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Historian looks at fruitless quest for intelligent extraterrestrial life (Barf Alert!)
SFGate.com ^ | 04/02/06 | George Basalla

Posted on 04/03/2006 5:10:47 PM PDT by KevinDavis

The year 2010 will mark the 50th anniversary of humanity's strangest scientific quest: the use of giant radiotelescope dishes to listen for radio messages from alien beings in space. So far, the search has been a complete bust. The radioastronomers keep listening, but the stars aren't talking to us -- not yet, anyway.

Oddly, the failure of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or SETI, has been largely ignored by the general public, journalists and Hollywood filmmakers. They continue to be enchanted by (and, in Hollywood's case, to commercially exploit) the hope that intelligent life is sprinkled across the galaxy like dandelions across a spring meadow, that those faraway intelligences wish to communicate with us by radio and that said communication would mutually benefit both parties. For example (we are told), aliens could transmit to us cures for cancer and warfare, while we could enlighten them on the mating and sexual rituals of hominids on the third planet of the star called Sol.

Why does the public remain fascinated with a project, SETI, that has so far yielded only disappointment? No doubt it's fun to think that the cosmos is more than "drops of mud," as Anatole France sneered. In an unhappy world, it's reassuring to think that no matter how miserable we are Down Here, there's all kinds of wondrous stuff going on Up There, i.e. that the center of our Milky Way galaxy is a celestial Broadway teeming with brilliant societies and buzzing with starships. Toward that stellar metropolis 30,000 light years overhead, we suffering terrestrials gaze wistfully, rather like the ragged working girls of romantic fiction who gaze longingly at the lights of Manhattan.

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Let see here.. There are billions upon billions upon billions of stars and we are the only intelligent speicies in this universe?? Right.. I do have some oceanfront property in Arizona...
1 posted on 04/03/2006 5:10:51 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; anymouse; NonZeroSum; jimkress; discostu; The_Victor; ...

2 posted on 04/03/2006 5:11:34 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: KevinDavis

Algore is proof of non-human humanoids.


3 posted on 04/03/2006 5:12:11 PM PDT by pissant
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To: KevinDavis
Let see here.. There are billions upon billions upon billions of stars and we are the only intelligent species in this universe?? Right.. I do have some oceanfront property in Arizona...

Other than your saying it. What proof do you have there is any other intelligent life out there?

4 posted on 04/03/2006 5:14:33 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44; All

What proof do you have there isn't???


5 posted on 04/03/2006 5:15:40 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: KevinDavis

"use of giant radiotelescope dishes to listen for radio messages from alien beings in space. So far, the search has been a complete bust."





Instead of listening for messages, why not send messages?


6 posted on 04/03/2006 5:16:49 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: KevinDavis

Visionless idiot.

We have only been searching a *tiny* portion of time.
The search has only just begun. But I guess that just not fast enough for fools. Somethings take a great deal of time from a human perspective.

And who is to say that alien signals havent been streaming through our very bodies all along as thousands of radio signals do every second?

All the time as we searched for "smoke signals" while they were using "radio".

And if we are truly alone. then THAT is a valid answer to this quest too. Either way it is our nature to find out.


7 posted on 04/03/2006 5:17:05 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: KevinDavis
What proof do you have there isn't???

That's a cop out. No one can prove the negative, however the positive is not proven then it is not proven. As far as I know we're it, and you need to face that fact.

8 posted on 04/03/2006 5:18:08 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Brilliant; All

I agree.. We should send the messages..


9 posted on 04/03/2006 5:18:10 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: bnelson44; All

No it isn't....


10 posted on 04/03/2006 5:18:32 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Brilliant
Instead of listening for messages, why not send messages?

We do. It is called television.

11 posted on 04/03/2006 5:18:57 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: KevinDavis

Oh, yes it is


12 posted on 04/03/2006 5:19:21 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: KevinDavis

I'm still hoping they look like "six".


13 posted on 04/03/2006 5:20:16 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; All

How long did it take to prove the Earth was not flat and this planet was not the center of the universe...


14 posted on 04/03/2006 5:20:17 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: bnelson44

I gotta disagree. Back when I was married I used to see flying saucers all the time.


15 posted on 04/03/2006 5:20:39 PM PDT by umgud (12 gauge, the original pepper spray)
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To: bnelson44; All

Only people who believe that we are alone are ignorant.. My gut instinct is that we are not alone.


16 posted on 04/03/2006 5:21:18 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: KevinDavis; bnelson44; All

Have you been receiving signals again?









What's the frequency, Kevin?


17 posted on 04/03/2006 5:21:34 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: KevinDavis
They are all ready here....


18 posted on 04/03/2006 5:22:11 PM PDT by Dallas59 (MOHAMMED LIED-PEOPLE DIED)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
1) We are not interested, I think, in extinct forms of life. But life that is around right now.

2) It is most likely that any intelligent life form that is superior to us would recognize organized radio waves.
3) People need to get use to the fact that we may very well be alone.
19 posted on 04/03/2006 5:22:13 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: neodad

7 of nine...


20 posted on 04/03/2006 5:22:39 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: KevinDavis
My gut instinct is that we are not alone.

Gut instinct, huh? The basis for good science...

21 posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:01 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: KevinDavis

The Egyptian astronomer Ptolemy knew the earth revolved around the sun nearly two thousand years ago and the nature of the solar system seems to have been common knowledge at the time.


22 posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:05 PM PDT by Argus
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To: bnelson44

BTW, I'm inclined to believe we aren't exclusive, but would also like to see tangible proof.


23 posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:05 PM PDT by umgud (12 gauge, the original pepper spray)
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To: KevinDavis; bnelson44

The author is the real person who expects Hollywood-style contact, not astronomers.

SETI is not looking for "messages", but radio signals that wouldn't appear by plain chance. Thus far, approximately 0% of the universe has been closely examined.


24 posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:13 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: KevinDavis
Only people who believe that we are alone are ignorant.. My gut instinct is that we are not alone.

Not very scientific....

25 posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:41 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44; All

So...


26 posted on 04/03/2006 5:24:16 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: SteveMcKing

reference?

SETI wouldn't be shutting down if people in charge thought they had a prayer in finding anything....


27 posted on 04/03/2006 5:24:52 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44

"3) People need to get use to the fact that we may very well be alone."

Possible. But that answer must also be persued with the same techniques.


28 posted on 04/03/2006 5:24:52 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: KevinDavis
This doesn't qualify for a barf alert.

He makes some good points and does it in an interesting manner.

29 posted on 04/03/2006 5:26:56 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: KevinDavis

With libs ruining peoples minds and screwing up civilization...who'd blame the ET's for not talking to us.


30 posted on 04/03/2006 5:26:56 PM PDT by Frenetic
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To: KevinDavis
It might be a long shot, but at the current rates of funding we are not going bankrupt by pursuing SETI. It think is it well worth the money.
31 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:50 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares


I'm sitting here. I wait for someone to come, or to communicate. They don't. So I am alone. I try to listen for them. No answer. I am still alone. Until something changes. I am still alone.

Why can't people accept the fact they are alone?


32 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:58 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44
You want proof? You are the proof. There is life in the universe--we are here--we are it--we are the proof. Unfortunately, if the ultimate,absolute universal speed limit is the speed of light, like Einstein said it is, other life in the universe is so far away that we will never make any sort of contact, even if it is "intelligent" life.
33 posted on 04/03/2006 5:28:22 PM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: KevinDavis
You have read Michael Crichton's lecture about the Drake equation, right?

'Billions upon billions of billions' is a drop in the statistical bucket, my FRiend.

34 posted on 04/03/2006 5:28:51 PM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: bnelson44

There is ample proof: you are it.


35 posted on 04/03/2006 5:29:28 PM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: johnandrhonda

We may very well be alone. Until someone proves otherwise, that is the way it is.

If you believe in the inspired word of God, He told us (more or less) we are it.



36 posted on 04/03/2006 5:29:46 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: KevinDavis
[ There are billions upon billions upon billions of stars and we are the only intelligent speicies in this universe?? Right.. ]

Right..

37 posted on 04/03/2006 5:30:03 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: umgud

That was my Ex on a broom...


38 posted on 04/03/2006 5:30:43 PM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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So according to God we are it??? So according to the Bible we are it??? Question, does the Bible mention Dinosaurs???


39 posted on 04/03/2006 5:31:07 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: KevinDavis

Question: Are you looking for a replacement for God?


40 posted on 04/03/2006 5:32:08 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: umgud

We exist. That is your tangible proof.


41 posted on 04/03/2006 5:32:11 PM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: KevinDavis
Listening to radio waves isn't the way to look for aliens.

Might as well look for smoke signals, carrier pigeons, or pony express stations.

There's no known evidence of other life. If there is evidence it is in a form we cannot presently recognize as such.

42 posted on 04/03/2006 5:34:47 PM PDT by mrsmith
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No, but God did give us free will... Not blind obiedience...


43 posted on 04/03/2006 5:34:48 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: KevinDavis
You've seen them. You just don't remember...


44 posted on 04/03/2006 5:36:11 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: SteveMcKing
Thus far, approximately 0% of the universe has been closely examined.

Good point. My view is, who knows! I wouldn't be shocked if tommorow we had some sort huge discovery of Alien life. There are things I believe are far less likely to happen. Like real border security.

45 posted on 04/03/2006 5:36:41 PM PDT by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: KevinDavis

What scientific evidence do you use to make an intelligent estimate of whether there would be intelligent life on another planet?

I use emperical evidence to suggest the likelyhood is there is no other intelligent life in the universe.

First, there is no intelligent life on any planet we have closely monitored.

Second, we have found no signs of intelligent life anywhere else.

Third, assuming evolution explains the history of life on this planet, the odds of life evolving were astronomical. The chances of it happening TWICE are much worse.

By induction. We have just reached the time in our evolution (again, assuming evolution for the sake of argument only) when we have the ability to transmit. However, we've been able to transmit for some time now, and I assume will be able to do so for the rest of our existance.

If there is ONE other life in the universe, it had to have evolved earlier than us, possibly by MILLIONS of years. If so, they would have long ago been able to develop technology that would have allowed us to pick up their signals. (if it evolved LATER, it wouldn't count as intelligent life at this point in time.

anyway, not a full treatise. Just some reasons why I would predict that there isn't other life in the universe.


46 posted on 04/03/2006 5:36:57 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: KevinDavis; Brilliant
I agree.. We should send the messages..

Thank goodness the messages are a different family, I hear they live in Hoboken.

I have my own problems being auctioned off to Hillary and all.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606468/posts

47 posted on 04/03/2006 5:38:03 PM PDT by A message
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To: KevinDavis

Al Gore believes we are not alone in the universe. And he is ignorant.

Therefore, your assertion is false.


48 posted on 04/03/2006 5:38:54 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: KevinDavis

You'd find it a good deal easier locating intelligent life on other planets if you'd quit landing your saucer at Democratic conventions, Cluster Leader Zoltar.


49 posted on 04/03/2006 5:38:55 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: KevinDavis

Yes it does, "God created the animals"


50 posted on 04/03/2006 5:39:26 PM PDT by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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