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Find A Job And A Future In Britain, French Told
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-4-2006 | Colin Randall

Posted on 04/05/2006 6:31:44 PM PDT by blam

Find a job and a future in Britain, French told

By Colin Randall in Paris
(Filed: 06/04/2006)

As protesters throughout France continue their revolt against job law reform, the French author of a new guide to working in Britain says his country is in dire need of "our own Maggie Thatcher".

Vladimir Cordier, 30, an economics graduate, abandoned his native Normandy eight years ago for London after refusing to settle for what he saw as a hopeless future in France.

After finding work in a call centre, he changed jobs several times and now earns between £40,000 and £50,000 a year as a project manager with a firm providing technological services to lawyers.

His self-published book, Enfin un Boulot! (At last a job), advises young compatriots how to join the flood of French who have turned their backs on a stifling employment market at home in favour of "le modèle Anglo-Saxon".

"No French government wants to be honest with the people," Mr Cordier said. "But times are hard and what we need is something like our own Maggie Thatcher, if maybe not so tough.

"We cannot go on believing we can afford the social system we have, keeping people in universities until they leave with skills that are useless to the world outside."

Mr Cordier, from Rouen, decided to leave France after hearing a professor tell students to continue studying as long as possible because "there is no work for you".

"I was gobsmacked," he said. "After all that studying, he thought the best I could hope for was to end up as a cashier at the hypermarket, doing a job for which you needed no more than the GCSE equivalent."

His advice to French people following his example is to save enough to cover basic needs while looking for work and to avoid menial jobs in sandwich bars and pubs.

"It is better than nothing but a call centre job looks a lot better on the CV," he said. "I am living proof that it can be done because I arrived with very little and have done well.

"But I would not be considered qualified in France to do what I do in London. The best I could have hoped for would have been a little bank job earning half as much."

He said he was fed up with hearing the French moan about British "invaders" forcing up house prices. He said: "There are 174,000 Britons who live permanently in France - but 300,000 French people who have moved to the United Kingdom."

Mr Cordier's Parisian girlfriend, Anne-Sophie Cavil, 31, overcame initial reluctance to join him in London and works as a marketing manager in telecommunications.

"It can be difficult to make English friends because the way we think is so different," he said. "Health and public transport systems are not as good but we love our life here: the open-mindedness that allows everyone from the boss to the cleaner to have a drink together after work."

He said the law that has provoked weeks of unrest in France could have been useful in fighting unemployment but had been presented badly.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britain; find; french; future; job; told

1 posted on 04/05/2006 6:31:46 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I want to stock vending machines in Great Britain.


2 posted on 04/05/2006 6:36:17 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Need a tree census in Maine)
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To: blam

People like that could save their home country from the brink.


3 posted on 04/05/2006 6:36:44 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2
Which is why I am against All ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
It is a mistake to assume the vast numbers of "undocumented illegals" do not include the French.
4 posted on 04/05/2006 6:49:35 PM PDT by sarasmom (Care meter pegged solidly on 0.(Except when I decide to fracture what is left of my heart))
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To: blam

This headline reminds me of something a former West Virginia governor told residents who were complaining about unemployment: "Hit the Hillbilly Highway down to Carolina." He was referring to I-77, and a lot of them did just that.


5 posted on 04/05/2006 6:51:53 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: blam
"But times are hard and what we need is something like our own Maggie Thatcher, if maybe not so tough.

A perfect example of a guy who SHOULD understand the problem, but still, despite hating the system they have in France, doesn't get it.

6 posted on 04/05/2006 6:55:10 PM PDT by zoyd (I'm with the government. We're going to make you like your neighbor.)
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To: sarasmom
You kind of lost me there. If I make a wild guess at your reasoning, it's that the movers and shakers should stay in their country of origin so that enough of them will eventually change things for the better. Sounds nice, but sometimes the only way you can change things is by "voting with your feet". Tell a doctor in a place like Belarus, much less 1970's Cambodia to stick around and vote the idiots in power out. You're against ILLEGAL immigration? Swell, then change the law! As for your last sentence, perhaps you can make some sense out of it.
7 posted on 04/05/2006 7:07:32 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2
My last sentence is clear, I do not care for the French.
I don't know of anyone outside of France and certain areas of Canada, and select African and Arab dictators who do harbor any affection for them.
That is my personal and educated opinion.

In case you are lost in the internet, this is a USA based website.
Read the homepage.
French socialism fails, so the indigenous educated socialist French population decide to leave France and try again elsewhere?
Europe is doomed.
8 posted on 04/05/2006 7:19:37 PM PDT by sarasmom (Care meter pegged solidly on 0.(Except when I decide to fracture what is left of my heart))
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To: dr_who_2

Re your logic that the best and brightest should leave their countries if conditions don't improve: I suggest two points, 1) you fail to take into account these people's fondness for their homeland; and 2) the English are, and have been, inundated with foreigners looking to take advantage of their successful business climate. They've had to put up with a great deal of enforced change to their lifestyles due to the influx of jobseekers; as an anglophile, I sympathize and think that people should stay out of Britain unless they truly want to be there. After all, it's a small island, not a massive country like America.


9 posted on 04/05/2006 7:24:14 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: sarasmom
That is my personal and educated opinion.

I always thought the French were unique in being arrogant with out any justification whatsoever.
10 posted on 04/05/2006 7:24:45 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
I sympathize and think that people should stay out of Britain unless they truly want to be there. After all, it's a small island, not a massive country like America.

I'm sure foreigners choose the most dangerous ways to smuggle themselves into a country just for the hell of it.
11 posted on 04/05/2006 7:28:29 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2

LOL, you forgot your sarcasm tag.

But this discussion isn't about foreigners smuggling themselves; it's about the French looking at Britain as a way to deal with their unemployment woes. Not a good idea, for the best-and-brightest nor anyone else.


12 posted on 04/05/2006 7:47:15 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe

If it's the best option for them, it's a good idea.


13 posted on 04/05/2006 7:51:45 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2

For them individually, possibly. You know, they might bitterly regret leaving La Belle France for the damp and drizzle of ingleterre.


14 posted on 04/05/2006 7:56:17 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe

Individually...you mean people ought to be allowed to live where they want to live, work where they want to work, etc? Imagine that.


15 posted on 04/05/2006 8:01:28 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2
So you require me to enumerate the reasons for my disdain for the French?
LOL!
Some cliched prejudices no longer need justification.
But to humor you, for myself, it all began while serving in a NATO facility, observing Frenchmen, and after having traveled in France, and becoming acquainted with actual citizens of France, over twenty years ago.
All that desperately wanted to leave French lunacy, left decades ago.
Those who stayed, and their progeny, must now deal with the results of their own creation, and if a universal quarantine is required, oh well!
16 posted on 04/05/2006 8:06:04 PM PDT by sarasmom (Care meter pegged solidly on 0.(Except when I decide to fracture what is left of my heart))
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To: sarasmom

No, I require you to take your educated rants somewhere else.


17 posted on 04/05/2006 8:09:32 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2

Sarcasm tag!

Americans are not allowed to work in either France nor Britain, unless they have an almost-impossible-to-get work permit. It has to be a job that no English (or French) person could reasonably do. And this has been in effect since the early 70s. Yes, I think people should be able to work where they want and live where they want. They can't.


18 posted on 04/05/2006 8:10:48 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
Yup.

Sarcasm tag!

You're it.
19 posted on 04/05/2006 8:15:26 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: sarasmom

"...it all began while serving in a NATO facility, observing Frenchmen, and after having traveled in France, and becoming acquainted with actual citizens of France, over twenty years ago."

This sounds very interesting. I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate? Your last paragraph is intriguing. Can you tell me how the French arrived at the mess they're in now?


20 posted on 04/05/2006 11:27:00 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: dr_who_2

You DO enjoy the last word, n'cest pas?


21 posted on 04/06/2006 4:08:04 AM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe


22 posted on 04/06/2006 8:24:02 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
I can offer no reasons as to why the French became who they are.
As for my "intriguing paragraph":
All active joint military operational NATO facilities were required to "sanitize" the operational environment, if any of the "French Observers" were present.
Much as one would expect any military force to do for any civilian tour group.
France is not now a full NATO military partner, they never have been, and they never will be.
We, the USA, Brits, Germans, etc did enjoy watching them man their spurious token attendance in the sealed gallery observation areas, at various NATO peacetime operational command posts, as we knew their normal lunch was interrupted, in order to put in the bi-weekly requirement, as they pretended they were actually semi-allies, and we pretended to believe them!
LOL!
When the "French" were announced to be "in the house", everyone who could break away from their duties, came to gawk and silently laugh at them.
If nothing else(and there was nothing else) detesting the French united the non-political military members of NATO.
23 posted on 04/07/2006 6:54:53 PM PDT by sarasmom (Care meter pegged solidly on 0.(Except when I decide to fracture what is left of my heart))
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To: dr_who_2

Your requirements will not be met.
As an alternative, my I suggest the delivery of a MOAB?


24 posted on 04/07/2006 8:10:19 PM PDT by sarasmom (Care meter pegged solidly on 0.(Except when I decide to fracture what is left of my heart))
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