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Wake up, Europe. It may already be too late.
MacLeans Magazine ^ | April 05, 2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/05/2006 12:17:50 PM PDT by finnigan2

've had a recurring experience in the last few months. I'll be reading some geopolitical tract like Sands Of Empire: Missionary Zeal, American Foreign Policy, and the Hazards Of Global Ambition by Robert W. Merry, and two-thirds of the way in I'll stumble across: "With the onset of the Iraq War and European opposition, many Americans embraced a severe anti-European attitude. 'To the list of polities destined to slip down the Eurinal of history,' wrote Mark Steyn in the Jewish World Review, 'we must add the European Union and France's Fifth Republic.' "

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Steyn again shows how to turn a column ostensibly about book reviews into a perceptive political tract.
1 posted on 04/05/2006 12:17:51 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2

Wake up, Charlie! Europe needs you!

2 posted on 04/05/2006 12:25:37 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Its too late for Europe.....your Grandchildren will be fighting in Europe to save the last of the elderly white europeans who will still hate America even though the Islamonuts are crushing them....let em sink!


3 posted on 04/05/2006 12:29:06 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice

I refuse to believe that.If the United States could give Carter the boot and reject socialism, Europe can too. Europe needs a Reagan. It's just a question of whether the people of Europe will get tired of the tar pit they're in before they drown in it.


4 posted on 04/05/2006 12:33:48 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Darth Malice
But for the time being, they're idiots.
5 posted on 04/05/2006 12:35:02 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: finnigan2


And, if even Murray's too much, go back to the granddaddy of them all -- Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Recounting the Muslim march on France 1,300 years ago, Gibbon writes:

"The decline of the French monarchy invited the attack of these insatiate fanatics. The descendants of Clovis had lost the inheritance of his martial and ferocious spirit; and their misfortune or demerit has affixed the epithet of lazy to the last kings of the Merovingian race. They ascended the throne without power, and sunk into the grave without a name. . . . The vineyards of Gascony and the city of Bordeaux were possessed by the sovereign of Damascus and Samarcand; and the south of France, from the mouth of the Garonne to that of the Rhone, assumed the manners and religion of Arabia."

Hmm.


6 posted on 04/05/2006 12:37:30 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Gordongekko909

Having been to Europe most Europeans will either leave or quietly hope the Muslims will have Mercy. The average European male has been so feminised that the few child-bearing European women will gravitate to the more agressive muslim even if they trat them like beast.All the best European males were killed off in WW2


7 posted on 04/05/2006 12:38:04 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: finnigan2

Macleans is becoming a fine magazine.

Thank God! It was an unreadable Canadian Liberal Establishment rag before the new ownership and fresh direction.

Hopefully, they'll give Western Standard a real competitor on the right!


8 posted on 04/05/2006 12:44:08 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: finnigan2

All I know is that if Europe calls, we'd be foolish to ignore their pleas for help. One because I really enjoy watching the US kick Muslim ass; and two because what befalls Europe will eventually befall the US.


9 posted on 04/05/2006 12:46:08 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Illegal aliens don’t take jobs Americans won’t; they take wages Americans won’t)
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To: headsonpikes

Canada will host muslims in cross border attacks on America in the future.....they have the same mentality as Europe


10 posted on 04/05/2006 12:46:24 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice
Yeah, but even after feminism neutered American males in the seventies, we still managed to revive ourselves. And if European women want aggressive manly men, then I suppose that those very European women the best ones to make this happen. Supply and demand will take over.

'course, that's assuming that European men have not been feminized all the way to the point of rampant bisexuality...

11 posted on 04/05/2006 12:47:25 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: steel_resolve

It will be bloody....but will Europe WANT to be saved?


12 posted on 04/05/2006 12:47:27 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice
Canada will host muslims in cross border attacks on America in the future.....they have the same mentality as Europe

In your dreams, DUmpster troll!

13 posted on 04/05/2006 12:48:45 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Gordongekko909

One word "Boy George ".....that is the European male


14 posted on 04/05/2006 12:48:56 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice

What are European womenfolk like?


15 posted on 04/05/2006 12:50:47 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: headsonpikes

I 'm sorry but Canada will easily be intimidated by their muslim population when it really grows unless they get their manhood back!


16 posted on 04/05/2006 12:51:06 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: headsonpikes

I'm not sure I understand your attack on the newbie. His post says exactly what Richard Miniter said in his latest book, "Disinformation". Our Canadian border is a much bigger Muslim threat than our Southern border (which is certainly a threat of a different kind.)


17 posted on 04/05/2006 12:52:34 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Gordongekko909

well right now they are much like Liberal Democrat Women.....don't want to repopulate,materlistic,and Anti-Western.


18 posted on 04/05/2006 12:53:03 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: headsonpikes

Hey, hey, come on now. Newbie != troll. We were all newbies once. Some of us were even n00bs. This dude apparently hasn't been watching Canadian politics very closely lately. Correct his misconceptions, don't beat him over the head with them. Honey versus vinegar and all that.


19 posted on 04/05/2006 12:53:06 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: finnigan2

Wake up Europe my arse....WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!


20 posted on 04/05/2006 12:54:12 PM PDT by wardaddy (If the GOP is so great, why do I feel so crappy, betrayed and surrounded by eunuchs?)
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To: tsmith130

Thanks tsmith..(brushing footprint on off my backside)


21 posted on 04/05/2006 12:54:35 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice

It's tough being new around here sometimes. Hang in there...it's still a great place!


22 posted on 04/05/2006 12:56:11 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Darth Malice

I say stick a gun in their hands and force them to fight for their future. We'll back them with airpower, kind of like the Iraqi Army. I don't know though...they may not want to be saved.


23 posted on 04/05/2006 12:57:29 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Illegal aliens don’t take jobs Americans won’t; they take wages Americans won’t)
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To: Darth Malice
Hmm, should've figured. There is nothing more pathetic than the boyfriend/husband of a leftist. See number 18.
24 posted on 04/05/2006 12:57:36 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: tsmith130

Thanks.....I simply wish and hope the West can be saved....its under assult from within and without.


25 posted on 04/05/2006 12:58:45 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice

All this talk about their low birth rates does not alter the fact that Europe is very crowded, in their view.


26 posted on 04/05/2006 1:00:16 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Gordongekko909

That is the problem with Europe.....will it be too late or will their hatred for us blind them.


27 posted on 04/05/2006 1:00:57 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice
All the best European males were killed off in WW2

Many died, too, in World War One.

I spent three years, complements of Uncle Sam, in England in the mid-80s. It used to amaze me how, in the square of most little towns and villages there would be a monument to the men of that town or village that died in The Great War. The names of the local fallen, as often as not, were inscribed somewhere on the monument. What was particularly stunning was the sheer number of those names, given the size of the town or village.

France, too, had amazing casualty rates in World War One. As did Germany.

28 posted on 04/05/2006 1:01:11 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: steel_resolve

I think that Ground forces will be needed....not enough young european males willing to fight and not enough even born.


29 posted on 04/05/2006 1:02:55 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: ClaireSolt

but they are all elderly....the muslims are out reproducing at an astonishing rates thanks to welfare....wonder when they do away with the host?


30 posted on 04/05/2006 1:05:11 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: surely_you_jest

and when you went to those towns did you notice the dearth of children ?


31 posted on 04/05/2006 1:06:18 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Gordongekko909

Read his profile. He's a troll.


32 posted on 04/05/2006 1:09:50 PM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: alarm rider

He believes that he is to the right of the Republicans currently in power. That isn't exactly an uncommon position around here.


33 posted on 04/05/2006 1:11:23 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: alarm rider

What is a troll?.....and I am sure I am not one :)


34 posted on 04/05/2006 1:12:06 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: alarm rider

How do you get that from his profile?


35 posted on 04/05/2006 1:15:34 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Darth Malice
Not so much. There were teens, and there were children in schools. The English did not take their children everywhere with them, as is common practice here in the states. This was twenty years ago, so I don't know what current practice may be.

I saw children, but I was dating the headmistress (effectively, a Principal) of a local public (a misnomer - actually this means private) school.

36 posted on 04/05/2006 1:15:36 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Gordongekko909
It's just a question of whether the people of Europe will get tired of the tar pit they're in before they drown in it.

Let's not pity nor condemn Europe because we have an ever growing tar pit and growing civil unrest that unless rectified will swallow us whole.

Europe has gone through many upheavals throughout history and are more inclined to survive while we as nation have had only one major internal conflict (Civil War) but the make up of our nation is so much more diverse now and being pulled apart by a variety of foreign allegiances that when the sh*t hits the fan, we are liable to splinter in so many pieces that it will not be possible to reassemble one viable union spanning the continent.

We as a nation lack the maturity of the ages. We even lack the wisdom in electing true world class statesmen to lead our country.

37 posted on 04/05/2006 1:16:10 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: tsmith130

Profile, FR homepage, whatever.

It says he is an AF veteran "heartsick" about how the Republicans are letting down the conservative movement.

Yeah, right.


38 posted on 04/05/2006 1:18:35 PM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: surely_you_jest

Iwas there in the nineties thanks to the Air Force and it reminded me of one big nursing home


39 posted on 04/05/2006 1:19:17 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice
Where were you stationed?

I did RAF Chicksands and RAF Alconbury.

40 posted on 04/05/2006 1:21:31 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: alarm rider

Yes it does make me ill how liberal GW and the Republicans have become.....I just want a powerful defence,good judges ,and secure borders.....does that make me a troll??? Is it too much to expect from the Reps ?


41 posted on 04/05/2006 1:22:10 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: alarm rider; Gordongekko909

Yeah, right WHAT? Shall we as Jim Robinson to run a poll to see how many Freepers are currently disappointed in Republicans at the moment?! As Gordongekko909 said, not an uncommon position around here. Hold your fire, will ya.


42 posted on 04/05/2006 1:23:11 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: surely_you_jest

Fairford during the Gulf War....nice place....lotsa rabbits.


43 posted on 04/05/2006 1:23:57 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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I 'm sorry but Canada will easily be intimidated by their muslim population when it really grows unless they get their manhood back!

They are well on the way to doing that. They elected a conservative PM and have boots on the ground in Afghanistan.

They are just like the US. The cities are full of liberals, but out in the red provinces like Alberta there is a great host of hardened men who aren’t intimidated by anyone.

44 posted on 04/05/2006 1:24:34 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: Darth Malice

The Cotswolds are nice. But really quiet. I can understand why you would think of it as a retirement area. It is, in fact.


45 posted on 04/05/2006 1:25:36 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: usurper

Then I stand corrected.....What about Onterio? i know I misspelled it.


46 posted on 04/05/2006 1:26:42 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: Darth Malice
Internet troll defined. And there are plenty of people here arguing that you aren't one.
47 posted on 04/05/2006 1:27:16 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909
Honey versus vinegar and all that.

When someone attempts to put division and contempt between we Children of a Common Mother, I prefer boiling tar from the get-go.

It is my nature.

48 posted on 04/05/2006 1:27:23 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: surely_you_jest

What girls that were there were quite nice.


49 posted on 04/05/2006 1:27:58 PM PDT by Darth Malice
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To: finnigan2
Thank you thank you!

Both books are somewhat overwrought -- Berlinski dwells on her own relationship with some Muslim lad who later figured in Zadie Smith's hit novel White Teeth, and Bruce Bawer is reluctant to give up on the idea that a bisexual pothead hedonist utopia is a viable concept rather than, as it's proving in the Netherlands, a mere novelty interlude; his book might have been better called While Europe Slept Around.

LOL!

The only question about Europe is whether it's going to be (a) catastrophically bad or (b) apocalyptically bad, as in head for the hills, here come the Four Horsemen: Death (the self-extinction of European races too self-absorbed to breed), Famine (the withering of unaffordable social programs), War (civil strife as the disaffected decide to move beyond mere Citroën-torching), and Conquest (the inevitable victory of the Muslim successor population already in place). I'd say option (b) looks the better bet, for a few if not all Continental nations: united they'll fall, but divided, a handful might stand a chance.

The coming storm.....

50 posted on 04/05/2006 1:27:58 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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