Message from a Time Traveler

Very interesting.

The further I got into reading it, I imagined it was being spoke by the weird professor geek Arnold Mayer from the movie millenium. I love sci-fi...

Bu-u-u-u-ut John Titor never said anything about it!

I have yet to encounter anyone who's spent time in Afghanistan or Iraq who shares this bizarre viewpoint.

I sure don't. In fact, I find people who have views like that to be narrow-minded and sort of scary.

I'm not of the eradication line of thought.
I'm of the Teddy Roosevelt line of thought: speak softly, but carry a big stick (i.e. You mess with me, it's gonna hurt ).

ISLAM was hijacked by... MUHAMMAD!
MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:
KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF DUTCH FILM MAKER THEO van GOGH:
Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES TO BE KILLED BY UNSPECIFIED BELIEVERS:
This type of instruction throughout the Koran is the source of autonomous "radicalism".
KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):
KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:
KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:
KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN (Shakir translation): http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Mat 7:1-2)

ISLAM DELENDA EST!

TWO NUKES *CAN* DESTROY ISLAM
And why it is those who say it is a bad idea who are the protectors of Islamic terrorists and not their non-existent moon-god:

If MECCA and MEDINA are destroyed then Muhammad is a liar!

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca, the Kaaba] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:103] Narrated Abu Bakra:
The Prophet said, "The terror caused by Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter Medina and at that time Medina will have seven gates and there will be two angels at each gate guarding them."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:104] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "There are angels guarding the entrances (or roads) of Medina, neither plague nor Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will be able to enter it."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [3:30:105] Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "There will be no town which Ad-Dajjal [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] will not enter except Mecca and Medina, and there will be no entrance (road) (of both Mecca and Medina) but the angels will be standing in rows guarding it against him, and then Medina will shake with its inhabitants thrice (i.e. three earth-quakes will take place) and Allah will expel all the nonbelievers and the hypocrites from it."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:7032] Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) [the Muslim "Anti-Christ"] would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him.

If there is any FReeper that can figure out the three words, it would be KP.

"You'll shoot yer eye out kid."

"Three words that any Replayer or time traveler visiting here from a century or more from now would react to first and most emotionally... I"

This would get the reaction described above.
"Islam means Peace"

But our enemy is not all of Islam, but a small part of it.

In this, you are incorrect - and provide us with precisely what Simmons referred to: our inability to come to grips with what we regard as the unthinkable.

Ideas have consequences. The idea of Islam, the meme that it represents is vile and murderous beyond belief. And that is why it must be utterly and completely destroyed.

Do you doubt that, given the opportunity and the means, that the adherents of Islam would see the West destroyed and its survivors enslaved under dhimmitude?

The lessons of history are there for us to see. If only we chose to.

"Three words that any Replayer or time traveler visiting here from a century or more from now would react to first and most emotionally... I"

This would get the reaction described above.
"Islam means Peace"

New York City

Islam is no where near uniting, who or which country will they unite under. Which Islamic movement is strong enough to unite the Islamic people.
This shows your profound ignorance of Islam. The Umma. Nothing, as we are living it currently, is as powerful as the muslim collective: dar al Islam. They have had 1400+ years to fine tune their various means of "submission".

Military they are negligible.
The present manifestation of islam is covert and very effective. Asymmetric warfare is not that difficult a concept to understand. They bleed their victims into submission, or they subvert ideals into "religion" to achieve the same goal as warfare began (i.e. Afghanistan).

Even when united well armed with Soviet Equipment, advantage in numbers and surprise Israel beat them time and time again.
Discussing present day islam and conventional warfare is a waste of time.

They can only strike back with terrorist attacks and most of those are ineffectual.
Their victims, in Bali, the U.S., London, Madrid and Baghdad may take issue with that throw-away line. I certainly do, even in the warm safety of my "library".

The out breeding us in our own country.
A very effective "non-soviet" weapon, wouldn't you say?

Most of there youth is dissatisfied interested in the trappings of wealth, most are talkers few are walkers.
The huge, easily organized "demonstrations" in all muslim countries, and in our largest Western cities, puts the lie to that silly implication...

There Active Service Units are unprofessional badly organised, in Europe we have been quietly dismantling there organizations, breaking there bank accounts.
As long as the killing, going on daily, never stops, all that is academic. Let's interview the victims...

In fact targeting Islamic extremists has become the number one priority of the European intelligence services.
Hell even on here you post threads about networks being uncovered and arrested.
Still missing the point are we? They should be executed, not arrested. Catch-and-release never works with vermin. What part of "ruthlessness" as a weapon evades you?

In Iraq you post threads about Iraq tribes turning and arresting or killing foreign Arabic fighters.
Sporadically, and not nearly as fast as they are being replenished. Recruitment is ongoing in Europe and America as we argue...

Why are we determined to see it as black black.
Because sometimes, black is black.

re :I have yet to encounter anyone who's spent time in Afghanistan or Iraq who shares this bizarre viewpoint.

Snap.

The Islamphobes almost have the same immediate goal as those on the left they want to see a defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan the left because they well know idea what really motivates there self destruct the Islamicphobes so that then they can say believe us now, its total war with all it entails.

re :There is no reason to be private, as it is a current debate.

The chap I replied to is still serving and did not want his views to be public.

Nah, caps for emphasis, not anger...

Sorry for the confusion...I was citing an obscure riddle that has been around the 'net almost as long as Algore. Sorta like the All Your Base in-joke, but much older. The version to which I referred is thus:

Think of words ending in -GRY. "Angry" and "hungry" are two of them. There are only three words in "the English language." What is the third word? The word is something that everyone uses every day. If you have listened carefully, I have already told you what it is.

Sorry...guess you just had to be there.... ;-)

You've left little unsaid. The sad fact is that our ignorance of history and our refusal to confront Islam and deal with it will be our fate.

Thanks.

Very sobering.

ahh......I see...Thanks..(my apologies)