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More Damning Documents On Saddam ~<b>Origins Of War:</b>~~ Why won't Washington get the word out?
Investors Business Daily ^ | 4/7/2006 | staff

Posted on 04/08/2006 12:51:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The latest in a stream of eye-opening Iraqi documents shows Saddam Hussein's regime was planning suicide attacks on U.S. interests six months before 9-11. Why won't Washington get the word out?

Last month the Pentagon began releasing records captured during Operation Iraqi Freedom. Among the documents is a letter dated March 11, 2001, written by Abdel Magid Hammod Ali, one of Saddam's air force generals.

According to an unofficial translation, Page 6 of the letter asks for "the names of those who desire to volunteer for suicide mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American interests."

Assuming the document's accuracy, this shows that Saddam's regime was not only providing aid and support for terrorist organizations of other countries. It was also planning its own bombings directed at U.S. facilities and personnel.

As counterterrorism consultant Dan Darling wrote last week on the Weekly Standard's Web site, that would mean Russian intelligence services under Vladimir Putin were better informed about Iraq's terrorist abilities than the U.S. spy community.

Though little noticed by the press, during a July 2004 visit to Kazakhstan the Russian president said that between 9-11 and the U.S. invasion of Iraq, "Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received . . . information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the U.S. and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations."

This new document, said Darling, "would seem to refute a long-standing contention among members of the U.S. intelligence community that Iraq ceased its involvement in international terrorism after its failed 1993 plot to assassinate former President George H.W. Bush." Darling cites former National Security Council official Richard Clarke's book "Against all Enemies," which contends that the NSC, the CIA and the FBI all agreed Iraq posed no terrorist threat to the U.S.

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Hat tip to Captains's Quarters....
1 posted on 04/08/2006 12:51:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: jveritas

Developing story ping


2 posted on 04/08/2006 12:55:51 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A nation that cannot or will not control its borders is not a nation at all)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

*bump*


3 posted on 04/08/2006 1:01:21 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The clueless still don't get it!


4 posted on 04/08/2006 1:01:37 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bookmark


5 posted on 04/08/2006 1:03:33 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: sirchtruth

I posted this on a professional discussion board. My reply from the lefties was, "Yeah, so. This isn't about WMD, and it's obvious Saddam Hussein posed no threat to our country."

You have to be in a complete state of denial. There is no other way.


6 posted on 04/08/2006 1:03:57 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: onyx; eyespysomething

Ping


7 posted on 04/08/2006 1:05:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Southack; Marine_Uncle; Rokke

Investors Business Daily is no Newsmax...they are read by the movers and shakers. If they are starting to ask questions then others soon will follow.


8 posted on 04/08/2006 1:06:19 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Even if SH came out now at his trial and said he had all the WMD's he needed and was going to use them on Iran, Israel and the USA, the MSM and Dummo-crats still would say Bush lied and now put SH up to saying that ....


9 posted on 04/08/2006 1:06:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: CheyennePress
I posted this on a professional discussion board. My reply from the lefties was, "Yeah, so. This isn't about WMD, and it's obvious Saddam Hussein posed no threat to our country."

Hate blinds a lot of people.

10 posted on 04/08/2006 1:07:33 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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To: thoughtomator
Developing story ping

Except to the lamestream media who would rather focus on Dingy Harry's complaining about the decision by the President to declassify information prior to the Iraq war. Jeezz.

11 posted on 04/08/2006 1:08:19 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; jveritas; eyespysomething
From the Captain's Quarters Blog:

April 08, 2006
IBD Decries 'Amateur' Effort On Saddam Translations

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An editorial in the Investors Business Daily scolded Congress and the White House for not putting more of an official effort into translating the tens of thousands of documents captured during the fall of Iraq in 2003. CQ reader Angry Dumbo points out one passage that stands out regarding the efforts made by the blogosphere (especially at Free Republic, which translated the document I posted earlier this week):

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At present, we're relying too much on translations by bloggers and other amateurs [emphasis mine -- CE]. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., says the White House has been dragging its feet for fear of embarrassing supposed allies (such as Russia) whose links with Saddam would come under scrutiny.

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I understand Angry Dumbo's irritation. It really does not matter whether amateurs or professionals translate these documents -- rather, the accuracy of the translation is all that we need to ensure. Bloggers have done this because the government simply didn't want to commit the resources necessary to do it. Rather than scold Rep. Hoekstra, IBD should congratulate him for getting someone engaged in determining the contents of this treasure trove of documentation.

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However, knowing the extent of IND's support of the blogosphere, this does not appear to be meant as an insult to bloggers. IBD wants to press the government to take responsibility for the evaluation of these documents rather than push it off to a community of volunteers. That's commendable; the government never should have let these sit for three years unexploited. We could have bridged a gap in our understanding of the war much earlier and avoided a lot of political infighting as a result.

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And Finally

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On the other hand, I'm not sure that I agree with IBD's overall assessment of this credibility gap between the volunteers and the professionals within the intelligence agencies. The administration has to deal with a high level of distrust, a lot of it irrational, that would make anything they produce suspect in most circles.

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And in CONCLUSION

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One argument that I received after posting the translation supplied by Laurie Mylroie was that because the translation came from Free Republic, it made it unreliable.

After that argument was made, I contacted two professional translators who will translate page 6 of the BIAP document independent of each other. When I receive those translations -- for which I paid a fee to both -- I will post them along with the FR translation as soon as they arrive. That should put an end to speculation about the motives of the translators, and put to rest the worries about "amateurs" involving themselves in the process.

Posted by Captain Ed at April 8, 2006 11:49 AM

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I have chopped up this for a quick flavor ........One really need to read both with concentration to understand what IBD is saying.....etc....

But it is getting interesting ......

And of course we are all Amateurs here.....

12 posted on 04/08/2006 1:09:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: tiredoflaundry
The money quote...from the article.

And the American Press missed this bombshell.

Though little noticed by the press, during a July 2004 visit to Kazakhstan the Russian president said that between 9-11 and the U.S. invasion of Iraq, "Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received . . . information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the U.S. and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations."

13 posted on 04/08/2006 1:09:30 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., says the White House has been dragging its feet for fear of embarrassing supposed allies (such as Russia) whose links with Saddam would come under scrutiny.

Maybe they are afraid Putin will supply nuclear weapons (or already has) to AQ terrorists. Russia has a long way to go before proving they are a trusted friend of the USA.

14 posted on 04/08/2006 1:09:37 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for posting this.


15 posted on 04/08/2006 1:10:21 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Dog
Ignored is more like it.
16 posted on 04/08/2006 1:12:55 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It's obvious why no one can find any mention of these docs in msm. They're just a bunch of selfish and deluded lefties who are clearly embarrassed and chagrined to find out that they were wrong (as usual) and the hated Bush was right to take out Hussein. It 's equally mystifying as to why the Bush admin sits on these docs when shouting out these revelations would fully vindicate the decision to oust Hussein.


17 posted on 04/08/2006 1:12:58 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Cap Huff; Dog; Coop; AdmSmith; jmc1969; Straight Vermonter; Wiz; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge; ...

Sorry for any double p[ings....


18 posted on 04/08/2006 1:14:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One argument that I received after posting the translation supplied by Laurie Mylroie was that because the translation came from Free Republic, it made it unreliable.

Well well well...isnt Laurie Mylroie the same person who is a god to some on this site.

19 posted on 04/08/2006 1:16:14 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I will post them along with the FR translation as soon as they arrive. That should put an end to speculation about the motives of the translators, and put to rest the worries about "amateurs" involving themselves in the process.

Posted by Captain Ed at April 8, 2006 11:49 AM

Is there a ping list for this?


20 posted on 04/08/2006 1:16:19 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: CheyennePress
"reply from lefties"

They're scrambling. Obviously the evidence indicates the exact opposite of what they told you on the forum. I would bet that deep down the lefties know they're wrong. They are simply unable to recognize that Bush was right all along. It would be a shock to their system to admit that they've been wrong...again.

21 posted on 04/08/2006 1:17:50 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: tiredoflaundry; CheyennePress

Osama Bin Laden

"This isn't about WMD, and it's obvious some Arab kook in the mountains of some remote backward 3rd world country poses no threat to our country."


22 posted on 04/08/2006 1:18:27 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Admin Moderator
Ernest when Ed posts an update from his translators you post it in breaking news.

Laurie Mylroie has pissed me off big time..how dare she question someone who is giving up his free time and then call him unreliable..

Hey Laurie whats the matter did he scoop you?

23 posted on 04/08/2006 1:19:32 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: driftless
They're scrambling. Obviously the evidence indicates the exact opposite of what they told you on the forum. I would bet that deep down the lefties know they're wrong. They are simply unable to recognize that Bush was right all along. It would be a shock to their system to admit that they've been wrong...again.

It takes a big man or woman to admit when they are wrong. The left are just a bunch of wussies.

24 posted on 04/08/2006 1:19:42 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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To: saganite
eyespysomething has a ping list for the translations that jveritas has been doing.
25 posted on 04/08/2006 1:20:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: bill1952

Unreal


26 posted on 04/08/2006 1:21:12 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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To: Dog
Well........having read IBD for many years now..I can tell you that...they have been publishing and editorializing like this for years.

Not much has changed...because STILL too many sheeple get told what to think...by the old/liberal/socialist media.

FRegards,

27 posted on 04/08/2006 1:21:31 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: driftless
It's equally mystifying as to why the Bush admin sits on these docs...

One can only hope that they are saving the best stuff for release right before the election. Strategery, ya know. I'm not holding my breath, however.

28 posted on 04/08/2006 1:22:15 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: CheyennePress
MSM and Liberals response:


29 posted on 04/08/2006 1:23:17 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: Dog

I don't think the complaint was laid on LM....directly.


30 posted on 04/08/2006 1:24:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Dog; Ernest_at_the_Beach

I reread that part of the post and it doesn't say Mylroie questioned the translation, it just says she supplied it. Looks like a clarification might be in order


31 posted on 04/08/2006 1:27:25 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: CheyennePress
"Saddam Hussein posed no threat to our country."

Did you tell the lefties that Saddam led an (thankfully failed) attempt to assassinate President Bush 41? An attempted assassination on our President is not an indication of a threat to our country?
32 posted on 04/08/2006 1:29:06 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Is that looter guy?


33 posted on 04/08/2006 1:29:34 PM PDT by jdm
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The IBD editorial is unadulterated elitist bull sh!t. I have relatives who have been contacted by the US government to serve as translators. They have no specific experience other than being fluent in the language to be translated.

As to the ability to make sense of a series of documents by creating a time line and adding context...
I would put the analytical ability of Freepers against the whole stinking government intelligence community. Screw 'em. They blew it.

34 posted on 04/08/2006 1:31:16 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Self appointed RNC Press Secretary for Smarmy Sound Bites.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

BTTT!


35 posted on 04/08/2006 1:31:40 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: Dog; All
I am eager to see the other translations for the same document. You will notice that the differences if any will be very minor between my translation and what ever other translations they will post and it will have zero effect on the substance. For example instead of Suicide Mission as per my translation you may see Suicide Act as per other translations. You may notice some spelling errors in my translations that I fixed later on with the help of the Admin moderator.

If any translation will be different in substance form what I translated then that translation will be wrong and I will issue a challenge to the translator to explain his translation.

36 posted on 04/08/2006 1:32:20 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let me understand this. Is IBD questioning the translations that are made by people like myself because I am called amateur and not a professional? Please let me know.


37 posted on 04/08/2006 1:35:29 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Dog

I don't think the criticism came from Laurie Mylroie but rather someone was criticising her (and CQ's) use of the translation.


38 posted on 04/08/2006 1:36:37 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: jveritas

Start with reading Captain's Quarters....


39 posted on 04/08/2006 1:36:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I read it but I still did not understand exactly what is IBD saying.


40 posted on 04/08/2006 1:39:35 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

I always wanted to ask....what is it like being famous????

Congrats and thanks for all of the hard work.


41 posted on 04/08/2006 1:39:53 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: Straight Vermonter; Dog; jveritas

Gonna get interesting.....


42 posted on 04/08/2006 1:39:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: bill1952

Is that an actual quote?


43 posted on 04/08/2006 1:40:40 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: bill1952

Is that an actual quote?


44 posted on 04/08/2006 1:40:47 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: jveritas

I think Captain Ed agrees with you!


45 posted on 04/08/2006 1:41:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: driftless
"unable to recognize that Bush was right all along"???? .....no, they are TRAITORS or STUPID.....and probably the latter.
46 posted on 04/08/2006 1:41:30 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: jveritas

I think the criticism is not at all of you or other "amatuers" but rather of teh Bush administration for not having the "pros" translate them. Why did we have to wait for you to come along and translate these where the heck are the guys at CIA, DIA and NSA?


47 posted on 04/08/2006 1:43:02 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Thank you but I do not think that I am famous :) I am just a simple engineer translating the documents and posting them on this great forum called Free Republic.
48 posted on 04/08/2006 1:43:43 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"One argument that I received after posting the translation supplied by Laurie Mylroie was that because the translation came from Free Republic, it made it unreliable."

That's a poor argument. For one thing, the translation can be verified by other sources...and once verified, the document becomes sourced, verified evidence.

At that point, the person who blindly claimed that the translation was unreliable (due to FR), herself becomes unreliable instead.

49 posted on 04/08/2006 1:43:57 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am glad to know this :)


50 posted on 04/08/2006 1:45:34 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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