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Hidden Bombs (Extremely Important Article on Immigration)
New York Post ^ | 4/7/2006 | Kris Kobach

Posted on 04/07/2006 5:19:38 AM PDT by GarySpFc

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To: GarySpFc

Senate voting now on Hagel/Martinez Amendment

CSPAN 2

Mr. Martinez voted NO ---- and it is his amendment.


51 posted on 04/07/2006 7:02:16 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Please keep us posted on the votes.


52 posted on 04/07/2006 7:05:33 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: stopem
"Of 94 alien terrorists in the United States, she found that 59 were successful immigration frauds. That includes six of the 9/11 hijackers."

Multiply that by the factor of unknown alien terrorists, that are really here, fruaudulently or not. Ninety-four is unrealistic, considering the aggregate of the hives.

53 posted on 04/07/2006 7:05:53 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: TomGuy

Mr. Hagel votes NO.


54 posted on 04/07/2006 7:06:12 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Mo1

Un-FReaking-believable ....!


55 posted on 04/07/2006 7:08:06 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author:)
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To: TomGuy

Suspicious, it would seem to me that if they are voting no then something much more liberal than what they have in their amendment is in the compromise.


56 posted on 04/07/2006 7:08:41 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: TomGuy

Hagel voted no on cloture of his own bill?


57 posted on 04/07/2006 7:08:57 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: leenie312

Leenie, clue us in! Are anchor babies NOT citizens?? thought I knew the Constitution.


58 posted on 04/07/2006 7:09:26 AM PDT by texaslil (and)
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To: GarySpFc

Bumpin' the hell outta this one.


59 posted on 04/07/2006 7:15:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Pain is nothing. Pain is weakness leaving the body.)
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To: GarySpFc

That was apparently a cloture vote on the Hagel/Martinez amendment. It failed significantly.

Frist asks for a 10-minute vote on some other amendment. Bill #S2454. This is a procedural vote on Frist's border security bill.


60 posted on 04/07/2006 7:17:58 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
That was apparently a cloture vote on the Hagel/Martinez amendment. It failed significantly.

No, this is the bill. I met with Kris Kobach Wednesday night, and knew this was coming.
61 posted on 04/07/2006 7:25:01 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc
With a few exceptions, today's immigration judges (who serve for life) are dedicated to enforcing the law, and they do a difficult job well. This bill forces all immigration judges to step down after serving seven years - and restricts replacements to attorneys with at least five years' experience practicing immigration law

This is HUGE.

62 posted on 04/07/2006 7:27:21 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: GarySpFc

bump!


63 posted on 04/07/2006 7:55:00 AM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: Centurion2000

Bump.


64 posted on 04/07/2006 8:11:09 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: GarySpFc; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; antisocial; archy; backhoe; Badray; Bernard Marx; B4Ranch; ..

Treason Alert! Ping your lists!


65 posted on 04/07/2006 8:12:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Very important.
Thank you for the ping.


66 posted on 04/07/2006 8:14:43 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Travis McGee; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; ...
Treason Alert! Ping your lists!

done

67 posted on 04/07/2006 8:14:58 AM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: Travis McGee
Hi, Travis......someone told me you got banned! Glad to see the news was premature!
68 posted on 04/07/2006 8:17:18 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: HiJinx

ping


69 posted on 04/07/2006 8:18:43 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: texaslil

I read these articles posted here a couple of days ago that really opened my eyes to what the 14th amendment means...very interesting...let me know what you think after you read them...


http://federalistblog.us/2005/12/birthright_citizenship_fable.html


http://idexer.com/citizenship.htm


http://federalistblog.us/mt/articles/14th_dummy_guide.htm


70 posted on 04/07/2006 8:21:03 AM PDT by leenie312
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To: GarySpFc

I just called Senator George Allen's office to make his staff aware of this article.


71 posted on 04/07/2006 8:21:12 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: eeevil conservative; GarySpFc
I am thrilled that you posted this article-- THANKS!

Concurring bump -- thanks, Gary!

72 posted on 04/07/2006 8:25:34 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: GarySpFc

Great Job Gary! Keep it up! ;^)


73 posted on 04/07/2006 8:28:33 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: GarySpFc
You've gotta be friggin' kidding me....

Traitors... The lot of them...

74 posted on 04/07/2006 8:28:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: GarySpFc
Like that surprise hidden on page 302 - which would replace the country's entire bench of experienced immigration judges with pro-immigration advocates.

Anyone figure out who put that in the bill, yet?

Personal guess: Durbin the Turban.

75 posted on 04/07/2006 8:29:28 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: GarySpFc; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...


Poison Pill Ping!

Thanks for the heads-up, Gary. Good find, good post. Very bad provision....

76 posted on 04/07/2006 8:29:28 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: Bikers4Bush

"I used to just think that a large portion of GOP senators were just arrogant. That something like this got so close to a vote leads me to believe that they may be mentally deficient as well.

I cannot possibly fathom how any of them cannot see the writing on the wall should they pass legislation with these types of provisions."


Well said, bears repeating.


77 posted on 04/07/2006 8:36:09 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: GarySpFc

"It gets worse. Immigration judges are now appointed by the attorney general - whose job it is to see to it that laws are enforced."

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Mr. Gonzales?????!!!


78 posted on 04/07/2006 8:44:27 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Republicans = Stupid

Democrats = Evil

We have Cheech and Chong and the Hell's Angels running Congress.


79 posted on 04/07/2006 8:47:31 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Travis McGee
Now, how many other "little" unnoticed things get stuck in 500 + page "bills" to support just one client. Er, lobbyist.

How come these giant bills never have a sneaky little provision that repeals the '86 machine gun ban, the '68 Gun Control Act or the '34 National Firearms Act? Or even the "sporting purposes" clause of the '68 GCA? It just isn't fair.

80 posted on 04/07/2006 8:51:27 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: ZULU

Imagine if Janet Reno would be the AG in control.


81 posted on 04/07/2006 8:52:18 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Travis McGee

E-mailed this to Tancredo this am


82 posted on 04/07/2006 8:52:37 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: GarySpFc

What a sneaky, underhanded stunt. This is going ASAP to my representatives.


83 posted on 04/07/2006 8:56:22 AM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: Travis McGee

BTTT!!!


84 posted on 04/07/2006 9:00:28 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: ZULU
Hell's Angels

Whatever the Hell's Angels are or aren't, I'm thinking they could come up with a better immigration bill than the Senate.
85 posted on 04/07/2006 9:04:41 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: GarySpFc

She was hardly ever even sober.

Gonzales is a catastrophy an dthi sprobably started under Reno, but Gonzales and Bush have made it even worse instead of standing up for America and American principles.


86 posted on 04/07/2006 9:14:48 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Old_Mil

Well, they'd probably at least charge them for coming over the border and blow them away if they didn't pay.


87 posted on 04/07/2006 9:16:06 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: maxter

The Senate needs to take up HR4437 that is waiting for them and quit writing their own pathetic legislation.


88 posted on 04/07/2006 9:31:32 AM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Stop the “No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act” – call/email/fax/write your Senators today!)
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To: GarySpFc

The more we crack down on illegal immigration, the less Mexicans in Mexico will cling to the Leftist frontrunner in this July's presidential elections who is suddenly in a statistical deadheat for the first time with right-leading Felipe Calderon. That Chavez-admiring Leftie had been ahead in the polls literally for years on promises of free money and threats of nationalization and such. Suddenly the immigration pressures have helped lead to a declining peso relative to the dollar, though, and voters (who know how much Mexico desperately needs the USA) are noticing growing U.S. disapproval for how Mexico's government still won't stand up to telecom monopoly magnate Carlos Slim (#3 on Forbes wealthiest list). Let's keep up the constructive pressure so that Mexicans who don't want to have to abandon Mexico can stay there (which most WANT to do anyway, to be with their families where they speak the same language and don't have to wash bathroom floors and pick pesticide-laden vegetables).

Meanwhile, don't we owe it to our American people struggling in Mexico who endure Mexico's shamelessly racist immigration restrictions to keep the pressure up and thereby empower reformers in Mexico in that way, too? Can you believe Mexico's hypocritically anti-gringo immigration laws which Rush Limbaugh now impressively and charismaticaly calls "Limbaugh's Laws" while saying we should try running the USA in a similar way to see what the reaction would be? Here they are:

http://www.directory.com.mx/immigration


89 posted on 04/07/2006 9:36:53 AM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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To: antceecee

Dream Act ping, post #9.


90 posted on 04/07/2006 9:55:33 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Is this a nation, or a halfway house for illegals ... ?)
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To: eeevil conservative

Good news, eeevil.

The Republican senators united in voting to not vote on the "compromise," which Sen. Sessions succeeded in revealing for the amnesty that it is.

Sen. Sessions deserves some congratulatory messages for his good work, ya think?


91 posted on 04/07/2006 10:00:19 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Is this a nation, or a halfway house for illegals ... ?)
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To: leenie312

I appreciate your post.


92 posted on 04/07/2006 10:03:24 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Is this a nation, or a halfway house for illegals ... ?)
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To: Mo1

Thanks for the ping Mo. I'm so glad this thing is just about dead. How can anyone pass a 500 page bill within 24 hours of it's writing I'll never know. Mark Levin has Sessions speech in full from yesterday.

Stunning facts about the proposed immigration bill

SENATOR SESSIONS ON SECURING AMERICA'S BORDERS ACT
http://levin.nationalreview.com/


93 posted on 04/07/2006 10:04:45 AM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: GarySpFc

Somebody needs to hang for this abomination...


94 posted on 04/07/2006 10:12:27 AM PDT by Gritty (Amnesty will change us from being a neighbor of Latin America to becoming a part of it-Diana West)
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To: Prince Charles

Sickening beyond belief. The Rats and RINOs who tried to pass off this crap should be horsewhipped."

Most of the repubs are complicit in this too.
If you don't know that already, you're naive.


95 posted on 04/07/2006 10:17:04 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: GarySpFc; antceecee; arasina; ARCADIA; Arizona Carolyn; B4Ranch; beaversmom; Bella_Bru; ...

Good work, Gary. Thanks for the ping, Travis.

Deadly liberal manipulation ping (short article)...


96 posted on 04/07/2006 10:17:38 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Is this a nation, or a halfway house for illegals ... ?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
And then, to make matters worse, the Democrats won't allow any amendments to the bill - so that everything in it has to stay as written.

That's why the "key test vote in the Senate" failed today.

The (R)'s finally got a spine and realized that passing this thing without attachments was the most dangerous thing that could happen.

But we aren't hearing why the vote failed. Apparently, the Republicans don't have THAT much spine.

97 posted on 04/07/2006 10:21:23 AM PDT by TruthNtegrity (What happened to "Able Danger" and any testimony by Col Schaffer?)
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To: GarySpFc

stellar


98 posted on 04/07/2006 10:21:43 AM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: Shuttle Shucker

Good post!

I listened to almost all of Rush's show two days ago, and he was magnificent on all of this. Hispanics are only 6% of voters, he said.


99 posted on 04/07/2006 10:22:07 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Is this a nation, or a halfway house for illegals ... ?)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thanks for the ping!


100 posted on 04/07/2006 10:23:27 AM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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