Skip to comments.'Transnationalists' Don't Take Immigration Reform Seriously
Posted on 04/02/2006 6:47:06 AM PDT by kellynla
In his 1995 book "The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy," the late Christopher Lasch argued that America's political and cultural elites had opened up a gap between themselves and ordinary Americans. "Many of them have ceased to think of themselves as Americans in any important sense, implicated in America's destiny for better or worse," he wrote. They are increasingly detached from their fellow citizens and drawn to an international culture, Lasch said, or what we would today call a transnational culture.
Consider the current immigration debate in this light. In the transnational view, patriotism, assimilation and cultural cohesion are obsolete concerns. Borders and the nation-state are on the way out. Transnational flows of populations are inevitable. Workers will move in response to markets, not old-fashioned national policies on immigration. Norms set by internationalists will gradually replace national laws and standards. The world is becoming a single place. Trying to impede this unifying process is folly.
The term "transnationals" specifically refers to those working in and around international organizations and multinational corporations. More broadly, it indicates a cosmopolitan elite with a declining allegiance to the place where they live and work, and a feeling that nationalism and patriotism are part of the past.
To some extent, their worldview cuts across Democratic-Republican and liberal-conservative lines, and reinforces the other concerns that prevent immigration control: the desire for cheap labor and Hispanic votes. Old-line one-worlders and enthusiastic supporters of the United Nations hear the siren call. So do many academics, judges and journalists who attend international conferences and tend to adopt a common consciousness and world outlook.
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Fact is the RINOs and Bush who will sign it if it gets thru the House are pushing to make this a predominately Mexican or Central American nation founded largely by illegals once you factor in anchor families and the floodgates this will open. Some expect over 100 million poverty refugees in here in the next generation. Right now we are estimated up to 3 million per year. In the 1960s, it was maybe 20 thousand.
They think we should absorb all the world's poor simply becasue they lack the balls to try to stop it.
Our culture as we know it will be over. Like the Visigoths or Saxons or Moors....just not many on horseback carrying sabers..lol...the tides of population will crush us.
Those are our facts. You are a fool to ignore them or this is exactly what you want.
There are some minority FReepers here who blow very loud that anyone who opposes this is a bigot but the dilution of the majority culture in America is exactly what they want. So who is the bigot then?
You Rokke are to the left on nearly every hot topic issue I see you post on here. Aren't you some former govt aparatchik yourself?
But...to be fair....unlike the other collaborators you are still here fighting for your cause....most of the others are lying low.
I think the Frist capitulation was more than they ever dreamed possible...a fantasy come true
Because ideas don't hurt America. Ignorant voters hurt America. Corrupt politicians hurt America. Lying journalists hurt America. Not enforcing existing laws hurts America. But discussing ideas hurts no one. I worry more about people who are afraid to discuss alternative viewpoints than people who do. I firmly believe that if your viewpoint stands on its own merits, it will win the day. But if you must lie or repress competing viewpoints to support it, than you have a losing position being kept alive on a phony foundation. You are essentially living a lie. I trust America and Americans. Given the facts, the people of this country make the right decision everytime. So give them the facts. All the facts. And don't silence folks who disagree. If their arguments are wrong, the facts will reveal where they are wrong. We're starting to overwhelm our lying media. Are we going to replace it with our own dishonesty?
But Evad's last comment was dead on. This thread has become nothing more than a pissing contest. And that hurts Freerepublic. So this will be my last post.
I'll bet you think chemtrails are a danger to the Republic, too.
Sometimes fears are poorly understood, but justified anyhow. Globalism could be a conspiracy, or it could be an appealing idea to certain people who stand to benefit from it; it could be both. Either way, it will and already has lead to lost American sovereignty. Fear it for whatever reason you like -- or don't. Some people think it's too late to care. If you're one of them, enjoy your globalist future.
Exactly how has that occurred?
International courts have been given additional authority over American law, international military command has been exercised over our troops, and our economy has been subjected to competition with communist and third-world countries in the name of "globalism." International firearms laws under the concealment of "small arms control" are being pushed for Americans by the United Nations, and have been for years -- all in the name of globalism. On top of all of this, the press and our legislative bodies are both crying out for additional credence to international law when it comes to America's decisions regarding the disarmament of our enemies by force. Again, all of this is in the name of globalism. But you know all this. Good night, sinkspur!
No, I don't know this. This is all paranoia, right out of The New American.
I'd ask for some links to back up your wild ranting, but they'd likely come from prisonplanet.com or rense.com.
Some would say that you are a punk-a$$ piece of garbage. I wouldn't, but some would.
I would however raise the issue of your being a cabin boy for Tony Snow, and an ardent supporter of the CFR's "Building a North American Community" agenda, with one common border around our three formerly sovereign nation.
Some would say that anyone who promotes that treasonous agenda is a stinking piece of mierde traitor to America.
You're so much fun, sinkspur! But it's late here on the east coast. Good niiiiiighhht.
This is a back door approach to creating the CFR's "North American Community" by fait accompli.
In ten years, our traitor-elites will look us in the face and say, "Nothing can be done, we are stuck with the new reality. Therefore, the only way to deal with our common situation is with a common solutions, with one new nation stretching from the Arctic to Guatemala."
Count on it.
And you know the TRAITORS on Free Republic by how they are trying to push this open borders to no borders agenda today, in 2006.
Quisling: A word Norwegians are not very proud of having given to the world: it derives from Vidkun Quisling (1887-1945), a Norwegian politician who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II. He established his name as a synonym for "traitor", someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country, especially by serving in a puppet government. Quisling was found guilty of high treason in 1945, and
was executed by firing squad on the 24th October 1945.
We won't forget the traitors, either, who are knowingly selling out American sovereignty to the lowest bidder.
Hardly. You have an organization that not only calls for dissolution of borders but has testified to Congress several times on their ideas. Worse yet there are congressmen like Jim Kolbe who belong to it and are promoting amnesties and guest worker programs as we speak, exactly what the CFR is calling for. Excuse most of us who don't happen to believe that's just a coincidence or they're only a bunch of harmless old men who get to together to talk about women and football while they play pinochle.
The cartoon may be classified as "sad but true".
Strange bedfellows for "Republicans" (sic).
Filed it in the "Don't know whether to laugh or cry department".
Is that why his views on immigration of late have made most conservatives prone to lose their latest meal?
So a past CEO of LaRaza (stepped down in 2005) was on the task force of this project. Makes sense.
B your comments TTT.
He smoked you out!! LOL
I wonder where the cultural elites think they are going to live after they turn all the once great countries into cess pools? I'll bet that island is going to be REAL CROWDED.
The more I read about the CFR, the more I want to go hide under the bed. Why, here's what Lou Dobbs and Devvy Kidd have to say about the CFR:
Lou Dobbs, CNN Anchor: Good evening, everybody. Tonight, an astonishing proposal to expand our borders to incorporate Mexico and Canada and simultaneously further diminish U.S. sovereignty. Have our political elites gone mad? We'll have a special report. Blood ... Now, incredibly, a panel sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations wants the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada."
Christine Romans, CNN Correspondent (voice-over): On Capitol Hill, testimony calling for Americans to start thinking like citizens of North America and treat the U.S., Mexico and Canada like one big country.
(Devvy)For constitutionalists like myself, this is treason talk and Lou Dobbs should be thanked by the American people for exposing this evil plan. The fact that it is even being discussed in the U.S. Congress is putrid. The Council on Foreign Relations is an organization whose mission is to redefine American policy and slide this republic into a one-world government a nightmare beyond what most Americans can't even imagine
You know Devvy Kidd don't you?
In case you don't, here's a bit about her:
You know, if you start to think that most of these leaders of the "tax protestor" movement have a screw loose which is rattling around in only half a brain, you only have to look as far as Devvy Kidd for confirmation. Devvy buys into about every far-right-wing conspiracy theory, including that the world is actually illegally controlled by Freemasons. New World Order, United Nations, buying Chinese products -- if it is a stupid theory the odds are good that Devvy has bought into it whole hog.
Of course, not having half a brain doesn't mean that you can't cash in like the other tax scam artists. For a mere $24.95 you can get the whole Devvy collection of conspiracy theories and her "proof". But wait! Selling CDs is small pickin's compared to Devvy's other gig, which is endorsing "El Dorado Gold Discount" which deals in gold coins over the internet.
At one point, Devvy apparently tried to form the "Wallace Institute" (named after Mel Gibson's character in Braveheart) but was unsuccessful in getting 501(c)(3) charitable status, so that went by the wayside.
Devvy's theory regarding taxes is that the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified. Of course, she didn't do any significant research on her own but merely refers to ex-felon and fellow Quatlooser Bill Benson's "The Law That Never Was". In January of 2000, Devvy proclaimed that the Wallace Institute was preparing to file a lawsuit in Oklahoma City to declare the 16th Amendment illegal. The case of course went nowhere. Devvy also has put our flyers declaring the income tax to be "voluntary", although the courts have regularly sanctioned, fined, and convicted those who have raised this ridiculous argument.
Devvy has also been implicated in the "We the People" scam, which has had its greatest publicity recently with Lynne Meredith's indictment. We can only hope that Devvy is soon able to spend long hours chatting with her comrade-in-scam.
The "Davos Republicans" can't see the grinding poverty from a Gulfstream G-100 cruising at 40,000 feet.
Re: # 84 World Migration Organization (WMO) to regulate migrant labor
-- You posted it first.
FYI. The Rand corporation says that sending money back to "homeland countries"( a function of illegal immigration in America) may actually be fomenting global revolution instead of creating global stability, as our "free trader" friends would have us believe... but then again they may have an interest in fomenting this since the Department of Homeland Security came out of the Rand Corp. and they have many well paying contracts to implement it.
States are neither the only nor necessarily the most important sponsors of insurgent movements. Diasporasimmigrant communities established in other countriesfrequently support insurgencies in their homelands.1 Despite being separated by thousands of miles, homeland struggles are often keenly felt among immigrant communities.
Indeed, insurgents in Algeria, Azerbaijan, Egypt, India
(Punjab and Kashmir), Indonesia (Aceh), Ireland, Israel, Lebanon, Russia, Rwanda, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Northern Ireland, and Kosovo have all received various and important forms of support from their respective migrant communities.
Significant diaspora support has occurred in every region of the globe, except Latin America.Migrant communities have sent money, arms, and recruits back to their home countries, which have proven pivotal in sustaining insurgent campaigns. This support has at times significantly increased insurgents capabilities and enabled
them to withstand government counterinsurgency efforts.
Reliance on diasporas to wage an insurgency may become an
increasingly common phenomenon in years to come. Such
fundraising efforts are hardly new: Palestinian movements have done so for decades as have the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) and the PIRA, which have long relied on Kurds in Germany and Irish- Americans, respectively, to provide needed funds. But diasporas may be more important should state funding stop or become unobtainable, forcing insurgent groups to look elsewhere to sustain their
struggle. The withdrawal of superpower support in the early 1990s has already caused the collapse of several insurgencies that depended on Moscow to survive. In addition, the increasing number of ethnic or communal insurgencies relative to ideological conflicts increases the relative prevalence of diaspora support.
That photograph of the Mexican snotrag over our upside down standard...must...control...self...
Ever get the name of the officer who corrected that blasphemy while still surrounded by the naive products of higher (higher?) education traitors? I believe he's a hero who cannot be lauded, as there's almost no one holding high office with enough semblance of honor to do so without insulting the intended honoree or eliciting humiliating responses from an audience.
She's one of the Buchanan pitchforkers.
This thread is amazing.
The plot thickens. Thank you for bringing my attention to this. This definitely puts a different spin on all that is happening.
While Countries and entire nations are distributing wealth the MAIN LOSERS in this game will be the Citizens of the USA.
The host country will get the benefit of "cheap" labor but must provide "human rights;" e.g., jobs, health care, education, housing, and on and on. The source country will get the taxes.
We know that the illegals are sending money back to mexico, how does this benefit THIS country other than cheap labor?
So it appears that while Countries are playing these games the biggest losers are us, the citizens (?)
"Immigration Reform" my arse! This is NOT immigration reform! It's "let's change the laws so that people aren't breaking them any more." As a citizen, someone who's paid taxes in this country for nearly 30 years, I demand to know which laws I can break with impunity, where the government will change the laws, after the fact, to make the illegal acts I committed OK. For instance, I think that I want to be allowed to park in handicapped spaces from now on. Or in front of fire hydrants. And maybe rob a bank every now and then, just when I need some extra cash.
The immigration reform that we really need must take place in Mexico! I say that we need to say to Mexico, "your immigration laws will be put into effect on your citizens who have come here illegally. They will not be allowed to own property, and will be deported."
I keep hearing about how we need to put these people on the track for citizenship. Given the protest rallies I've been seeing, I'd have to say that these people don't want to become American citizens. What they want to do is return America to Mexican rule, at least the southern states. And that's NOT immigration. It's an alien invasion, a hostile act by a foreign country. And those invaders need to be treated as such.
No don't know who Devvy Kidd is and don't care.
A few years ago I wouldn't have given the CFR much thought either but the reality is it has members in positions of power who are carrying its water policy wise. They have a right to their opinion but all of us have a right to oppose them, especially when attempts are made to put their unsupported views into legislation.
The American Citizen is losing more than first thought because of the illegal
This may explain the Catholic Church involvement:
The struggles between the Catholic Church's political allies, such as the sprawling Holy Roman Empire, and the rising "nation-states" such as England helped mark the transition between the universalist medieval Europe and the nationalist modern Europe. (A nation-state is one government ruling one relatively sizable self-aware people. They might be united by genealogy, language, or simply by what Abraham Lincoln called "the mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battle-field and patriot grave...")
The rise of local European languages to dominance, replacing Latin even among most Churchmen, doomed the Catholic Church's ambitions for continued control.
In contrast, Arabic plays an even more central role in Islam than Latin did in Catholicism. It is the original language of the Koran. The faithful believe Arabic is Allah's own sacred language, in which the divinity dictated the Koran to Mohammed. This tenet encouraged the spread of Arabic to newly Muslim lands.
Hence, Arabic is now spoken from Morocco to Iraq. Since all of these people can understand each other, the notion of permanently settled boundaries dividing them is less politically appealing than in other parts of the world where language diversity encourages local solidarity and broad-scale distrust.
National borders work to quarantine chaos. The lack of borders widely recognized by Middle Easterners to be fully legitimate contributes to the region's instability.
So for those that aren't concerned about 10-20 million illegal invaders better educate themselves about what the real purpose is to import poverty.
If Clinton advocates bringing in more illegals, do you really think its good for this nation?
Before the vast resurgence in American patriotism that followed the 9.11 atrocities, nationalism had largely fallen out of fashion among elites in the Western world. For example, with exquisitely bad timing, ex-President Bill Clinton told an Australian audience the day before the sneak attacks that he believed in "the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world."
Think this isn't a liberal idea? Guess again.
Globalization became Plan A. for the CFR and pals when the Soviet Union collapsed, as if communism was dead as a doornail. Capitalism would raise third world countries to decent living standards, big business would thrive as never before, markets would boom worldwide, life would be good. (Islamofascism hadn't even been thought of, but even now has been waved away as not important. Accede to mullahs' demands and everything will be fine.) Just don't get in the way of globalization and God forbid anyone secure US borders. The latter is like sunlight to Dracula.
Elitists never considered what would happen if capitalism didn't solve third world problems. If an endless stream of millions of illegals headed north and stayed in the US, never returning home? (No problemo...simply pander to Hispanic voters.) Overwhelmed hospitals closing, the burden of educating/providing welfare for millions of nontaxpayers, not to mention incarcerating felons...the human cost of victims, plus the cost of putting illegals in jail. Drugs, gangs, the debasement of American culture, mores, laws. People who don't intend to assimilate, won't learn English and worse...marching openly in the streets, shouting defiance, that they'll work night and day to split the US and bring about Aztlan.
And here's the kicker. Many illegals, if bin Laden blows up LA or San Francisco, will run back to Mexico and points south. They owe no loyalty to the US, won't serve in the army, wouldn't defend this country if you begged them. Why in the world would we give them amnesty? They're robbing us blind. (If I robbed the Quickie-Mart, I'd be jailed.) It must be a matter of degree.
Damn serious stuff, is right, McGee. Code words: 'neighbors', 'trusted travelers'. Just yesterday there was an article on FR about Hispanic/illegal advocate groups demanding the MSM and US govt. use non-judgmental terms when discussing illegals. Demanding!
I recall those tests.
Waco happened because Hillary was sick of seeing it played out on TV. She ordered Reno to move the tanks in and 85 people died...horribly.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The CFR and what's happened in this hemisphere is a case in point.
Israel's fence has had a definite effect, to the degree that Spain is putting up a fence to keep out Muslims. We can't seal the US border completely, but we certainly can do better.
CFR's aims/ideas have certainly gained credence with GW. There's no other explanation for his climbing into bed with Fox, despite 9/11 and fears of terrorists coming over the border. As things stand, unfortunately, so many illegal Hispanics are here that even if San Francisco blows up, they'll control policy. Both parties are busy pandering to Hispanics and it'll get worse. And wasn't that the plan all along? Look the other way as the country is overrun with illegals, then say, "Oh, it's too late, too many to send back. Amnesty's the only answer." Meanwhile Mexico has integrated with the US. In fact, that's exactly what one of Fox's ministers announced to the press some months ago. (At least Mexico's been honest about what they're up to. Can't say the same for GW.)
You hit the nail on the head. 'Discussing ideas never hurt anyone.' So why in the world didn't GW discuss One Happy Hemisphere with US voters years ago? Why wasn't he honest? Why haven't we enforced US laws where illegals are concerned? Because elitists decided they knew better than the American voter, who might upset the apple cart. They would arrange the world to their liking. That's what's been going on. We haven't had a vote on this, not even one word of open discussion before now. (And all the bromides in the world won't change the facts.)
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