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Schools punishing wavers of U.S. flag (yet patriotic shirt confiscated could incite violence)
Daily Press ^ | April 2, 2006 | GRETCHEN LOSI

Posted on 04/02/2006 5:35:52 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

HESPERIA — While thousands of Hispanic students spent the week facing suspension for walking out of class, now Caucasian students around the country are being handed the same penalty for waving the American flag.

Flaunting the American flag is precisely what 13-year-old Cameron Miles did at Ranchero Middle School on Friday.

Wearing two shirts, one with the American flag, school officials said he removed the one displaying his patriotism and began waving it at a group of Hispanic students on campus.

“His friends began to hoist him on their shoulders so he could be more predominately displayed when the proctor asked him to give her the shirt,” district spokeswoman Debbie Baker said. “She explained that he can’t incite an already sensitive situation and he told her, ‘This is bullshit’ and ran.”

Baker and the boy’s mother, Denise Schroeder, said he received a one-day suspension not for wearing the shirt, but for defiance of direction given by a staff member and using profanity.

But that’s all they agree on.

Schroeder said she was never told by school officials her son had removed his patriotic shirt. She said he was told the shirt needed to be confiscated because him simply wearing it on campus could incite violence.

“My son just wanted to show his classmates that he had pride for his country. Why is this a symbol that incites violence but the Mexican flag is not? “Schroeder asked. “My brother is in the Navy. We’ve been wearing patriotic shirts for years. Ranchero’s colors are even red and white. Where are we going to draw the line with what they can and cannot wear?”

Baker added that if it was a Hispanic student waving the Mexican flag at students to cause a problem, school officials would have taken the same action.

“We still live in America and should be proud of the flag that represents our country. But using it as a symbol to incite violence cannot be tolerated,” Baker said.

To some, HR 4377 is becoming secondary to controversy over displays of the American and Mexican flags.

“I saw people I know from school waving the Mexican flag. If they’re so proud of that country they should go back there. But this is where they want to be., America. That’s the flag they need to be flaunting. How backwards is that?” asked 17 year-old Mike Brown of Victorville.

At a high school in Pico Rivera a student hung the American flag upside in protest. The California flag was stolen and replaced by a Mexican flag, which the protesters hung above the American flag according to reports by the Associated Press.

Another report states that on Monday a Jurupa Valley High School senior started organizing a pro-America rally. The event would include the waving of the American flag to help demonstrate support for HR 4377 bill.

The organizer, 17-year-old Josh Denhalter, was suspended March 30, for handing out some 300 fliers to promote the rally.

In Colorado, students from Skyline High School walked out of class Friday mor ning to protest the school administration's new policy banning the carrying or wearing of American and Mexican flags. According to reports from the Rocky Mountain News, most of the 100 students were protesting that American flags were included in the ban. The ban likely will be short-lived, Principal Tom Stumpf stated.

Also on Friday, 17-year old David Guzman of Victorville left his job at the Victor Valley Mall and discovered all his patriotic flags and ribbons once proudly displayed on his car were stolen and the car’s antennae was broken in half where a small U.S. flag hung just hours earlier.

“I don’t know who did it or why. But I’ve had them on my car since 9/11 and it wasn’t until now that anyone messed with them. I’m Mexican. All of this is embarrassing to me and my family,” Guzman said of the nationwide protests. “I don’t want people looking at me or my sister like we’re one of those idiots protesting for a getout-of-jail-free card.”

Guzman said many in his family have reached the boiling point and he would march in a pro-HR 4377 protest if one were organized in a legal manner.

“I think there’s a lot of us who just want to be able to have a voice, too,” Guzman said. “These protesters don’t speak for all Mexicans. I want people to understand that.”


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There are more examples in this article that are disturbing. Frankly, I know it is troubling to my fellow Freeper's but it should be to American's around the country.

I too, ask the question, why is this a symbol that incites violence but the Mexican flag is not?

1 posted on 04/02/2006 5:35:56 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick
We really need to keep a list of these people who ban the American flag.

They need to have two things happen to them ~ (1) Be sued, as school officials, for doing so (since it violates the civil rights of the students), and (2) Be sued, as individuals, for all sorts of personal damages.

It is time to inflict on them the ultimate American punishment ~ suit by a thousand lawyers!!!

2 posted on 04/02/2006 5:38:48 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Former Military Chick
I’m Mexican. All of this is embarrassing to me and my family,” Guzman said of the nationwide protests. “I don’t want people looking at me or my sister like we’re one of those idiots protesting for a getout-of-jail-free card.”

There are a lot of people in this category, some of them probably Freepers.

3 posted on 04/02/2006 5:42:21 PM PDT by speedy
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PING

I too, ask the question, why is this a symbol that incites violence but the Mexican flag is not?

Ms. Schroeder sounds like a very patriotic mom, and she she has a brother serving in the Navy. An excellent role model for her son to be sure.


4 posted on 04/02/2006 5:43:11 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Aren't the teachers and administrators responsible from the beginning for encouraging the Mexan students to march?


5 posted on 04/02/2006 5:45:55 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Former Military Chick

Anyone who is incited to violence by the sight of the American flag does not belong in America. It's that straightforward.


6 posted on 04/02/2006 5:46:01 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Former Military Chick

The liberal infested public school system in action.


7 posted on 04/02/2006 5:47:35 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Former Military Chick

It is starting to seem like any display of American patriotism or recognition of Judeo-Christian values is off limits; however, to express hatred for our Republic or cultural values is to be encouraged.


8 posted on 04/02/2006 5:49:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Former Military Chick
I too, ask the question, why is this a symbol that incites violence but the Mexican flag is not?

Hopefully it has not gotten to where it is the symbol that incites the violence, but the misuse of that symbol. I think schools across the nation need to teach the kids how to respect the flag, and if they want to get into it with others, keep the US flag out of it. I truly hope it can get back to people using the flag to demonstrate their love of our country, and for no other reason. As for the Mexican flag, I think that in the Colorado case, the principal banned both. Hopefully, after a short cooling off period, that too will be withdrawn.

9 posted on 04/02/2006 5:49:56 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Former Military Chick
She said he was told the shirt needed to be confiscated because him simply wearing it on campus could incite violence

I have been told that a solar flare could wipe out all life on earth too.

(Lying Communist bastards in schools alert)

10 posted on 04/02/2006 5:50:46 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Former Military Chick
"I too, ask the question, why is this a symbol that incites violence but the Mexican flag is not?"

The Mexican rag represents the colonists who are occupying America. The American flag represents those whose land has been colonized. The colonists cannot allow a conquered people to be so brazen. I know the word "conquered" may seem extreme to some. But we are well on the way.

11 posted on 04/02/2006 5:51:05 PM PDT by isrul
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To: MACVSOG68

Where's our damn politicians and elected government leaders?

They're under the bed shaking at the thought of having to take a stand.


12 posted on 04/02/2006 5:57:01 PM PDT by wrathof59
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To: Former Military Chick; All
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A FReeper posted last night that he grew up in Kentucky and they never said the Pledge of Allegiance in school. I checked his profile and he's in his mid-20s.

I grew up saying the Pledge every day in public school in California during the 1950s and 60s.

When did the saying of the pledge of allegiance stop?


13 posted on 04/02/2006 5:58:05 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Walk softly, carry a big stick... and don't forget to connect the dots ...)
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To: Dane

Another report states that on Monday a Jurupa Valley High School senior started organizing a pro-America rally. The event would include the waving of the American flag to help demonstrate support for HR 4377 bill.

The organizer, 17-year-old Josh Denhalter, was suspended March 30, for handing out some 300 fliers to promote the rally.


to suffer consequence to this measured response is illegal

these kids need a VOCAL legal advocate


14 posted on 04/02/2006 5:59:48 PM PDT by daku (Islam , a religion of peace ... Liar liar, France on fire)
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To: wrathof59
Where's our damn politicians and elected government leaders?

If this forum is any example of the sensitivity of this whole issue, I think they are staying in today, and hoping it all blows over.

15 posted on 04/02/2006 6:06:59 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Former Military Chick

If the American flag can incite violence INSIDE America then the 'incited' are not respectful or loyal to America.

Fly that Old Glory kids!!


16 posted on 04/02/2006 6:11:02 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and all those who preserve and protect this Great Nation.)
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17 posted on 04/02/2006 6:12:05 PM PDT by devolve ( upload to free imagehosts Photobucket & Imagecave)
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To: Former Military Chick
Address for the district board:

cathy.gomez@hesperia.org

18 posted on 04/02/2006 6:16:50 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Former Military Chick

High Desert Howdy.
This kid got his picture on the front page of the paper. Can you imagine living with him for the next few days. :)


19 posted on 04/02/2006 6:27:22 PM PDT by Excellence
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To: Former Military Chick

20 posted on 04/02/2006 6:28:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: devolve

Turned out very interesting devolve. It certainly makes you stop and watch to see what comes next!


21 posted on 04/02/2006 6:30:13 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: La Enchiladita

I started grade school in the mid seventies. We always said the Pledge.


22 posted on 04/02/2006 6:44:16 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Former Military Chick
why is this(The Stars and Stripes) a symbol that incites violence but the Mexican flag is not?

I know you are smarter then this but I'll explain it for the rest of the class...

Mexico never kicked anyone's ass in a war, The Star and Stripes has been carried into battle by ass kicking Americans since the days of the revolutionary war.

Why just the sight of American soldiers under arms and wearing the Star and Stripes on sleeves of their uniforms is enough to make the average illegal wet themselves.

Therefore to prevent ultra-violent Mexican gangs from having spaz attacks and sporadic fits of rage, Americans have to hide the symbol of our benign dominance over lesser nations and those peoples that don't want anything from us but a free ride.

23 posted on 04/02/2006 6:54:21 PM PDT by usmcobra (I always sing Karaoke the way it is meant to be sung, drunk, badly, and in Japanese)
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To: Travis McGee

24 posted on 04/02/2006 7:04:10 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Travis McGee
Long May She Wave

25 posted on 04/02/2006 7:07:14 PM PDT by MEG33 ( GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Former Military Chick
Guzman said of the nationwide protests. “I don’t want people looking at me or my sister like we’re one of those idiots protesting for a getout-of-jail-free card.”

A REAL immigrant. Not one of those pretend, suck on the Americans teat and send all my money to my home country.

26 posted on 04/02/2006 7:24:29 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Protect American jobs. Don't hire illegals.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Enough is enough!!

This is America!

If the illegals love Mexico and their flag so much, then let them get their butts back to Mexico, take their Christmas colors with them and don't let the door hit them in the butt on the way out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This pc garbage is getting beyond ridiculous!


27 posted on 04/02/2006 7:27:33 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: La Enchiladita

My fifth grade daughter still says the Pledge in school.


28 posted on 04/02/2006 7:41:09 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: Travis McGee

Beivenidos a Los Estados del Norte Departmento del Mexico canal!


29 posted on 04/02/2006 7:44:26 PM PDT by wardaddy (If the GOP is so great, why do I feel so crappy, betrayed and surrounded by eunuchs?)
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To: Former Military Chick

There are some mighty sick folks out there.


30 posted on 04/02/2006 8:16:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: tutstar

The fact is that the illegals see this as an extension of Mexico and we saw tens of thousands of them in LA waving the Mexican flag. Reconquista? Last week Drudge had a Hispanic on his 50 state radio broadcast that talked about taking back the U.S. "a few houses and a few blocks at a time." By the way, I recently posted a famous quote that is relevant to this. For any who missed it I'd be glad to cite it again.


31 posted on 04/02/2006 8:29:53 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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Flag Ban Roll-up Ping!

32 posted on 04/02/2006 8:35:10 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: Former Military Chick

Upon reading the article it appears they address your concern.

It says something about how if it was someone else waiving the Mexican flag at other students they would have the same issue with it.

It sounds like the kid is a little punk who's not aruging against illegal immigration but just flaunting the American flag at anyone who is hispanic.


33 posted on 04/02/2006 9:12:46 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: isrul

Please please read the article before you post.

From the article...

"Baker added that if it was a Hispanic student waving the Mexican flag at students to cause a problem, school officials would have taken the same action."


34 posted on 04/02/2006 9:17:15 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy
"It sounds like the kid is a little punk who's not aruging against illegal immigration but just flaunting the American flag at anyone who is hispanic. "

And, what, pray tell, is wrong with "flaunting" the American Flag??? Especially, when illegals are waving and flaunting the Mexican flag all over the place?

35 posted on 04/02/2006 9:29:07 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (.)
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To: HiJinx

I don't get when/why it is PC to have OUR flag in our own country!


36 posted on 04/02/2006 9:46:01 PM PDT by JustPiper (Illegals are NOT being denied Civil Rights...That is for U.S. Civil-ians Fool !)
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To: T.L.Sink

Yes, please post it or send it directly to me by private message. Thanks!


37 posted on 04/02/2006 9:58:04 PM PDT by Shimmer128
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To: kenth

My kids say the Pledge every day here in Texas.


38 posted on 04/02/2006 10:22:26 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
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To: Former Military Chick

The First Amendment protects the right of citizens to express themselves in a variety of ways. Public school students, as young citizens, may engage in many modes of expression — from the words they speak to the ideas they write and even the clothes they wear.

Students can engage in political speech, which is considered the type of speech at the core of the First Amendment. The Founding Fathers considered such speech essential to the development of a constitutional democracy. The U.S. Supreme Court spelled out those rights in a case concerning public school students who spoke out on a major political issue of their time — the Vietnam War.

cont'd..........

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/Speech/studentexpression/topic.aspx?topic=speakingout





39 posted on 04/02/2006 10:51:20 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (A must see: http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/flash2.html)
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To: Shimmer128; All

"In the first place we should insist that the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equity with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming an American and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919. I truly believe that this very prophetic and appropriate statement by TR is the FINAL answer to the illegal controversy with all the foreign flag waving and the other socio-economic disasters that are swamping us in America.


40 posted on 04/02/2006 11:46:58 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: Almondjoy
"Baker added that if it was a Hispanic student waving the Mexican flag at students to cause a problem, school officials would have taken the same action."

Talk is cheap.

Hypothetical talk is cheaper yet. In fact people should be paid to have to listen to it.

41 posted on 04/03/2006 12:02:41 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: kenth; Doohickey

Thank you. That helped me to know that the pledge is still being taught.

Maybe it's the teachers who need to learn it and recite it even more than the students!


42 posted on 04/03/2006 12:09:48 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Walk softly, carry a big stick... and don't forget to connect the dots ...)
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To: Former Military Chick

They got a lousy website and no email but here's the phone number: 760-244-4411


43 posted on 04/03/2006 2:50:26 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Almondjoy

Almond Joy, a little bit nuttier.

The Mexicans were waving Mexican flags. That was no problem for the school administration.

And stop giving orders to your fellow Freepers. It's a terrible display of arrogance.


44 posted on 04/03/2006 3:18:30 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Former Military Chick
The American flag is always displayed for the purpose of inciting something. It is SUPPOSED TO incite a patriotic emotion as well as a gratefulness for what has been handed doen to us as a Nation.

If AT ANY TIME there are people living within our borders who can be incited to violence by anyone displaying an American flag, on a shirt or on a pole, it is those who can be incited to violence who have the problem and their presence here should be highly suspect.

Waving our flag is, perhaps, a great test. If people of ANY other national background, living among us, become violent because of a waving American flag, we have a good indicator of potential enemies to our "home land security."

If a middle school student of ANY other national background can be incited to violence over the waving of an American flag, while taking advantage of our tax-supported schools, then it is an indicator of what his parents are or are not instructing him or her at home. Somebody at home is INCITING that student AGAINST our nation or at least to withhold due allegiance.
45 posted on 04/03/2006 3:23:49 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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To: Former Military Chick

There was a thread that had a pic of an Ameican girl of Mexican heritage wearing a US flag. She looked like she was about to get lynched.


46 posted on 04/03/2006 3:25:33 AM PDT by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: Travis McGee

I blame the government for allowing them in this country in the first place. Revolution is the solution???


47 posted on 04/03/2006 3:27:27 AM PDT by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: Free Baptist

That was really all that needs to be said.

Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemy of this nation.


48 posted on 04/03/2006 4:21:08 AM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemy of this nation.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Any way we could lend support to these kids? If a lawsuit is filed, we should pass the hat around here.


49 posted on 04/03/2006 5:57:44 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: La Enchiladita

I talked with my daughter who lives in the liberal state of Washington. I asked her about my granddaughter reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in schools. She said they stopped saying it this year.


50 posted on 04/03/2006 6:13:55 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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