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New York City Losing Blacks, Census Shows
NY Times ^ | April 3, 2006 | SAM ROBERTS

Posted on 04/03/2006 8:52:10 PM PDT by neverdem

An accelerating exodus of American-born blacks, coupled with slight declines in birthrates and a slowing influx of Caribbean and African immigrants, have produced a decline in New York City's black population for the first time since the draft riots during the Civil War, according to preliminary census estimates.

An analysis of the latest figures, which show the city with 30,000 fewer black residents in 2004 than in 2000, also revealed stark contrasts in the migration patterns of blacks and whites.

While white New Yorkers are still more likely than blacks to leave the city, they are also more likely to relocate to the nearby suburbs (which is where half the whites move) or elsewhere in the Northeast, or to scatter to other cities and retirement communities across the country. Moreover, New York remains a magnet for whites from most other states.

In contrast, 7 in 10 black people who are moving leave the region altogether. And, unlike black migrants from Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit, most of them go to the South, especially to Florida, the Carolinas and Georgia. The rest move to states like California, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan with large black populations.

Also, New York has a net loss of blacks to all but five states, and those net gains are minuscule.

"This suggests that the black movement out of New York City is much more of an evacuation than the movement for whites," said William Frey, a demographer for the Brookings Institution, who analyzed migration patterns for The New York Times.

The implications for a city of 8.2 million people could be profound. If the trend continues, not only will the black share of New York's population, which dipped below 25 percent in 2000, continue to decline, particularly if the overall population grows, but a higher proportion of...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: New York; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: blackmigration; blacks; census; migration; newyorkcity; nyc; nydemographics; population; populationshifts; whitemigration
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1 posted on 04/03/2006 8:52:12 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I'm north of NYC, but we've never had a very large black population. ONTH, I've noticed more Hispanics. My particular area does not have great job growth.


2 posted on 04/03/2006 8:54:49 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
In His War on Illegal Guns, Bloomberg Is Facing Uphill

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3 posted on 04/03/2006 8:57:23 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem; Cacique; durasell
Two words: Expensive real estate.

There are two types of people leaving NYC these days:

1. Black people who are being priced out of the market. I had a coworker who told me that she was leaving Bed Stuy for New Jersey, because there was no way in hell that she would pay $1400 a month just to live in Bed Stuy.

2. White folk who are being priced out of the market, or who want to raise kids. The former are largely blue collar and low level service workers, the latter folks of all social classes who want to raise their kids in someplace other than a expensive 695 sq.ft. co-op.

New York, like San Francisco and Seattle, is becoming a city of DINKs and SINKs, and the immigrants who provide services to them.

4 posted on 04/03/2006 8:57:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza; neverdem; durasell; Cacique

THREE WORDS: Expensive Real Estate. I've hit the bottle tonight. ;-)


5 posted on 04/03/2006 8:58:35 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

Pretty much on target.


6 posted on 04/03/2006 8:59:26 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: sageb1
Are the Hispanics in your area new immigrants or native-born Nuyoricans and Dominican Yorks who are moving up from the city?

I know that many 'Ricans and Dominicans are moving to Pennsylvania and the Orlando, Florida area.

7 posted on 04/03/2006 9:00:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

NYC is a boom town again. Of course, that could change overnight.


8 posted on 04/03/2006 9:00:31 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Clemenza

DINKs and SINKs???


9 posted on 04/03/2006 9:01:35 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

People grapping with both hands. I doubt there's a city in America that has reaped more financial rewards from the Bush Presidency than NYC.


10 posted on 04/03/2006 9:03:04 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

grapping = grabbing


11 posted on 04/03/2006 9:03:44 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: neverdem

DINKs=Dual Income No Kids
SINKs=Single Income No Kids


12 posted on 04/03/2006 9:06:11 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: neverdem
DINK= Double income, no kids

SINK= Single income, no kids

13 posted on 04/03/2006 9:06:45 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: neverdem

Single Income No Kids

Double Income No Kids


14 posted on 04/03/2006 9:07:11 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: headstamp

I lose. (grin)


15 posted on 04/03/2006 9:08:25 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The East Stroudsburg, Pa., area, where radio advertisements lured first-time homebuyers, was among the 15 top destinations for black residents leaving New York City. More black New Yorkers moved to Monroe County in the Poconos than to either the Rockland or Orange County suburbs of New York.

As I told you a few weeks ago, the Pennsylvania "exurbs" of New York have become popular with blacks and Latinos (especially Nuyoricans) who can no longer afford to live in the city of close-in suburbs.

16 posted on 04/03/2006 9:08:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: durasell
After 9/11, I was told that "real estate would plummet" in New York City.

If I would have bough a condo in Bay Friggin' Ridge, I would have made a gain of at least 50% since then.

17 posted on 04/03/2006 9:09:53 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: neverdem
DINKs and SINKs???

Dual Income No Kids; Single Income No Kids
18 posted on 04/03/2006 9:10:45 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: neverdem

Many blacks are returning back to the South, in areas where their parents or grandparents were born and raised and moved north in the 50s and 60s. Land and housing in the South is cheap and readily available, as well as the jobs created from foreign automakers.


19 posted on 04/03/2006 9:10:48 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

When I was visiting my sister in Greenville, South Carolina I remember seeing three cars with New York plates (an odd site down there, so I took notice). All three were driven by middle age black folks. They were likely part of the migration, as few people from New York visit Greenville to visit unless they have family there.


20 posted on 04/03/2006 9:12:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

Real estate dipped slightly, then bounced back. There is a huge influx of cash from places like Ohio and Iowa. Basically, rich midwesterners and southerners setting their kids up in $700k "starter" condos. I must have met about two dozen of these kids in the last six months.


21 posted on 04/03/2006 9:13:58 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Many blacks are returning back to the South, in areas where their parents or grandparents were born and raised and moved north in the 50s and 60s.Many blacks are returning back to the South, in areas where their parents or grandparents were born and raised and moved north in the 50s and 60s.

That's true for African Americans from many northern cities, not just New York City. The movement of middle class African Americans back to the South (especially the Atlanta area) has been going on for the last decade or so. The trend is probably more acute in New York because, as others have said, many middle class New Yorkers, black and white, are being priced out of the housing market.
22 posted on 04/03/2006 9:21:39 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: neverdem
If you move out of NYC, you better be making big money or you won't be able to afford Nassau County, Westchester, White Plains etc., let alone the Connecticut suburbs. I doubt many want to trade NYC for Newark, either. So, if people are leaving the area completely, it makes economic sense.

I like how the Times gets in a few insinuations about how this is the first time blacks are leaving since "mobs attacked blacks during the draft riots." Just another step in the Times' subliminal campaign to make post-Clinton times seem deadly to the poor little minorities.

23 posted on 04/03/2006 9:23:16 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: KellyAdmirer

A lot of them are retired city and federal workers. They've put in their 25 years in working. They can sell the house they bought for $80,000 for $350,000 or $500,000 and split for a state where living is cheaper. A pension and $500,000 in the bank at age 50 is pretty good.


25 posted on 04/03/2006 9:29:46 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: KellyAdmirer
Why oh why anyone would choose "Na-sawer" County (where I grew up) I have no idea. Ugly, overpriced houses, low class people who live in $500,000 little homes they inherited from their parents, obnoxious attitudes, mediocre schools.

Better to go to Connecticut or North Jersey if you have the bucks.

26 posted on 04/03/2006 9:30:31 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

Don't forget the impossible traffic. I grew up there, too.


27 posted on 04/03/2006 9:35:07 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: conservative in nyc; Extremely Extreme Extremist
“I blazed a trail to get out of New York,” says Moten. “I just wanted a better way for my kids.”

From this 2002 SeeBS article: Going Home to the South

28 posted on 04/03/2006 9:35:54 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Clemenza

Nassau has some tonier census tracts, then the grim picture you paint.


29 posted on 04/03/2006 9:38:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Those "Tony" Census tracts include places like Great Neck and Lawrence (JAP heaven, accent and "awl"), and Old Westbury (home to Victoria Gotti, 'nuff said).

The only places in Nassau with any real class* IMHO are Manhasset, Oyster Bay, and Garden City. The rest are filled with stereotypical Lawn Guylanders.

(Honorable mentions to Malverne and Glen Cove, who although not as infested with the shell suit or Benetton brigade, are still not as tony as the places mentioned above, although they remain good places to live).

30 posted on 04/03/2006 9:44:27 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: neverdem
Blacks moving from Democratic Northeast to Republican South.

Finally, they get the picture.

31 posted on 04/03/2006 9:48:14 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: Clemenza

My aunt lived in Manhasset. Hubby was not wealthy. Her two brothers who moved to California were much more successful, financially. The house was attractive, but quite modest (maybe 2000 square feet on a tight lot, but a nice pseudo English style brick job). The street however was beautiful, with mature trees, and upscale landscaping. This goes back to around the late 1960's.


32 posted on 04/03/2006 9:50:13 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Clemenza
Just more NY Times pathetic spin. Let me put in the correct headline:

Black Citizens Move!: Escape from New York. "Liberal Plantation" City No Longer Attractive to Black Middle Class.

33 posted on 04/03/2006 9:52:49 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Clemenza

Manhasset, my home town, has held up pretty well over the years. Some of the old estates still remain, which keeps some kind of balance between trees and houses. The prohibition against fast food places remains in place, thank goodness. That is just the kind of town it is. I could complain about overbuilding and such, but overall it remains imho the nicest place on the entire island, which has gone downhill in the last thirty years.


34 posted on 04/03/2006 9:53:51 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Torie
Houses in Manhasset can't be had for less than $500-600K. That is for a three-bedroom post-war cape cod house.

Manhasset was once a middle class enclave. There were even NYC cops living there at one time. Now is is pricey, largely due to the excellent schools.

35 posted on 04/03/2006 9:55:03 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza
Ugly, overpriced houses, low class people who live in $500,000 little homes they inherited from their parents, obnoxious attitudes, mediocre schools.

Hey, getting my house from my parents in Nassau was my plan. Who stole it?

36 posted on 04/03/2006 9:56:38 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
Hey, getting my house from my parents in Nassau was my plan. Who stole it?

That's basically the only way to get one there. That, or strike it rich in the city.

37 posted on 04/03/2006 9:57:39 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: LdSentinal

LOL, my parents sold their house for a ton of money and proceeded to move to a place in Boca that has also appreciated in value considerably. Being that they will probably die in their Florida house, I'm not exactly looking forward to inheriting it. Here's hoping they live for a couple more decades.


38 posted on 04/03/2006 9:59:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: neverdem


Looks like we need to rechocolate New York.


39 posted on 04/03/2006 10:03:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: neverdem

Gee, does this mean that there might be a chance that the GOP could someday carry New York if this trend continues?


40 posted on 04/03/2006 10:10:17 PM PDT by no dems (Are there any other Populists in the GOP other than Tom Tancredo?)
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To: no dems

No. Interestingly, NYC has been hostile to Puritans, and Whigs and Pubbies since its founding. Morality was never allowed to get in the way of money. Blame the Dutch.


41 posted on 04/03/2006 10:13:32 PM PDT by Torie
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To: no dems; Torie; neverdem

The last time there was a moral crusade in New York, it was the one led by Reverend Parkhurst in the late 19th Century. A proponent of the "good government movement", Tammany later had the last laugh when the Tabloids reported his, uh, "extracurricular affairs."


42 posted on 04/03/2006 10:15:33 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: KellyAdmirer
That's basically the only way to get one there. That, or strike it rich in the city.

Bought a house in Nassau 19 years ago and then traded up once.

I don't see how anybody could buy a starter home here now.

43 posted on 04/03/2006 10:18:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: no dems
Gee, does this mean that there might be a chance that the GOP could someday carry New York if this trend continues?

Bush carried Staten Island buy a comfortable margin in '04.

44 posted on 04/03/2006 10:20:30 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Staten Island or Long Island? Either way; that's good news.


45 posted on 04/03/2006 10:24:12 PM PDT by no dems (Are there any other Populists in the GOP other than Tom Tancredo?)
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To: no dems; FreeReign

The GOP has NOT carried Long Island in a Presidential election since 1988.


46 posted on 04/03/2006 10:26:58 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Just Wasn't Made for These Times)
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To: Clemenza

Did you know that at one time, Flatbush had the highest percentage of slaves vis a vis the population, of anywhere in the colonies, something like 45%. Long Island was slave city, with Dutch masters. That flat fertile land was perfect for a slave economy. Don't hold me to it, but this was around 1720. NYC (lower Manhattan) was 20% slave. In 1741, they tried to burn the city down, and about 100 were executed (some burned at the stake), and another bunch deported. Who knew?


47 posted on 04/03/2006 10:28:40 PM PDT by Torie
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To: no dems
Staten Island or Long Island? Either way; that's good news.

Believe it or not, L.I. went for Kerry in '04 while the borough of S.I. in NYC went for Bush.

48 posted on 04/03/2006 10:29:15 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Staten Island has always been a slice of upstate transported to downstate. It's where all the Wall Street clerks live. If you ever wondered, how can NYC be so liberal and still have the financial heart of the country there with financially-savvy Republican types, well, Staten Island is the answer. Downstate in general, though, has been trending left for the last twenty years. Nassau County used to be bedrock Republican, now sadly it has turned liberal.


49 posted on 04/03/2006 10:32:52 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: KellyAdmirer
Nassau County used to be bedrock Republican, now sadly it has turned liberal.

It was disturbing to watch in '92 when L.I. went for Clinton.

It was the first time I thougth, "what's wrong with these people"?

50 posted on 04/03/2006 10:44:57 PM PDT by FreeReign
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