.

Put the military on the borders and do it NOW!


43 posted on 04/02/2006 6:51:26 AM PDT by halfright (9/11 3,000 Americans MURDERED...close the borders! N O W !!! Semper Fi !!)
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To: Kozak
Every stinking one of those who walked out should be expelled for the rest of the year.

Ours got ticketed (by police) $500. each, which is not an easy fine for their parents to have to pay.

On a lighter note, our kids, while 'walking,' took a wrong turn and didn't get to meet up with the groups from surrounding high schools.

:-)

44 posted on 04/02/2006 6:52:16 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: Kozak

45 posted on 04/02/2006 6:52:22 AM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: TeddyCon

damn straight! About 3 million of them


46 posted on 04/02/2006 6:54:00 AM PDT by halfright (9/11 3,000 Americans MURDERED...close the borders! N O W !!! Semper Fi !!)
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To: squarebarb
I substitute teach and one of the things that the kids know about me is that they had better stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance.

And they do.

There are ways to teach respect.

47 posted on 04/02/2006 6:54:48 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: Liz
If they can't go, the suspended seniors said they will walk in protest Saturday night outside KJT Auditorium, where the prom takes place.

Okay.

They're still not going to the prom.

48 posted on 04/02/2006 6:56:39 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: Kozak
Being expelled or suspended will mean nothing to them. It will just *prove* that they are *discriminated against* and used to justify whatever they feel like doing in return.

I have lived a fairly long time. This is just unreal and I don't recall it happening anywhere before. It is in-your-face rejection of our civil society. As such, any progressive is going to have a hard time sanctioning it and the rest of us are already furious and, in some cases, afraid of the future.

What is it going to take for the mass of Americans, the legal ones, the citizens, to stand up and take our country back? I have no faith that an armed uprising will accomplish anything, except to get Americans arrested and fined and incarcerated....or maybe a few will die in any subsequent riots. I am losing faith that we can do anything at the ballot box. Anyone with the money and party backing to even become a viable candidate will be bought in advance or, if not, then sabotaged.

Withhold taxes? Fines and jail and forfeiture. Tax revolt using an escrow account? The government can use garnishment to take what they want from any account. Millions of us in the street? Maybe it would be a wake-up call, but I can see it being used to brand us all as racists. A general strike in America? Won't happen and would take weeks before it was felt and even then, it would hurt the average hourly worker the most.

What do we realistically do about this that will work?
49 posted on 04/02/2006 6:56:55 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Mojave
You forgot the boombox blaring banda.

I was being polite, or trying to.

Anyone explained what the odd running lights ( usually red or blue, usually the windsheild washer spigots, but sometimes embedded in grilles or bumpers ) on the vehicles means?

50 posted on 04/02/2006 7:00:06 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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