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Traitor or ally: gospel sheds new light on Judas (New ancient manuscript found)
AFP via Yahoo ^ | Apr 6, 2006 | AFP

Posted on 04/06/2006 12:41:01 PM PDT by Justice

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Lost for almost 1,700 years, a manuscript entitled "Gospel of Judas" is putting a new spin on the case of the biblical bad guy, maintaining that Jesus actually asked disciple Judas to betray him.

The third- or fourth-century ancient Coptic manuscript -- authenticated, translated and displayed Thursday at National Geographic headquarters here -- paints a different picture of Judas and Jesus.

The papyrus manuscript known as a codex maintains, as the bible does not, that Jesus requested that Judas "betray" him by handing him to authorities, something it says pained Judas greatly.

"The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature on five fronts: radiocarbon dating, ink analysis, multispectral imaging, contextual evidence and paleographic evidence," said Terry Garcia, executive vice president for Mission Programs for the National Geographic Society.

"This dramatic discovery of an ancient non-biblical text -- considered by some to be the most significant in the past 60 years -- enhances our knowledge of the history and theological viewpoints of the early Christian period, and is worthy of study by historians, scholars and theologians," Garcia said.

"This process will take time and ongoing dialogue which has just begun."

The leather-bound papyrus text believed to have been copied down around 300 AD was located in the 1970s in the desert near El Minya, Egypt. It then moved among antiquities traders from Egypt to Europe and the United States.

It was purchased by Zurich-based antiquities dealer Frieda Nussberger-Tchacos in 2000, and now was to be returned to Egypt and housed at Cairo's Coptic Museum.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ancient; belongsinreligion; elainepagels; epigraphyandlanguage; gnosticgospels; gnosticism; godsgravesglyphs; gospel; gospelofjudas; judas; judasiscariot; letshavejerusalem; manuscript; nashpapyrus; oldnews
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To: Justice
It was found in 1970. Even to my semi-educated, math resistant mind, that's hardly new! Oh, and look into Gnostics and their politics.
21 posted on 04/06/2006 12:53:30 PM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves!)
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To: blu

Newly come to light then. Happy now?


22 posted on 04/06/2006 12:54:35 PM PDT by Justice
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To: blu
look into Gnostics and their politics.

I see that's already been done, shoulda known!

23 posted on 04/06/2006 12:55:25 PM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves!)
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To: fireforeffect
The Gospel of Judas: I wuz framed!
24 posted on 04/06/2006 12:55:34 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: fireforeffect
The Gospel of Judas: I wuz framed!
25 posted on 04/06/2006 12:55:34 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: fireforeffect

In John, Jesus tells Judas "Go and do what plan to do". I thin the writer mistakes this command for permission.


26 posted on 04/06/2006 12:55:45 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Justice

Gnosticism was certainly not Christian but I'm not surprised National Geographic might claim it is. It's certainly not the organization it used to be.

For a better perspective -
The "Gospel of Judas"
Interview With Father Thomas Williams, Theology Dean
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1609947/posts


27 posted on 04/06/2006 12:57:19 PM PDT by Varda
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To: nhoward14
Old news here.
28 posted on 04/06/2006 12:58:01 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Justice
Lost for almost 1,700 years, a manuscript entitled "Gospel of Judas" is putting a new spin on the case of the biblical bad guy, maintaining that Jesus actually asked disciple Judas to betray him.

Would seem Mr. Iscariot really didn't have a whole lot time to talk with reporters [scribes] between kissing and throwing money all over the floor?

29 posted on 04/06/2006 12:58:22 PM PDT by BikerGold
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To: null and void
null and void wrote: "IBTZ?"

Living up to your handle I see.

30 posted on 04/06/2006 12:59:09 PM PDT by Justice
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To: Justice

There is a longer article on this at a link on Lucianne.com

Hardly earthshaking. There are a whole host of 2nd and 3rd century forgeries offered up as authentic texts. (My favorite being the Book of Adam and Eve!) I suspect the Book of Judas is just a late arrival to the group. But that won't prevent liberal theology scholars for propounding one ridiculous theory or another. That's hardly surprising as well.


31 posted on 04/06/2006 1:00:07 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: Justice

Wow. I guess Sid Blumenthal used to work for Judas, too.


32 posted on 04/06/2006 1:00:54 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Justice

> authenticated, translated and displayed Thursday at National
> Geographic headquarters here

Authenticated by a bunch of evolutionists. No bias here ...


33 posted on 04/06/2006 1:02:04 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution ... only for a moral and religious people... -- John Adams, October 11, 1798)
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To: Justice
From the article...

"The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature on five fronts: radiocarbon dating, ink analysis, multispectral imaging, contextual evidence and paleographic evidence," said Terry Garcia, executive vice president for Mission Programs for the National Geographic Society..

Yep...right there it is. The National Geographic Society.

I'm not taking a stab at you. I'm taking a stab at National Geographic. They've been at the forefront of pushing evolutionism for years. Now suddenly, they seem to have become Bible experts?! ...or rather experts on those works that were deemed not to be God inspired.

This is a bit like rotating out Israeli Supreme Court Justices with Islamic terrorists, and then being good with their verdicts.
34 posted on 04/06/2006 1:02:22 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: fireforeffect

Didn't Judas commit suicide shortly after Jesus' death? Did he have time to write a Gospel?


35 posted on 04/06/2006 1:03:28 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: Justice

Perhaps. See my profile.

I take it you've lurked a while, or are a retread based on your even knowing what IBTZ means.

Your profile doesn't say one way or the other.


36 posted on 04/06/2006 1:03:29 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: dinasour
Justice Since Apr 7, 1998 No zot, No peace.

Yes .. hey newbie. Tomorrow is my 8 year anniversary in FR.

37 posted on 04/06/2006 1:03:39 PM PDT by Justice
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To: ROTB

#34 :-)


38 posted on 04/06/2006 1:05:34 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Justice

Too many "zot happy" Freepers. :-)


39 posted on 04/06/2006 1:07:31 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand

This could be interesting it this book has not been altered like all of the rest of the Bibble in the early 300's by the church.


40 posted on 04/06/2006 1:08:39 PM PDT by zipp_city
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