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JAYNA DAVIS on OKC: New email story from her; see her 8-minute video report with witnesses
Jayna Davis email and her website ^ | 4-5-06 | Jayna Davis/dfu commennts

Posted on 04/05/2006 10:30:54 AM PDT by doug from upland

WATCH JAYNA'S VIDEO NEWS REPORT --- IRAQI CONNECTION

In addition to this video, Jayna has eyewitness, several more than are on the video, who identify Hussain Al-Hussaini as THE THIRD TERRORIST. There is an Iraqi connection to the OKC bombing. Bill Clinton wanted it to be domestic terror, so that is what Janet Reno gave him. Had Clinton been a real commander in chief, he would have dealt with the Islamic threat, and we could have avoided 9-11.

Jayna has 22 eye witnesses. Fourteen are on tape being grilled by Dave Schippers. Why is no one listening to them? Why isn't congresses allowed to watch Schippers examine them and hear their testimony in closed session?

ROHRABACHER WANTS NEW PROBE

JAYNA SAYS ROHRABACHER WON'T USE WITNESS VIDEOS

JAYNA'S EMAIL TO ME TODAY --

Congressman Resurrects Lifeless OKC Bomb Theory

After a year-long investigation, California Congressman Dana Rohrabacher has “concluded there is ample evidence to justify an investigative hearing” into the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. In a March 30, 2006 memorandum to Chairman Henry Hyde, Rohrabacher advances the theory that German national Andreas Strassmeier, a purported government informant living in an eastern Oklahoma white separatist community, may have “played a significant role in the planning and execution” of this historic crime. The congressman persists in resurrecting this lifeless, wholly discredited conspiracy theory despite salient facts which repudiate neo-nazi involvement in the greatest act of terror in 20th century America. So where’s the proof? There is none.

A string of court rulings and a book authored by Jon Hersley, the former lead investigator for the FBI Oklahoma Bomb Task Force, establishes that the most prodigious federal investigation failed to uncover any evidence whatsoever implicating the Elohim City security officer, Andreas Strassmeier, residents of the religious compound, and the jailed members of the Aryan Republican Army (ARA) who perpetrated a host of Midwestern bank robberies during the early 1990s. Despite the Bureau’s exhaustive efforts, it could not produce one motel registration log, phone record, fingerprint, or eyewitness account linking these alleged conspirators to “any overt act in the commission of the crime.” Moreover, much to the chagrin of federal agents, the FBI was forced to testify under oath before Judge Steven Taylor during Terry Nichols’ 2004 murder trial that the neo-nazi gang of bank robbers, Strassmeier, and his former neighbors at Elohim City have provable alibis and have been officially cleared of suspicion by the Bureau.

Endless paper trail hits dead end

A Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking to unseal FBI files which might indicate that the ARA bank robbers and/or Strassmeier acted as government informants in “a sting operation gone awry” produced more than three hundred pertinent documents but not a single revelatory or no smoking gun. However, the FOIA case did prove that the FBI had redacted names of informants residing in Elohim City, but none was named as a participant in the bombing. The endless paper trail led to a dead end, but it did tell an intriguing story of the FBI’s failed quest to find McVeigh’s legendary accomplice, John Doe 2. It soon became evident that the Bureau conducted a myopic manhunt bent on collaring a “homegrown” third terrorist of Caucasian, not foreign heritage. Absent of such evidence, they refused legitimate leads into a Middle Eastern connection as they did not fit into their prescripted scenario.

In early 1996, the Bureau conducted an unprecedented investigation in a Herculean effort to connect the rogue Aryan Republican Army militiamen turned bank robbers to the two Oklahoma City bombers. After all, they were cut from the same cloth as Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols and indubitably fit the profile of the anti-government, angry white men who avenged their hatred of the establishment by destroying a federal complex. All one has to do is to simply recall the social and political climate that existed at the time to understand that the Bureau’s need to force-fit a suspect matching that profile.

Judge rules homegrown terrorist complicity a “dry hole, hyperbole”

After conducting 25-thousand witness interviews, the FBI could not find one witness who could tie the ARA bank robbers, Strassmeier, or Elohim City white separatists to downtown Oklahoma City, McVeigh, the Ryder truck, getaway vehicles, or the bombsite. During Terry Nichols’ 2004 state murder trial, the FBI was forced to testify en camera before Judge Steven Taylor regarding the alleged involvement of Elohim City, Strassmeier, and the band of robbers in the bombing, which had been raised by defense lawyers. However, federal agents were loath to admit that not one member of the ARA bank robbery gang or the German national were in Oklahoma City on the fateful morning of April 19, 1995. All had irrefutable alibis.

But the judge was not convinced. In the interest of objectivity, he ordered the FBI to compare the convicted gangsters' fingerprints with more than one thousand prints gathered during the course of the bombing investigation. The result – no match. The judge then ruled that with established alibis, no eyewitness testimony linking the purported suspects to the crime scene, and no forensic match to the fingerprints, the defense team's supposition that the Midwest bank robbers, Elohim City residents, and/or Andreas Strassmeier moonlighted as mad bombers was nothing more than "hyperbole and a dry hole."

Judge Taylor did, however, leave the door open for the defense to call to the stand witnesses who could tie "others unknown" to "overt acts in the commission of the crime." Nichols' lawyers shrieked. The only perpetrators who were seen with McVeigh in Oklahoma City before that tragic day and during the placement of the bomb truck were Iraqi soldiers. Viewed through the lens of September 11, exposing McVeigh's collusion with Iraqi servicemen meant a certain death penalty for Nichols, who would have been characterized as a murderous traitor colluding with enemy soldiers to slaughter innocent Americans. The jury would have likely determined Nichols acted with clear malice, motive, and murderous intent - all the elements that the 2004 Oklahoma trial testimony failed to provide, which enabled Nichols to elude the death penalty once again.

FBI fails to clear Iraqi soldier whom witnesses call “the third terrorist”

As for the three hundred documents in the FBI archive relating to the undercover surveillance of Elohim City and the 1990s Midwest bank heist investigation, I expected nothing less. The FBI spared no resources to make the connection to right-wing zealots in an effort to satisfy the public's insatiable desire to produce the ubiquitous John Doe 2. However, out rightly dismissing that Elohim City might have served as a possible meeting ground for the Oklahoma bombers presented quite a quandary. Why? The FBI had two known informants in the rural compound, spiritual leader Reverend Robert Millar (FBI informant status confirmed in 1997 courtroom testimony) and resident Carol Howe, an ATF informant who did not accuse Strassmeier of association with Timothy McVeigh until after she had been tried and acquitted of federal explosives charges.

In short, the Bureau has been completely and utterly unable to connect the citizen militia movement, neo-nazis, and government informants to the 1995 Heartland bombing. Yet by failing to publicly debunk this decade-old conspiracy theory, the United State Department of Justice effectively dodges the questions it cannot answer, or will not answer. Why did the federal agents never question Hussain Al-Hussaini, an Iraqi soldier who has no alibi, whom multiple witnesses have placed in the company of McVeigh, in the passenger seat of the Ryder truck that carried the Murrah Building bomb, and behind the wheel of a getaway vehicle pursued in an FBI all-points-bulletin issued the morning of April 19, 1995 for foreign suspects?

And why, years later, has the Bureau refused to clear Al-Hussaini as a suspect in the worst act of mass murder in annuals of American criminal history? Andreas Strassmeier has been questioned and officially exonerated. The same absolution has been granted to the Midwest Aryan bank robbers who revered Timothy McVeigh as a revolutionary hero.

Congressman Rohrabacher’s misguided belief that domestic terrorists and/or duplicitous government informants have escaped justice in the slaughter of 171 men, women, and children, will inevitably turn up no hard proof in congressional hearings. In turn, this public charade will inoculate the American people to the truth embodied in my book, The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to Oklahoma City Bombing.

In May 2005, Chicago lawyer David Schippers, the former chief prosecutor for the 1998 impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton, conducted lengthy videotaped interviews with the principal confidential witnesses featured in The Third Terrorist. He stated that as a 45-year practicing attorney and former federal prosecutor, he could deliver “a grand jury indictment against Hussaini Al-Hussaini with one day of testimony!” There are 22 witnesses whose testimonies are begging to be heard. There are 171 victims who depend on those voices. I am waiting on law enforcement and Congress to do the right thing.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coverup; hussein; iraqiconnection; jaynadavis; murrahbuilding; okc; okcbombing; oklahomacity; thirdterrorist
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1 posted on 04/05/2006 10:30:59 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
I have no doubt that some federal bureaucracy was intimitely involved in the planning and execution of the OKC bombing (probably as a sting operation that they lost control of), and I also have no doubt that the powers that be will never, under any circumstances, allow that bureaucracy to be exposed.
2 posted on 04/05/2006 10:38:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Are you serious? You think our government was responsible for the bombing of the federal building?

Who do you think killed JFK?


3 posted on 04/05/2006 10:43:44 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I don't want to accuse anyone in the government of complicity in the bombing. But I will say that the truth has been hidden by people in our government.


4 posted on 04/05/2006 10:44:43 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland
Do you think a FOIA request would work in getting ahold of the Secret Service log and the video it refers to that is described in this short audio report?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1846269
5 posted on 04/05/2006 10:54:06 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: doug from upland
Point A)Bill Clinton wanted it to be domestic terror, so that is what Janet Reno gave him. Had Clinton been a real commander in chief, he would have dealt with the Islamic threat, and we could have avoided 9-11.

Point B)Jayna has 22 eye witnesses. Fourteen are on tape being grilled by Dave Schippers. Why is no one listening to them? Why isn't congresses allowed to watch Schippers examine them and hear their testimony in closed session?

For the answer to Point B, see Point A. Bush and the Republicans are all in the same club. This is why the Bush admin is never going to point a finger at the Clinton admin.

6 posted on 04/05/2006 10:54:10 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: mlc9852
You think our government was responsible for the bombing of the federal building?

I think it was a sting operation that they lost control of, just as I stated in the message you responded to.

The Feds attempted to manufacture domestic terrorists that they would then stop in the nick of time while basking in the warm glow of media adulation.

Only problem is, the maniacs they were trying to entrap decided to become independent operators.

7 posted on 04/05/2006 10:55:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; doug from upland

I agree with Doug that the investigation was manipulated -- with Jamie Goerlick behind that manipulation same as she was behind the manipulation of the TWA 800 investigation/coverup.


8 posted on 04/05/2006 11:00:47 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: doug from upland; truthaboveall
I don't want to accuse anyone in the government of complicity in the bombing. But I will say that the truth has been hidden by people in our government.

I, however, will accuse government agencies of withholding, distorting, and destroying evidence re OKBOMB -- and with plain old lying to their employers -- America's taxpayers.

9 posted on 04/05/2006 11:02:21 AM PDT by TXnMA
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To: truthaboveall

Jayna, come here and say hi.


10 posted on 04/05/2006 11:03:23 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

bttt


11 posted on 04/05/2006 11:04:33 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: sneakers

BTTT


12 posted on 04/05/2006 11:11:47 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: doug from upland

Mr. TalibanDornan says Rohrabacher’s got a weakness for terror suspects
By R. Scott Moxley
Thursday, December 25, 2003 - 12:00 am

Photo courtesy of congressman
Dana Rohrabacher
Despite his attempt to laugh off a surprise primary challenge by ex-congressman Bob Dornan, Huntington Beach Republican Dana Rohrabacher could be in big trouble. His health is fine and, despite persistent rumors, he’s avoided sex scandals. But the congressman has direct connections not only to a recently arrested Islamic terrorist suspect, but also to Muslim Americans who’ve professed allegiance to such terrorist groups as Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda—groups that have aided suicide bomber missions around the world and have been identified by President Bush as threats to national security.

None of this is likely to escape Dornan’s notice. The man who lost his last two runs against Democrat Loretta Sanchez for the central Orange County congressional district has already promised to make the War on Terror his No. 1 campaign issue. In the months ahead, count on Dornan to focus on Rohrabacher’s long, close association with three Muslim Americans investigated by federal authorities for alleged support of anti-U.S. terrorist activities:

• Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was arrested in September on money laundering charges after he allegedly accepted a briefcase containing $340,000 in sequentially numbered $100 bills from front groups tied to Osama bin Laden and Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi. Alamoudi, 51, founded the American Muslim Council (AMC) and, though careful to project a moderate image, has praised such terrorist groups as Hamas and Hezbollah. He is currently awaiting a February trial in Virginia. In that case, a federal agent has reportedly supplied an affidavit swearing that Alamoudi told other Muslim Americans in 1996, "If we are outside this country, we can say, ‘Oh, Allah, destroy America!’ But once we are here, our mission is to change it."

Pro-Israel groups say Alamoudi repeatedly named Rohrabacher as a guest of honor at political meetings. At one of those meetings, five months before Sept. 11, Rohrabacher blamed the United States for Middle East tensions and for rubberstamping "whatever Israel wants." Alamoudi’s AMC responded by giving the congressman an award.

Using his political connections, Alamoudi helped organize the Muslim chaplain program for the Defense Department. The program was recently embarrassed when an Alamoudi-backed chaplain ministering to Taliban and al-Qaeda detainees was allegedly caught mishandling classified material. In a March 2002 affidavit, a U.S. customs agent declared that Alamoudi associate Jamal Barzinji operated several companies that secretly offered financial support for terrorists involved in international murder and bombings and that Barzinji is close to the terrorist group Islamic Jihad. Federal Election Commission records show that Alamoudi and his associates have given Rohrabacher more than $15,500 in contributions over the years.

• Alamoudi associate and Rohrabacher contributor/travel companion Khaled Saffuri, a Palestinian Muslim by birth who has ties to Islamic radicals throughout the Middle East. According to Frank J. Gaffney Jr. of the conservative Center for Security Policy, Saffuri frequently attended Washington, D.C., strategy meetings with Rohrabacher and his longtime political ally Grover Norquist, the conservative political strategist. Even Rohrabacher’s allies were anxious about the relationship. In December 2001, a Rohrabacher congressional staff member outlined for Rohrabacher Saffuri’s secret role in providing financial assistance to the families of suicide bombers and Saffuri’s outrage that Bush had frozen the assets of the Saudi-directed Holy Land Foundation for its suspected terrorist ties. The staffer told Rohrabacher that Saffuri was "giving money to an organization that makes it possible for suicide bombers to carry out their missions" and that his "loyalties" are not to the U.S. The memo concluded, "I know Saffuri is your friend and that you think highly of him. I believe that as your friend, if he is a true friend, he will understand the reason that you would not want to receive further counsel from him." Rohrabacher ignored the warning—which was first published without names in the conservative Insight magazine in May 2002—and the staffer quit. According to J. Michael Waller, a senior writer at Insight, Rohrabacher’s activity was evidence that a "terror-support network across the United States" had "bought themselves political access and political cover in Washington in what appear to have been attempts to undermine existing federal counterterrorism laws."

• Abdulwahab Alkebsi helps run Middle East organizations associated with Alamoudi and Saffuri. He is a Rohrabacher contributor and is currently a program officer at the Arab-funded National Endowment for Democracy in Washington, D.C. Alkebsi has vocally opposed FBI investigations into U.S.-based Muslim groups. The Yemen-born activist claims the probes are "harassment" and that Muslim leaders such as himself are "victims."


Back home in Huntington Beach, Rohrabacher is a flag-waving, pro-war conservative. But in Washington, he has often joined Alamoudi, Alkebsi and Saffuri in their criticism of U.S. policy. In 2001, just before Sept. 11, for example, the congressman declared the U.S. had acted "immorally or amorally" in the Middle East and that "sometimes it comes back to haunt you."

House of Representatives disclosure records show that, between 1998 and 2002, the Arab American Institute and the Islamic Institute gave Rohrabacher four all-expenses-paid trips to the Middle East.

In such limited circles, Rohrabacher has complained of Israel’s influence on U.S. foreign policy. That position has led him to several embarrassing blunders. In September 2002, OC Weekly revealed that Rohrabacher had not been honest about his relationship with the pro-bin Laden Taliban. These days, Rohrabacher touts his opposition to the Taliban, but in 1996 he told the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs that Taliban leaders are "not terrorists or revolutionaries" and that their "takeover of Afghanistan would be a positive development" for the U.S.

The congressman also maintained a cordial, behind-the-scenes relationship with bin Laden associates in the Middle East in the months just before Sept. 11. On April 11, 2001, Rohrabacher traveled with Saffuri and others from Washington, D.C., to meet in Qatar with Taliban leader Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil. The regime that was protecting bin Laden from U.S. intelligence operations wanted Rohrabacher to help increase U.S. aid to it, at the time already more than $100 million annually. Rohrabacher emerged from those meetings to tell Middle Eastern news media that the meeting had been "frank and open" and that the Taliban leaders were "thoughtful and inquisitive" as well as "flexible."

Rohrabacher was obviously mistaken. Five months later to the day, bin Laden’s terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. In the days following those attacks, the congressman claimed he had anticipated the Sept. 11 suicide missions a day before they were launched, but could not get National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to hear his warnings. He eventually blamed the disaster on Bill Clinton, who had been out of power for eight months. The Orange County Register dutifully reported the congressman’s attack on Clinton, but left out his questionable involvement with the Taliban.

Now that he’s in a tough primary fight, Rohrabacher won’t find it so easy to dodge questions about his Middle Eastern friends. Ask Dornan why he thinks he can win and he won’t hesitate to reply: "9-11." For the typically longwinded, flame-throwing ex-congressman, the campaign strategy is both uncharacteristically simple and credible.

"What was Dana thinking?" said Dornan shortly after announcing his run for office. "Why would he be working with those characters? It’s unforgivable. He’s got a lot of explaining to do."


Rscottmoxley@ocweekly.com.


For related Rohrabacher articles, go to "Rogue Statesman" (Sept. 6, 2002) and "Separate and Unequal: Thank God for the conservative media" (Sept. 27, 2002).


13 posted on 04/05/2006 11:17:34 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: P-40

They will stonewall a FOIA for years.


14 posted on 04/05/2006 11:19:27 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

That.... is unnerving.


15 posted on 04/05/2006 11:20:20 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

What are the witeness's saying?


16 posted on 04/05/2006 11:21:22 AM PDT by BIGZ
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To: BIGZ

They identify Hussain Al-Hussaini as the guy in the truck with McVeigh.


17 posted on 04/05/2006 11:22:07 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I have no doubt that some federal bureaucracy was intimitely involved in the planning and execution of the OKC bombing

I agree they were called Ba'athists.
18 posted on 04/05/2006 11:22:23 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression

Probably.


19 posted on 04/05/2006 11:23:10 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
One name says it all... Carol Howe

The New American has been reporting on the OKC mess for years now. No one in the MSM has ever put any real heat on the Feds in all of these years since the OKC bombing occurred so I don't expect anything now.

Besides... OKC actually helped bring about Homeland Security/Patriot Act etc... The feds aren't about to give that jelly bean back to US citizens.

20 posted on 04/05/2006 11:23:58 AM PDT by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: BlueStateDepression

Even McViegh's lawyer Steven Jones said in his book, "Others Unknown" that Nichols met with Yousif.
Can we have an Ann Coulter rule for Jayna Davis? Even her drawing in the WSJ looks good.


21 posted on 04/05/2006 11:25:16 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: doug from upland

BTTT and bookmark. Thanks for the new info and links.


22 posted on 04/05/2006 11:25:28 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: doug from upland

Grassy Ass


23 posted on 04/05/2006 11:25:57 AM PDT by BIGZ
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To: mlc9852
Who do you think killed JFK?

He may not have pulled the triggers (plural) but I have believed that Lyndon Baines Johnson was involved up to his eyeballs for over 40 years. Cui bono.
24 posted on 04/05/2006 11:30:17 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: doug from upland
Namebase search for Rohrabacher (right click to show)

link

25 posted on 04/05/2006 11:30:47 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: doug from upland

bttt


26 posted on 04/05/2006 11:31:29 AM PDT by Deguello (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs and teach my children to play.)
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To: doug from upland
They will stonewall a FOIA for years.

I wonder if it would work though. I'd wait years for it...I just somehow doubt it would ever arrive. For that Secret Service agent to lie on the witness stand about the video he describes in such detail. Something going on there...
27 posted on 04/05/2006 11:31:42 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: txflake

Oops, don't click that - go to namebase.org, do proximity search with Rohrabacher.


28 posted on 04/05/2006 11:32:21 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: doug from upland

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608606/posts
Ramzi Yousef, Oklahoma City, and Al Qaeda: Linked in Documents?


29 posted on 04/05/2006 11:34:50 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: doug from upland

I have to admit that Clinton and his antics had me fooled. I really bought into the idea that a crazy white guy had a bone to pick and acted on his own or with a couple buddies.

A certain book really opened my eyes to serious gaps and questions that are due serious answers. I started to read a bit more about the happenings.

I think the Clinton regime buried this in order to keep the liberal agenda alive. His liberal agenda was based on the idea that Al qaeda ( or any other terrorist entity) really thinks they have won the war the instant their enemy begins to battle back.

I really think he had the idea that the only way to beat them was to deny them battle alltogether.....like they would just give up and go on to something else. This resulted in attacks that gained frequency and scale culminating in 9 11. Failure to admit that today is where I think all the bush hate comes from....frustration from being so wrong.

Now maybe I am simply nuts and finding things in ideas that make no sense in reality but one truth I know.....Clinton would not go after Saddam no matter what.
He would have lost his liberal base support so action was a non starter.

One question, I saw a picture of jose padilla next to a sketch of a possible third terrorist. Is it my imagination that I see similarities there? Am
i a looney tune for thinking that maybe, just maybe this would explain all the hub bub about him?


30 posted on 04/05/2006 11:35:33 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Gorelick was "the fixer" alright. OKC, TWA800, 9-11, all covered up to hide the incompetence, malfeasance, and corruption of the Clintons.


31 posted on 04/05/2006 11:39:40 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: massgopguy

I would say that her intelligence and resolve that she has shown command an entrance to that rule. I would say though, that should up to her. :)


32 posted on 04/05/2006 11:41:05 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

After her being on the side of the 9 11 commissions panel that she sat on I would offer she has a wicked set of "tools" that support her being labeled a "fixer".

Everything I have seen says that she should have been answering questions rather than asking them or pondering answers given.


33 posted on 04/05/2006 11:43:17 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression

That Padilla had a resemblance was a total coincidence.

Clinton used OKC to save his presidency and get those on his side to dig in their heels and battle us --- the vast right wing conspiracy. He did it brilliantly.

Clinton cared only about a domestic agenda and keeping people dumb and happy. That got him re-elected and saved his conviction in the senate. Remember --- it's the economy, stupid. He knew that is what people cared about, and he used it to his advantage. He did not want to confront Iraq and have a costly foreign war. Dubya did that because he is a true commander in chief. But look at what it has done to Dubya's ratings.

We had 9-11 because Clinton would not deal with Islamic terror. Until 1998, he tried to make everyone believe that domestic terror was our greatest threat.


34 posted on 04/05/2006 11:52:14 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

This is a little off the subject....but was there ever an investigation concerning the suicide bomber who blew himself up at the Oklahoma vs.K-State game last fall? Seems like I remember he had questionable ties to an Islamic group in OKC, but after a few days the news died out.


35 posted on 04/05/2006 12:00:15 PM PDT by Jessarah
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To: doug from upland

Thanks doug.

ABout the ratings though. I don't think it is his actions that made them low. I think most people approve of his actions and the pollsters ask pointed questions that mislead people into giving them the results they are seeking in their poll.

Do you approve of the presidents actions in Iraq?

People that want less or no action in Iraq will answer no to this question.

OTOH people that want more action in Iraq will also answer no.

Pollsters will lump both no answers together in order to gain the negative impression even though they are direct opposites.

I offer that it is the MSM and the pollsters that play the game with them that make it appear W is on the losing end of poll numbers. I think that the Kerry (and even gore) exit polls show that W has alot more support than what is portrayed.

I agree that clinton turned us onto the idea we have a serious domestic threat. We do and that enemy consists of our MSM and the liberal left.


36 posted on 04/05/2006 12:01:38 PM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression
I think the Clinton regime buried this in order to keep the liberal agenda alive. His liberal agenda was based on the idea that Al qaeda ( or any other terrorist entity) really thinks they have won the war the instant their enemy begins to battle back.

More likely they buried it because Clinton blamed Talk Radio and the Right Wing for the bombing. The lift he got from the bombing probably saved his reelection to his second term. I don't think he cared much one way or another about Al Qaeda, until he needed a "Wag the Dog" opportunity on the eve of his impeachment.

37 posted on 04/05/2006 12:07:06 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato

BTTT


38 posted on 04/05/2006 12:19:13 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: doug from upland
We had 9-11 because Clinton would not deal with Islamic terror.

I remember wondering on 911 where all the fighter jets were. Little did I know we were down to seven "alert sites" for the whole country...with two jets apiece. How could that have happened...
39 posted on 04/05/2006 12:33:20 PM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: BlueStateDepression

After her being on the side of the 9 11 commissions panel that she sat on I would offer she has a wicked set of "tools" that support her being labeled a "fixer".

Everything I have seen says that she should have been answering questions rather than asking them or pondering answers given.

In a more just world, this treasonous b*tch would be found hanging from a lamp-post.

WTOMP


40 posted on 04/05/2006 1:16:35 PM PDT by newcthem (Use Allah urinal cakes!)
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To: Jessarah

Simply another troubled white guy, acting alone.......nothing to see here, move along.


41 posted on 04/05/2006 1:17:47 PM PDT by newcthem (Use Allah urinal cakes!)
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To: doug from upland

Another "the TRUTH is out there" Ping to myself.


42 posted on 04/05/2006 1:27:10 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Jessarah

You asked ....

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How Normal Is Norman?
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THE OU BOMBER PAPERS: NO CLOSURE
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Highly explosive material found in apartment of Colorado man who blew self up near football game
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Under Scrutiny - Members of the collective report several encounters with the FBI
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Has Terrorism Returned to America’s Heartland?
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Close call, but fun for all
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OU takes extra security precautions
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OU Stadium Security On Red Alert For Saturday's Game
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Not the terrorist you were looking for … move along (OU Bombing)
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Media ignore importance of Muslim ties
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OU student left suicide message
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OK Bomber Update Coming Up on H&C!!!!!!
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Media paralyzed by political correctness (Islamic Terrorism and OU Bombing)
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Bad timing blamed for group's detainment
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Student's Suicide Sets Off Explosion Of Theories by Blogs
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FBI and other(sic) shed light (SPIN ALERT)
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Media Might Be Missing a Story and Ignoring a Terrorist
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FBI Denies University Bomber Tied to Terrorism ('At this time' qualifier used again)
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In Bombing At OU Stadium There Are More Questions Than Answers
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Bomb Blast at University of Oklahoma (Breaking on Fox) - suicide bomber at OU
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43 posted on 04/05/2006 1:37:50 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I 'bout dropped my teeth when I was sleuthing something about this a couple of days ago.

In OK court records, I had been looking at cases involving Samir Khalil, the employer of Al-Hussaini in OKC. One of the notations on one of them said "Paid by Gorelick" on the matter of fees. LOL. Yikes, I thought.

Tracked it to its source and it was the name of an OKC judge, Sidney Gorelick, to whom this guy had paid some funds on a case and who, in turn, was refunding the remainders. Whew! It's not that common of a name, but more common than I thought when I looked around a bit.


44 posted on 04/05/2006 1:43:00 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
Tracked it to its source and it was the name of an OKC judge, Sidney Gorelick

Jamie Gorelick's middle name starts with an S. :)
45 posted on 04/05/2006 1:50:05 PM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: P-40

And take a wild guess what Sidney's middle initial is. Yep.

(He's a man, BTW.)


46 posted on 04/05/2006 2:00:09 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
And take a wild guess what Sidney's middle initial is. Yep.

If his middle name was Clinton...I'd be calling for an investigation. :)
47 posted on 04/05/2006 2:11:35 PM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Don't forget Sandy Burglar - he was another Klinton regime "fixer".


48 posted on 04/05/2006 2:14:10 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: Jessarah

I got lost in that story. Someone else may know.


49 posted on 04/05/2006 2:21:43 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

Bookmarking


50 posted on 04/05/2006 2:27:32 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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