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1 posted on 04/07/2006 6:38:57 AM PDT by presidio9
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I read this story in this morning's paper, and it seems to be an item of historical interest, but not necessarily historical significance.

The article I read said that it appeared to be a hand-written copy of "an original", and may be of more use as a tool for decyphering ancient Coptic, but there was nothing about this document redefining, confirming, or disproving anything in the Holy Gospels.

Move along....


69 posted on 04/07/2006 7:54:54 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Hope Springs Eternal...)
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"Authentic fabrication"

:-)

Where can I buy a copy?

73 posted on 04/07/2006 7:59:58 AM PDT by manwiththehands (I will remember in November.)
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The Real Judas
83 posted on 04/07/2006 8:09:57 AM PDT by joesnuffy (This 'Guest Worker Program' Is To Border Security as 'Campaign Finance Reform' Is To Free Speech)
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Is this the Gospel where Jesus warns against global warming, and denounces Bush?


94 posted on 04/07/2006 8:31:26 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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Dan Rather stands by the authenticity of the non-authentic documents.


108 posted on 04/07/2006 9:35:14 AM PDT by jw777
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ping


112 posted on 04/07/2006 9:51:43 AM PDT by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K virus -only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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I used to love NG. But because of junk like this I let my subscription lapse a long time ago.
113 posted on 04/07/2006 9:56:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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From what I hear, the Gospel of Judas has much the same story as Jesus Christ Superstar.

Gnosticism means belief in "secret knowledge." It is belief in New Age / Spiritualism / Divination. The adherents succumb to the temptation that they themselves are Christs (not merely "little Christs," or "Christians), and that they can "channel" the truth.

It would be perfectly consistent for one of them to channel a Gospel, and claim that Judas was - through spiritual connection - the true author.

Hence, the good bishop of the early church who denounced this particular gnostic cult and their Gospel, circa 180 AD, was probably reacting to a roughly contemporaneous event; i.e., a 2nd century event.

As to what this says about the canon, this document is further evidence that the books of the New Testament predate 180 AD, and therefore probably, as claimed, late 1st century or, at the very latest, early 2nd century in origin.

Now, just as this manuscript was in Coptic, circa 3 or 400 AD, but originally written in Greek, circa 200 AD, so too are our earliest versions of the canon, which date from about 300 AD, copies and perhaps even translations into the Greek of earlier documents. I would venture to say that if the original documents, lost to us, were not written, as claimed, by the disciples of Jesus (including Paul, who was called by Jesus in a vision), they were written by others who directly heard from these guys.

My own belief is that they were actually written by the claimed authors, although perhaps edited by others in the early 2nd century. But, I'm no real expert in these matters, so why should that matter to anybody else.


122 posted on 04/07/2006 10:53:30 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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This amounts to saying that "The Gospel of Judas" is an authentic fabrication produced by a group of Gnostics in Egypt.

I just dug up a piece of papyrus in my backyard. It looks really old. I think it says I'm related to Queen Victoria.

Or maybe it says Queen Latifah. It's smudged.

127 posted on 04/07/2006 11:36:13 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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142 posted on 04/07/2006 8:08:34 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy, his son & nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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This amounts to saying that "The Gospel of Judas" is an authentic fabrication produced by a group of Gnostics in Egypt.

This is about what my reaction was to the first mention of this "authentic" document. That it may be authentically old (though centuries later than the time of the apostles) but that there were heretics back then, even in the time of Jesus, just as there are heretics now.

So, this "gospel" was written by some early best-selling novelist like the guy who wrote The DaVinci Code.

143 posted on 04/08/2006 8:29:56 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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This is worse than that whole Christ-was-walking-on-ice-on-the-Sea-of-Galilee thing!!


145 posted on 04/08/2006 9:08:56 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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The release says the document was "copied down in Coptic probably around A.D. 300,"

I'm so sick of this crap.

147 posted on 04/10/2006 8:29:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Judas Priest Hair Band BUMP!


151 posted on 04/10/2006 10:15:42 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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