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'Color of the Cross' film promises race debate
Spero News ^ | Monday, April 03, 2006 | Spero News

Posted on 04/03/2006 2:21:39 PM PDT by The Ghost of JG

Get prepared. This film of the Passion isn't your typical Hollywood production, and it's producers say playing the race card is needed.

It's not Mel Gibson's The Passion, but folks involved in this big-screen's production are no less passionate in bringing this adaption of Christ's last 48 hours to your local cinema house in a film that openly plays the race card - with the Messiah cast as a black man.

This racial perspective to the conventional biblical story, the producers say, "is sure to challenge Conservative Christian beliefs."

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KEYWORDS: 1960s; black; christianity; discrimination; easter; fil; messiah; passion; race; religion; thepassion

1 posted on 04/03/2006 2:21:43 PM PDT by The Ghost of JG
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To: The Ghost of JG
This racial perspective to the conventional biblical story, the producers say, "is sure to challenge Conservative Christian beliefs."

Not in the least. We conservative Christians know that Jesus was no blond-haired, blue-eyed Nordic type.

He lived and gave His life for everyone, regardless of race. He has been alive for eternity. What the color of his skin was for 33 years 2000 years ago is of no consequence.

2 posted on 04/03/2006 2:24:39 PM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: The Ghost of JG

Liberals are always late. They're always making it their business to challenge other people when THEY are the ones with the big time issues.


3 posted on 04/03/2006 2:25:29 PM PDT by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: The Ghost of JG
This racial perspective to the conventional biblical story, the producers say, "is sure to challenge Conservative Christian beliefs."

Why?

I have read the Bible and can not recalled the color of Christ's skin was ever mentioned. When one sees Jews / Israels their skin color rages from white to black and all in between, so whats the "deal"?
4 posted on 04/03/2006 2:27:10 PM PDT by svcw
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To: The Ghost of JG
This racial perspective to the conventional biblical story, the producers say, "is sure to challenge Conservative Christian beliefs."

Jesus died for all of humanity. Skin color - of those saved or the One who died to save us - doesn't matter a bit. Only a race-obsessed leftist would think so.

5 posted on 04/03/2006 2:27:26 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Melting solder since 1975)
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To: Skooz
What the color of his skin was for 33 years 2000 years ago is of no consequence.

These are leftists we're talking about. Skin color is the only issue to them. Next to gender (lest they receive disapproving glares from uppity feminists).

6 posted on 04/03/2006 2:28:40 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Skooz

I guess these folks never heard of the Black Madonna.


7 posted on 04/03/2006 2:29:39 PM PDT by mware (army of amateurs" free to cherry-pick)
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To: Denver Ditdat

i thot that was strange too in the item. i take this to mean that the producers hope that there is scandal and gnashing of teeth to ... try to sell tickets.

which brings up another question: if u are wanting scandal, isn't that a sin?


8 posted on 04/03/2006 2:29:47 PM PDT by The Ghost of JG
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To: Denver Ditdat
What they really mean is traditional values. Somehow a movie that heaps contempt on them won't find much of a box office - whether its a black Jesus or not. What is it with liberals assaulting people's faith? It looks like Hollywood is loath to give up its Christophobia.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

9 posted on 04/03/2006 2:31:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

i think they are pushing it by calling it Hollywood, this is an independent film...that happens to be in LA


10 posted on 04/03/2006 2:32:51 PM PDT by The Ghost of JG
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To: Skooz
Our Lady of Czestochowa

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11 posted on 04/03/2006 2:34:31 PM PDT by mware (army of amateurs" free to cherry-pick)
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To: The Ghost of JG
Jesus came as everyone's savior. If it works for a person to picture him as white, black, Asian, or whatever, that's fine with me, though I think it sort of misses the point. I'm fine with black Santas, too.
12 posted on 04/03/2006 2:34:42 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: goldstategop
Not this crap again! Jesus was as described in the Bible as nothing extraordinary to look at meaning he was like everyone else who lived in northern Galilee area, most likely olive skinned with a big nose and curly dark hair.

Surely the left has better things to waste their money on. Why don't they make Brokebutt Mountain Two or something.
13 posted on 04/03/2006 2:35:05 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: goldstategop
What they really mean is traditional values. Somehow a movie that heaps contempt on them won't find much of a box office - whether its a black Jesus or not. What is it with liberals assaulting people's faith? It looks like Hollywood is loath to give up its Christophobia.

Good point. Make's you wonder who's backing this. Apparently folks to whom money means nothing, since they have to know a film like this will be a box-offce dud.

14 posted on 04/03/2006 2:37:43 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: goldstategop
What is it with liberals assaulting people's faith?

As many have often observed here, if the left really wants to demonstrate what an "edgy" and "daring" bunch of risk takers unafraid to challenge an entrenched belief system they are, there's a topic waiting for them:

Islam.

It's much safer and easier to rail against the latest imaginary incarnation of McCarthyism, so I suppose we can expect them to take on this weighty topic at about the same time Satan starts tending goal for the Red Wings.

15 posted on 04/03/2006 2:37:53 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Melting solder since 1975)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Jesus came as everyone's savior. If it works for a person to picture him as white, black, Asian, or whatever, that's fine with me, though I think it sort of misses the point. I'm fine with black Santas, too.

Well don't stop there. Make him a black woman!

16 posted on 04/03/2006 2:38:02 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: The Ghost of JG

Jesus looked like a typical Hebrew at the time. He was so nondescript that even the Romans couldn't pick him out of a croud which was why Judas had to kiss him in the Garden so they got the right guy.


17 posted on 04/03/2006 2:38:43 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: The Ghost of JG

The reason for the movie seems to be to say that racism was an issue in the crucifixion.

That is novel, there is no indication in the Bible that this was so.

It seems to be a rather crude attempt at exploitation of religion for the sake of making a political point.


18 posted on 04/03/2006 2:39:07 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Or maybe in a strange way, it's trying to bring up old myths ... that catholics hates jews, that all jews are to blame for Christ's death (which the Catholic Church doesn't say), and to some how try to twist that message to say the issue really is about race...

i dont know why, but i get the image of a replay of the old "planet of the apes" movies too. strange side thot


19 posted on 04/03/2006 2:45:07 PM PDT by The Ghost of JG
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To: The Ghost of JG

Why the automatic equation of "conservative Christian" with racist? Sheesh...


20 posted on 04/03/2006 2:55:01 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Bommer
We don't have bathrooms segregated by race. We do have bathrooms segregated by sex. Perhaps that's because sex is more significant than race?
21 posted on 04/03/2006 2:57:44 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

Why? The Virgin Mary was chosen by God for being pure and the Catholic church worships her for it.


22 posted on 04/03/2006 3:01:42 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Skooz
He lived and gave His life for everyone, regardless of race. He has been alive for eternity. What the color of his skin was for 33 years 2000 years ago is of no consequence.

Amen. All created in His image, all descendents of the same man and woman - all equal, of one blood, one Saviour.

23 posted on 04/03/2006 3:05:07 PM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te fortuna sinet.)
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To: Bommer
Why? The Virgin Mary was chosen by God for being pure and the Catholic church worships her for it.

Sorry, The Catholic Church worships GOD and his Son Jesus. It "honors and revers" Jesus Mother.

24 posted on 04/03/2006 3:09:13 PM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Bommer
Well, I wouldn't approve of the Virgin Marty, either, but wouldn't mind seeing Mary depicted as a black woman. Are you going somewhere with this? The Bible spends so little time on how the various people look because it just doesn't matter. Jesus wasn't just the Savior of white people.
25 posted on 04/03/2006 3:13:50 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: The Ghost of JG

Since I have yet to meet a liberal who can challenge anyone intellectually, I'm going to take a wild guess that this will star Denzel Washington, and the last 20 minutes of the film will have him reciting his "I'm the little man fighting back" speech, then the people will release him from the cross unharmed and the bad Romans will be thrown in the cellar. Jews will be played by muppets.


26 posted on 04/03/2006 3:32:40 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: mware

The Black Madonna of Czestochowa is so named for the color of her robes.


27 posted on 04/03/2006 3:33:45 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: yankeedame
since they have to know a film like this will be a box-offce dud.

Whose failure they can then blame on "racist white Christians". The very fact that they're bringing up the issue essentially proves that they're more interested in creating strife than they are in telling the story.

The actor chosen for Passion of the Christ didn't look much like Jesus either, but it didn't matter because the point of the film was the story and not the actor. A sufficiently talented black actor could have just as easily played the part and it would have been just as great. But if Mel Gibson's priority had been choosing such an actor over his passion in telling the story, the film could not have been even remotely as good.

And thus, without any consideration of racism at all it can be assured that this film too will not be even remotely as good.

28 posted on 04/03/2006 4:03:17 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Question_Assumptions
Yeah its called incremental "I don't care!" Change his color, then hey maybe it wasn't a virgin birth. I don't care! Hey maybe he got married. I don't care! Oh and he wasn't really a Jew. Hey, I don't care! And he hung out with 12 men so he was gay! Well we need to love them as God's children so I don't care! Oh and he wasn't the real son of God! "Hey he taught important things I don't care." You nonchalant attitude towards the true Christ is what eventually demeans him. He can't be all races to all people just because they feel through their skin tone or race they are nothing without their version of him. They are not listening to the word, thats why they change him so they can accept him in their world, not caring about being accepted in his through his word!
29 posted on 04/03/2006 4:07:52 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: phil1750
It "honors and revers" Jesus Mother.

Do they not pray a rosery to her as well? Is there an Our Father version of these beads to Jesus or God? No. Instead of asking Jesus to forgive their sins (going through a Priest in a confessional) they pray "holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners"... Yet sin is forgiven through Christ and only Christ.

30 posted on 04/03/2006 4:19:30 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Bommer

The concept of intercession.

The Catholic (and Orthodox) tradition is such that one can assume that certain people reside in heaven, and can be addressed directly in prayer - saints, and Mary for instance; and that it is helpful to invoke their aid.

There is a big difference of opinion on this subject with every Protestant church, including the Anglicans/Episcopalians.


31 posted on 04/03/2006 4:28:11 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Bommer
Yeah its called incremental "I don't care!"

Your argument is called a "Slippery Slope".

Change his color, then hey maybe it wasn't a virgin birth. I don't care! Hey maybe he got married. I don't care! Oh and he wasn't really a Jew. Hey, I don't care! And he hung out with 12 men so he was gay! Well we need to love them as God's children so I don't care! Oh and he wasn't the real son of God! "Hey he taught important things I don't care."

What makes the first item on your list from all of the rest of them is that the color of his skin has no bearing on who He was, what He did, or what the Bible says about Him. All of your other "examples", including making him female, do. That's a very easy line to draw.

You nonchalant attitude towards the true Christ is what eventually demeans him.

Any more than your rigid attitude toward Him? Do you know for certain what Jesus looked like?

He can't be all races to all people just because they feel through their skin tone or race they are nothing without their version of him. They are not listening to the word, thats why they change him so they can accept him in their world, not caring about being accepted in his through his word!

As I said way back at the beginning, I think needing a black Jesus kinda misses the point. But God doesn't have a race and the race of His Son was an incidental accident of the ethnicity into which he was born, not an integral element of who He was. If depicting Jesus as a black man helps a black person better feel that Jesus is his Savior, too, then I don't have a problem with that. I would have a problem with a black person depicting Jesus as black for the purpose of claiming He was the Savior of black people and not white people, but that's a whole other issue (and, yes, there are nuts who believe that sort of thing out there).

Are you just as offended by all of the European art, throughout history, that depicted Jesus as a European? Most of the popular Jesus pictures with blonde hair that I see are probably about as racially accurate as a black Jesus. Of course we could solve the whole problem by not making graven images, but that's a whole other argument...

32 posted on 04/04/2006 5:30:12 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
If depicting Jesus as a black man helps a black person better feel that Jesus is his Savior, too, then I don't have a problem with that.

Then depicting Jesus as a woman to help a female better feel that Jesus is his Savior, too, thats OK too? I don't understand that reasoning. His words alone are reason enough to understand him. If his race or gender or even his religion has to be changed to get someone to believe, then that person isn't listening to the wordand incapable of understanding due to blindness through his own bigotry. This is PC gone amuck!

33 posted on 04/05/2006 8:34:57 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: Bommer
Then depicting Jesus as a woman to help a female better feel that Jesus is his Savior, too, thats OK too?

As I've repeatedly said, race is not the same as sex. That's why we still have male and female restrooms but no longer have black and white restrooms. The Bible makes Jesus' sex very clear. The Bible is quite vague on how He looks. And I again ask, are you as offended by the paintings by Europeans that depict Him as a blonde nordic type? How about the various European actors who have depicted Him in movies?

I don't understand that reasoning. His words alone are reason enough to understand him. If his race or gender or even his religion has to be changed to get someone to believe, then that person isn't listening to the wordand incapable of understanding due to blindness through his own bigotry. This is PC gone amuck!

And as I've also repeated, I do agree that it misses the point. But if white artists and film makers can depict Jesus as a blonde haired Northern European, then I don't see the problem with depicting Him with African features. If His message really transcends His race and His race really doesn't matter, then it shouldn't matter either way. If an artist is depicting Jesus as black for racists reasons (to imply that Jesus was the Savior of blacks, not whites), I think that's wrong. If an artist depicts Jesus as black to emphasize that Jesus is the Savior of black people, too, to get past issues that some in the black community have in that regard (Aren't you the least bit concerned by the expansion of the Nation of Islam among black men?), I'm fine with that.

To give you an imperfect analogy, if you look at statues of Buddha in East Asia, he looks Chinese or Japanese, even though Buddha was most likely Indian. It just doesn't matter. Frankly, I'm more irked by Medieval artists that painted Biblical and historical scenes with the people dressed in Medieval clothing.

34 posted on 04/05/2006 11:43:34 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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