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Housing Bubble Trouble: Have We Been Living Beyond Our Means?
The Weekly Standard ^ | 4/10/2006 | Andrew Laperriere

Posted on 04/03/2006 7:38:13 AM PDT by ex-Texan

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To: ex-Texan
Hot Air is leaking rapidly in La La Land. Median prices have fallen about $ 20k + in the past year. Inventory is near all time highs. Wait until interest rates reset on all those ARM loans from 2.5% (or less) to 7.3% APR. Average house payments will go up from about $ 1,250 to $ 3,650 based on loan amounts of $ 600k.


61 posted on 04/03/2006 11:01:36 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: finnman69
illegal immigrants earn enough to afford $300,000 homes?

Yes they do, because to make the mortgage they rent every room to another family or a group of guys. "It takes a village" to pay a $2,000 mortgage payment, so many immigrant-purchased houses shelter ... a village.
62 posted on 04/03/2006 11:04:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Correct, in the banking biz those are known as 'low doc loans'. Code for a family sponsored deal.


63 posted on 04/03/2006 11:08:37 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: silverleaf
From the main editorial in the Weekly Standard:
"Fully 22 percent of the borrowers who borrowed at initial rates of 2.5 percent or less during the past two years have negative equity in their homes, and 40 percent have less than 10 percent equity. The study also finds that a third of people who took out adjustable rate mortgages last year have negative equity and 52 percent have less than 10 percent equity. How is this possible? One reason is that 43 percent of first-time home buyers paid no down payment last year."

Add another $ 20,000 or $ 30,000 to the negative equity equation based on falling prices. As time passes the black hole just keeps getting deeper.
64 posted on 04/03/2006 11:15:47 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ex-Texan
According to the Federal Reserve (page 110 of 124) , owners equity as a percentage of household real estate is 56.3%. When the bubble pops, how low will it go? How long will it take?
65 posted on 04/03/2006 11:23:05 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: ex-Texan

Here you go -- have at it.

http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/16531/index.html


66 posted on 04/03/2006 11:27:40 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: guitfiddlist
I need you to prop up the insane belief that things can continue in the fashion that they have...in particular, unabated housing appreciation

Housing is cyclical and regional. No one is saying it will (or can) continue at its current rate of appreciation. There will be corrections and they will be regional in nature. This country hasn't seen a year over year decline in the aggregate value of real estate since before WWII.

...while I build my positions in precious metals.

I suppose one reason precious metals are increasing in value is the belief that inflation is higher than being reported or that a big increase is expected. Although inflation may be bad for stocks and bonds, it is terrific for tangible assets like real estate.

Please continue to believe, and pour your money into real estate, stocks and bonds.

Yes, we will. Because, as you can see from this chart, over the long term, gold has barely kept up with inflation while stocks, bonds (and real estate) have easily outperformed the yellow metal. The gold bugs have had a good two year run, but stocks and bonds will continue to be the better investment.

and encourage everybody to invest in this rapidly growing, fantastic, superbly managed economy of ours.

Someday, our amazing economic growth will slow and the doomsayers will tell us that they told us so while ignoring the fact that our homes and stock portfolios more than doubled in value during that run.

67 posted on 04/03/2006 11:28:06 AM PDT by Mase
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Here you go, have at it on this site: [Argue with the experts] . . .
68 posted on 04/03/2006 11:31:35 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: investigateworld

The beauty with the bubble, is that people in Blue cities will most likely get hit the hardest.

Boston, Chicago, San Fran,Seattle and Portland. Oh well.

I suppose after losing 30% of their home value, they'll be tighter when it comes to funding liberal candidates.


69 posted on 04/03/2006 11:32:18 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: ex-Texan

Credit Bubble is the one to worry about.


70 posted on 04/03/2006 11:33:15 AM PDT by Jimbaugh (Fear the Base !!!)
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To: Mase

If helicopter Ben is true to his documented philosophy - you will be right in the near term, real estate and equities will continue to appreciate - as will precious metals. However, once people figure out where all that liquidity is coming from, PM's will skyrocket and the other two will tank.

But, as was said, talk is cheap - we're all putting our money where our mouths are. May the wisest investor win...


71 posted on 04/03/2006 11:36:04 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: Pessimist

Just one example - look at Pulte Corp (PHM). Stock is at $38 and they will probably make something like $6 + per share this year. Media reports about housing (and just about everything else) are very misleading.


72 posted on 04/03/2006 11:38:11 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: All

A house is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.


73 posted on 04/03/2006 11:44:45 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: proudpapa

>>>I suppose after losing 30% of their home value, they'll be tighter when it comes to funding liberal candidates.<<<



;^)


74 posted on 04/03/2006 11:50:10 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: ex-Texan
I thought you were the expert?
75 posted on 04/03/2006 11:50:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: 1Old Pro

A house is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.




That's the problem. The price that someone is willing to pay and is able to pay is subject to fluctuations.


76 posted on 04/03/2006 11:52:07 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: guitfiddlist
If helicopter Ben is true to his documented philosophy

What is his documented philosophy?

77 posted on 04/03/2006 11:58:04 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: guitfiddlist
If helicopter Ben is true to his documented philosophy

How would you fight deflation? That's what his comment was referencing.

However, once people figure out where all that liquidity is coming from, PM's will skyrocket and the other two will tank.

Well, I'm not one to believe that inflation is as bad as the doomers say it is. I often wonder why the doomers here at FR seem to know that inflation is much higher than what's being reported, while all those smart people who make their living buying and selling bonds, and have access to much more information than you and me, are completely unaware. Again, if inflation skyrockets home values will follow. Inflation will cause home prices to increase.

May the wisest investor win...

Time, and this chart, have already proven who that will be.

78 posted on 04/03/2006 11:59:17 AM PDT by Mase
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To: ex-Texan
You still are missing the point that these statistics are meaningless unless put in perspective. Your extract makes the point that many risky loans (43% of the loan market) are obtained by first time home buyers.

OK, So what proportion of the housing market is first time home buyers? Statistics suggest about 40% of buyers are first time buyers. So a little less than half of them (about 19% of the total home buying market)....have obtained "risky" loans. (Risky if the home buyer needs to sell or cannot afford the higher payment)

The great majority of home buyers (and first time home buyers) are not speculators and do not buy intending to sell, but to inhabit. The American economy does not suggest that many folks have become jobless or faced income declines over the past two years and should be able to refinance to fixed rates of 6% or less (or new ARM's) if faced with ARM increases.

While there will be some folks "stung" by the slowdown of appreciation, or decline in average value (mostly a decline equal to last year's double digit increase alone) ... the numbers facing human misery do not appear as alarming as bubble predictors seem to be gleefully predicting.
79 posted on 04/03/2006 12:02:41 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

I just obtained what is likely considered a "risky mortgage" by many on this thread. The first 10 years are interest only, then it becomes a fully amortizing 20 year loan. The rate is locked for the entire 30 years. Now, for someone like me this is a great product. It gives me the flexibility to pay down the mortgage if I'd like, but if I have a tough month or two, I can just pay the minimum interest payment.

Interest only is not always a bad thing. I wish I would have done an interest only 5 year ARM on my last home. I would have saved a TON of money and lost out on a minimal amount of equity.


80 posted on 04/03/2006 12:14:48 PM PDT by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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