Posted on 04/05/2006 11:00:37 PM PDT by dervish
The more acrimonious the immigration debate grows, the more we wish that President Bush would talk about America's population shortage. We're all for enforcing the law, but let's skip for a moment the question of whether people got here legally or illegally or are native born. The broader point that needs to be made is that people are good - life is good - for America and for any nation. This point is understood at almost every level by our religious leaders. It has been pressed with particular clarity, though by no means exclusively, by the members of the Council of Torah Sages and the theologians of the Catholic Church. It has not, however, been pressed with any clarity by our political leaders.
On the contrary, one of things that makes the current debate so bitter is the failure of our leadership to confront ideologies hostile to population growth, no matter what its source. Some are economic theorists, such as the Malthusians. Some are movements such as Zero Population Growth. Some mix xenophobia and environmentalism, like the Sierra Club. There are the birth control and abortion movements, and all the left-wing economists focused not on growing the pie but dividing it. Then there are the racists, who are either hostile to blacks or Hispanics or Asians or Arabs or Jews or other minorities. The wonderful thing about the understanding of life that has been given to us from Sinai is that it trumps every one of these points of view and holds out a hopeful, unifying vision.
We are not, after all, so very far from the day when the world could be facing a dwindling population...
(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...
Moonbat liberal rag.
Thank You, I like to see that statement in print. I love to confound both abortionists and enviro-whackos by standing firm in my belief that HUMANS ARE EARTHS GREATEST NATURAL RESOURCE.
Personally I think a million people in Montana is way more than enough.
Is the Sun getting uppity? This is the first time I've seen registration required for 30 days free.
"unifying vision."
Guy must be high on something to believe this sh*t.
"The broader point that needs to be made is that people are good - life is good - for America and for any nation."
The 9/11 terrorist thugs:
1.were no good people.
2.took their own lives and the lives of 3000 innocents.
3.were neither good for America nor for the rest of the world.
I wonder who the author of this liberal, trashy piece could be. Why was it conveniently omitted?
The claim that we do now, or will in the future have a 'Population Shortage' is just as lame as those who claim we're 'Overpopulated'. Population simply is what it is.
This nation gained its place in the world through technological advantage, manufacturing prowess, and mineral resources; not by having the largest population (far from it, in fact).
If a humongous population were such a positive for a society, those with the largest populations (mainly those in the Far East) would have developed quicker, and not more slowly than the nations of the Western World.
What whacko world are you living in? The US is FAR too overpopulated, 20 percent of the growing prison population consists of illegal aliens, many of whom are there for smuggling meth into the country (yes it is cooked here too) and quality of life is going DOWN THE TUBES. Or maybe you'd like your town to look like Mexico City or Beijing?
I smell ozone
ITBZ
lol! I have to go to bed...will leave you to deal.
ITBZ=IBTZ
I agree. Something should be done about you.
Population is important to some degree. It is important that population continue to grow, if only slowly. For our social systems to survive and for economic growth to continue, we're going to have to remain at or just above replacement levels. Europe, as you all well know, is on a death spiral with their low birth rates.
Outside of that, I think we've reached the point where it doesn't really matter what number is attained anymore.
...good post!
Sadly, I've seen a few Republicans along with Democrats who were obsessed with environmental and animal issues at land use meetings in various counties and states. They complained against others' property rights and about "overpopulation" in areas with very few people per thousand square miles. They ranted, raved and threatened to sue healthier families--their neighbors.
I'm really ashamed of my Baby Boomer generation--selfish, vain, spoiled rotten, sexually confused,...
Cheers!
If we repealed feminist laws and ended family breaking social programs, our employers and political leaders wouldn't be so far to the left as to bring in so many foreign nationals. If we had enough kids to keep our country populated, we wouldn't need such large numbers of immigrants to keep our economy going. In fact, if more of us were more morally conservative, our immigration policies would be more for keeping families together and not so much for the purpose of flooding our labor pool.
What does ITBZ mean. I think it's about a troll? thanks
Forgetting, of course, that we are not anti-immigrant; we're anti-ILLEGAL immigrant.
In Before The Zot ("Zot" being the elimination of a troll).
Population tends to self-correct, to some degree. Post WWI & WWII there were 'baby-booms'. I'm less of the opinion that this is amorously generated by young ladies giving a 'gift' to a soldier, and view it as a self-correction of the growth cycle within a society.
Europe has clearly shown that wanton immigration policies are no more desirable than a shrinking population. A society is a people with a common culture. A nation is a society with borders. Our current immigration crisis is the result of two societies attempting to share the same borders. Two societies attempting to share a common border normally results in Civil War. Doesn't work out so hot... historically speaking. Multiculturalism is anathema to unity.
Well he does but your rag doesn't like to discuss abortion except to sanction more of it. That is the reason there is a labor shortage, if there really is one. You claim a labor shortage to support illegal immigration. If there really is a labor shortage why is it just now that your rag brings it up? No foresight for your rag? Guess not. Killing the future workers of this nation has been going on now for 34 years. Isn't it time to get your head out of, well you know.
Thank you..
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Sorry about the double post, still fairly new here. I was laughing at the pictures, good one pcottraux.
Its funny that you are being called a troll. Actually I think the article got great merit.
For clarification:
I believe that the 'baby booms' were society's way of replacing a shortfall. I'd be interested to see what birth-rates were following the Civil War and American Revolution, as well. I also feel that falling birth-rates within a society are organic, and should not be viewed as 'bad' or 'good'. They seem to be a fairly natural ocurrence in developed nations.
Human beings, IMHO, should never be thought of in terms of 'breeding stock' for industry. Down that path lies slavery. We are God's supreme creation. Business exists as a means for our well-being, not vice-versa.
We're not calling dervish a troll. We're calling CONDONOVICH one (see post 9).
Previous comment was meant for you.
Let's see, you just registered today, and this is your first post?
Okay, I might be more forgiven than some here since I don't see anything 'too' bad but, just in case, IBTZ!
The Sun is a new Right-Wing broadsheet published in NYC. They are anti-abortion, pro-war, anti-islam, pro-Israel, pro-capitalist, pro-Judeo/Christian culture.
I could go on but, will you get the point if I do?
You are probably mistaking the Sun for the Times.
Work on your reading comprehension skills.
AV
Aroostook Beauty.com
One drive through Atlanta on any weekday would cure anybody of the thought that there aren't enough people in the US.
Its right about population being one of the keys to a healthy economy. But it is only one - otherwise Mexico would be a superpower. You need a low corruption index, property rights and the rule of law. One might add "universal suffrage" but its not as important as the others as far as economy goes. In modern times we see that we also need to add "low taxes" to the list
Britain became a superpower in the 19th C due to beating childhood mortality, having a low business start-up time (a factor of the corruption index), solid property rights and a solid equitable legal system - all at the same time. (Taxes were also low by modern standards, but they were low globally - no country had a welfare state to support).
With modern communications America has gone one better by adding another factor - it is one of the safest sinks of global capital. No-one likes investing heavily in Venezuela, Cuba or Zimbabwe - or France I might add - because they don't want to be held hostage to confiscatory socialist regimes. But America remains attractive as an opportunity zone for capital
America will lose out if it grants amnesty to vast masses of people who refuse to assimilate to American economic culture.
We don't need to import more people; we just need to restructure the tax code and give a generous exemption to those with kids.
Great post, well said. Don't let the knee-jerkers get to you.
Lets see, so we abort millions of babies thereby reducing the population but allow millions of illegals citizenship to make up for the population loss.
Yep I believe this is called the European Union Syndrome or the French Benefits Program.
Murder millions of your own and then bring in millions of potential radicals to do the dirty work.
Problem is the immigrants don't assimilate and eventually turn on their new masters.
Not even close, fly over the USA look at the middle. It's EMPTY out there. Now fly over Europe or China, THAT's crowded.
Illegal aliens certainly need to go, but it's not from an overpopulation issue.
The article made that point. From the ending:
"It may be that waves of immigration can cause dislocations and that illegal immigration can undermine the respect for law. There is no doubt that a president's premier constitutional obligation is to faithfully executive America laws. But a halt to population growth would be a catastrophe for any nation, including America. This would be a good moment for Mr. Bush to seize for the Republicans the idea that population is good and America needs more."
"Well he does but your rag doesn't like to discuss abortion except to sanction more of it."
My "rag" is a conservative daily. Not many of those, and I am lucky to have it. And it clearly is taking an anti-abortion stand here.
Okay, I digress. However, if this newspaper is anti-abortion why does it not even mention that if there really is a labor shortage that it is because of abortion and not because there are less births?
Check my post #44. Could you please state how this article leads to an anti-abortion stance?
"Could you please state how this article leads to an anti-abortion stance?"
Yes.
From the second paragraph I posted:
"There are the birth control and abortion movements, and all the left-wing economists focused not on growing the pie but dividing it."
and
from the end of the article (not posted)
"The Review did not object to family planning by individuals acting of their own volition. But the Review, issued on a continent where abortions were sometimes forced as a matter of state policy, did object to the United Nations exhorting people to "limit their children on the basis of a false assumption" that "more children thwart a nation's development, that catastrophe lurks just around the corner."
also the whole tenor of the article is pro-life in the broadest meaning of the expression - describing the Judeo-Christian attitude that life is a blessing.
I'm no friend to liberal whackjob theorists ... but there are reoccuring conversations around the Human Resources gatherings nationwide. Those little coffee clutch chats are all about the shrinking U.S. workforce.....especially the ages 18-30.
I recently heard one viable theory that claim we are now experiencing the results of the "Abortion Generation". Meaning.....in the 70's and 80's we drastically reduced our workforce by abortion. Millions of potential employees ended up in medical facility trash cans.
Sounded viable to me anyway.
Ok, I'll try. These quotes are from the first two paragraphs of the article:
"The broader point that needs to be made is that people are good - life is good - for America and for any nation. This point is understood at almost every level by our religious leaders. It has been pressed with particular clarity, though by no means exclusively, by the members of the Council of Torah Sages and the theologians of the Catholic Church. It has not, however, been pressed with any clarity by our political leaders. On the contrary, one of things that makes the current debate so bitter is the failure of our leadership to confront ideologies hostile to population growth, no matter what its source. Some are economic theorists, such as the Malthusians. Some are movements such as Zero Population Growth. Some mix xenophobia and environmentalism, like the Sierra Club. There are the birth control and abortion movements, and all the left-wing economists focused not on growing the pie but dividing it. Then there are the racists, who are either hostile to blacks or Hispanics or Asians or Arabs or Jews or other minorities. The wonderful thing about the understanding of life that has been given to us from Sinai is that it trumps every one of these points of view and holds out a hopeful, unifying vision.
You can read a very pro-life message in this article.
I hope I've helped.
AV
All that and nothing pointing to the real reason for the so called labor shortage. Abortion.
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