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The American Conservative ^ | Doug Bandow

Posted on 04/03/2006 11:04:05 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

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To: Cyber Liberty

"Posturing for '08, not caring if the 'Craps take over '06."

I suppose so, but, it appears to me to be a definite attempt to split the right, and from a lot of directions. The rhetoric is growing more and more frantic, it seems to me, and it's accomplishing nothing.

Frankly, I don't like Bush's position on spending, nor his seeming inability to deny Congress anything they want, but if the ultra-right gets what appears to be its way, the GOP will not only lose control over the Congress, but may well take a dump in 2008, as well.

This is not a good trend.


21 posted on 04/03/2006 11:23:12 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Yes. Remember all those conservative bills that he vetoed? Give me a break. Our so-called majority in both houses of congress is a joke. I'm so fed up with the GOP I could puke. The last 2 times the RNC called me asking me for money I told them that I'd start giving money again when they grew a pair. The only reason I have for voting this November is to keep the President from being impeached. Period.


22 posted on 04/03/2006 11:23:25 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: MineralMan

That is simplistic and not entirely accurate. This is commentary on "the traditional conservative agenda lies in ruins," which the author feels can be directly placed at the feet of President Bush.


23 posted on 04/03/2006 11:24:54 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (One of the greatet conservative accomplishments would be the undoing of FDR’s big government.)
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To: slowhand520

Its a competition...have you seen the fancy ribbon you get?


24 posted on 04/03/2006 11:25:11 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: MineralMan
There sure seem to be plenty of anti-Bush screeds being posted lately. What's that about?

A failed Presidency maybe?

25 posted on 04/03/2006 11:25:24 AM PDT by dagnabbit (George Bush deported my children to Amerexico.)
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To: MineralMan
What's that about?

Its about a conservative base thats pissed off at the RINO president...pretty simple to figure out...

26 posted on 04/03/2006 11:25:24 AM PDT by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH - PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Yep and I wonder what the tax give aways on that useless POS of an energy bill
27 posted on 04/03/2006 11:25:37 AM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: weegee

We need to be sure that a TRUE conservative candidate comes out of the next primary. If we don't then we will have more screw up in the WH and no one to blame for it but ourselves. But first, we must get over this idea that a true conservative can not possibly win a national election. We must stop electing candidates that trangulate us out of the equation to appeal to liberals. Look at how Bush has treated the people who got him in. He has wooed the left and they still hate him.


28 posted on 04/03/2006 11:27:27 AM PDT by jackadams
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To: MineralMan

they are posted for good reason... i know why i stopped supporting the president and i've given some examples here for why... i'm not anti-bush by any stretch, i just don't support his policies any longer because in the end, they will cost me more money than his tax cuts alone and they leave conservatism as we know them to be in the dust... i personally believe the notion of a smaller government is a pipe dream and i think how president bush has administered the largess of this government doesn't help his cause because it certainly isn't conservative as i know it...


29 posted on 04/03/2006 11:27:34 AM PDT by Methadras
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To: MineralMan
There sure seem to be plenty of anti-Bush screeds being posted lately. What's that about?

No true conservative could approve of someone who actually wins elections.

30 posted on 04/03/2006 11:27:35 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: Cyber Liberty

...as opposed to the "conservatives" in Washington D.C. running the Federal Government like a drunken sailor.


31 posted on 04/03/2006 11:27:43 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (One of the greatet conservative accomplishments would be the undoing of FDR’s big government.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

"This is commentary on "the traditional conservative agenda lies in ruins," which the author feels can be directly placed at the feet of President Bush.
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I disagree. The article is Bush-bashing, pure and simple. As I said in a later message, I'm not a big fan of many of Bush's policies. However, nothing good will come of this sort of crap. Unless you are a liberal, of course, in which case, splitting the right is a very good idea.

Is that the desired result? If it's not, then the anti-Bush rhetoric from the right needs to be toned down considerably and converted to supportive, but constructive criticism.

What I'm seeing is tons of sheer pique on the part of the most conservative portions of the GOP. That bodes ill for 2006 AND 2008.


32 posted on 04/03/2006 11:29:03 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: weegee
Need an even bigger majority? It'll never happen when the base decides to stay home for lack of satisfaction.

Oh, I'll go to the polls and vote...at least for those Republicans who seem somewhat committed to limited government (never for any Democrat, ever.)

But that's where my participation in the process ends. What I won't do is:

1) Give one dime to Ken Mehlman or any other "Vicente's Witness" who shows up at my front door (or in my mailbox) demanding a contribution.

2) Spend one second trying to convince undecided friends and relatives to vote Republican. How can I, when I myself don't believe the arguments I would have to make to them?

3) Attend any political rally for any reason. As Marge Simpson put it: "I guess one person CAN make a difference. But most of the time, they probably shouldn't."

And I suspect I won't be alone. The former base will vote, but they won't work as activists for a party who represents social conservatives fairly well but has kicked advocates of liberty and small government to the curb.

33 posted on 04/03/2006 11:29:59 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Har. That's a pretty witty one. It's like supporting Alan Keyes or Pat Buchanan for President. It's a tough job.


34 posted on 04/03/2006 11:30:07 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I care if the Democrats take over in 06, but I don't understand why you believe that we should exercise our civic duty from a negative while people like Bush, Frist, and McCain would legalize the third world invasion of our Southern Border.
35 posted on 04/03/2006 11:30:19 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (One of the greatet conservative accomplishments would be the undoing of FDR’s big government.)
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To: Methadras

"i know why i stopped supporting the president and i've given some examples here for why... i'm not anti-bush by any stretch, i just don't support his policies any longer "

You are contradicting yourself, there Methadras. You've stopped supporting the President, yet you're not anti-Bush. Those are mutually exclusive positions.

The GOP appears to be developing schizophrenia, it seems to me. Again, nothing good can come of it.


36 posted on 04/03/2006 11:31:56 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

Bush is going to get impeached. The Dems are going to win the house and then let the hearings begin.

I worked to get Bush elected and now I wish that I had gone to the beach.

The base has left the building.


37 posted on 04/03/2006 11:32:10 AM PDT by Jimbaugh (Fear the Base !!!)
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To: slowhand520
[ Why does everyone believe that they are more conservative than the next guy? ]

Being a "conservative" is being a leftist.. BIG government republicans are "conservatives".. You know, conservative, meaning being for the status quo.. The Status Quo is quite leftist.. Some conservatives are de-facto radicals.. meaning being for radical change in Washington D.C. politics.. Radical change to the right..

Staying the same (Status Quo) or conservative is democrat lite.. or even democrat stealth..

38 posted on 04/03/2006 11:32:36 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

No. Conservatives need to vote for Conservative candidates in the primaries (and they have to get on the primary ballot).

And I expect some Democrats to again cross the aisle to vote for McCain in 2008. Not in the general election, just in the primary to shift the GOP left.

There is plenty of opportunity to turn out the vote during the primaries. There is little effort made by the base. Election day is not just one day out of the year. There are primaries, run offs, and bond initiatives (among other things).


39 posted on 04/03/2006 11:32:41 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

In reviewing Bartlett's book, Bandow writes his own book disguised as a book review which it AIN'T.

In doing so ,Bandow likely sets back the cause of conservativism to the Dark Ages portraying pigheaded stupidity as some sort of virtue to which all "right thinking Amuuricans" are just dying to return to.

As Martha Stewart would say: this is a "GOOD thing".
Bandow portrays conservatives the same way many Catholics describe heaven...filled with pious sorts you wouldn't give the time of day to here on earth.

For the enemies of Bartlett, REJOICE! Bandow has disposed of your enemy for you. Will someone show Mr. Bandow to the door?


40 posted on 04/03/2006 11:33:38 AM PDT by CBart95
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