Skip to comments.More Damning Documents On Saddam ~<b>Origins Of War:</b>~~ Why won't Washington get the word out?
Posted on 04/08/2006 12:51:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Friday, June 18, 2004 Posted: 12:46 PM EDT (1646 GMT)
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian intelligence services warned Washington several times that Saddam Hussein's regime planned terrorist attacks against the United States, President Vladimir Putin has said.
The warnings were provided after September 11, 2001 and before the start of the Iraqi war, Putin said Friday.
The planned attacks were targeted both inside and outside the United States, said Putin, who made the remarks during a visit to Kazakhstan.
"I can confirm that after the events of September 11, 2001, and up to the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received ... information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the United States and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations," Putin said.
Well well well...isnt Laurie Mylroie the same person who is a god to some on this site.
Read the comment again, ace. Laurie Mylroie isn't criticizing FR. On the contrary: Mylroie supported and transmitted the FR translation, which the blogger then published. That was then disparaged by an unnamed critic.
You completely misunderstood the comment about Mylroie. See post #53.
More Damning Documents On Saddam ~Origins Of War:~~ Why won't Washington get the word out?
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To those on the left that say, "well it does not say anything about WMD", do you all really think in 3 million documents there will not be a smoking gun saying they were there, most shipped to Syria, others destroyed and some buried? Also that the Russians helped in this removal, destruction and burial?
There will be many more undeniable smoking guns. I say roll the dice and let's see what comes up.
The left and democrat party leaders showed their hand way too early. They spoke way too fast and were way too loose with their words.
Trust me they are very worried about this and so is the mainstream media. They bet it all and the dice are not coming up how they had hoped.
They need to try and bury this or their entire reputation will be tarnished forever. Not to mention, they are too stupid to start admitting maybe they were wrong. Admitting this in their eyes would mean forever being the minority party and the party that can not be trusted with national security. Yet, taking the responsibile stand now by them would actual be the starting process to slowly regaining their credibility. Like I said though, they are too stupid to realize this, and they think we Americans are too stupid we can not disprove them.
I say keep the translations coming, and we all do our best effort to get the word out. It will come out. Get mad because we are not as stupid as the democrats and mainstream media hope we are.
To quote a true hero and great american - "Let's roll"!
Bush is not on the ballot, so his negatives can go really high, and the Administration seems not to care.
However, if the Dems keep up the "Bush Lied, Soldiers Died" line of attack through the Summer, and the Administration can keep this stuff from becoming front page news, then the Bushies can drop the big bomb on the Dems around October 15th. Right then, the Pres. and Congresscritters (R) can go on the offensive and destroy the only strategy to which the Dems have committed.
In the mean time, we can get these things lined up, but SHHHHH!!!! Don't tell the MSM or the cat will be out of the bag too early!
I have full faith in your translations, jveritas!
"According to an unofficial translation, Page 6 of the letter asks for "the names of those who desire to volunteer for suicide mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American interests."
That's the document you translated and posted! People from Investor's Business Daily must have read it here.
March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War documents ^ | April 5 2006 | jveritas
but, but they have masters degrees. In JOUNALISM!
"MUST READ" the entire article at Investors Business Daily -- lots of good, actual info.
"Saddam is heard on a 1997 tape predicting terrorism would soon be coming to the U.S., while his son-in-law who was in charge of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction gloats about lying to U.N. weapons inspectors to hide the extent of Iraq's WMD program.
Saddam, in a tape made in 2000, talks with Iraqi scientists about his plans to build a nuclear device. He discusses Iraq's plasma separation program an advanced uranium-enrichment technique completely missed by U.N. inspectors.
An Iraqi intelligence document, released just two weeks ago, describes a February 1995 meeting between Saddam's spies and Osama bin Laden. During that meeting, bin Laden offered to conduct "joint operations" with Iraq. Saddam subsequently ordered his aides to "develop the relationship" with the al-Qaida leader.
A fax, sent on June 6, 2001, shows conclusively that Saddam's government provided financial aid to Abu Sayyaf guerrillas in the Philippines. Abu Sayyaf is an al-Qaida offshoot co-founded by bin Laden's brother-in-law."
See post 6.
I changed the acual quote about Saddam to OBL to show the illogic of the statement.
As Rush likes to say, people often think history starts with the day they were born. They don't realize that much of what we know about Nazi German and Imperial Japanese actions comes from the documents captured in the wake of the war.
The same is true here. We will know much more about Ba'athist Iraq a year from now than we do today.
We need to get at this info ASAP.
"At present, we're relying too much on translations by bloggers and other amateurs. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., says the White House has been dragging its feet for fear of embarrassing supposed allies (such as Russia) whose links with Saddam would come under scrutiny."
This statement is slamming the Gov't not Jveritas. The problem here is that these document translations should have been included in the Prewar Intelligence investigation. Let's face it, the US Intelligence Agencies were guessing due to the lack of HUMINT on the ground in Iraq. I think that investigation should be reopened to balance the Prewar intelligence picture against these documents. This is the actual historical record of the Hussien regime.
Once again this was played poorly by the administration and history well have to be rewritten.
"This statement is slamming the Gov't not Jveritas. "
I never implied that it was slamming JVeritas.
But JVeritas posted his translation prior to this article, so there is a good chance they used his translation, especially since they specifically quote and refer to the article he recently translated and posted.
He deserves praise and I think it's great that the WSJ is paying attention to his translations.
This is a competitor to the WSJ....I'm not aware that they have commented as yet....
The article also mentions that the Russians clearly had much better intel, than we did.
Our lack of intel was indeed as a result of lack of HUMINT on our part, as you pointed out -- all thanks to Clinton, who cut back on that and created insumountable obstacles for our intel agents, not allowing them to associated with anyone other than Mother Theresa, who is not exactly a good intel asset.
Should be noted, the document translated by jveritas called for recruiting for suicide missions in the AIR FORCE.
Let's remember Salman Pak:
Well they tried....
Sorry, I screwed up, I just recently read something in the WSJ and I read this, and I wasn't paying enough attention to which was which, when I was replying.
This March, 2001 Iraqi memo and Mohammed Atta's reputed trip to Prague in April, 2001, keep bouncing around in my head. If it can be demonstrated that Saddam's regime had advanced knowledge of 9/11, and was in favor of it, game over.
I know the feeling! Check out the responses to my post on another board:
Thanks for the ping!
No, it is more than that, you have to be brain dead to not understand what Saddam was up to before 9-11.
"Why did we have to wait for you to come along and translate these where the heck are the guys at CIA, DIA and NSA?"
They're busy covering up their incompetence. (They told us Saddam wasn't involved with terrorism after the attempt on Bush '41 and bin Laden would never ally himself with Saddam (whom he considered an infidel).
It's better for a disinterested party to do the translation.
The Pajamhadeen Rule!
"It's better that the "amateurs" are doing it. The government agencies would hit the documents."
I've got agree. I mean, in the end, this keeps everyone honest. The originals are all there for everyone to see, not some translation. I think this was a brilliant way to do it once we realize the benefit of this method of 'openness,' and it should help any doubting Iraqis, who can read them, too.
It may well be that the White House knows its enemies at State and CIA could bury the tasty stuff if they could. I also like the scenario that some of the more choice ones may be waiting in the wings for 'deployment.' Now we just need to make sure the 'rats have to be forced to answer their baseless charges.
Thank you :)
Bush probably now questions the motives of Russia. Many within Russia itself think that the apartment bombings in Moscow that occurred in September 1999 where actually carried out by Russian agents. Putin used these bombings as justification to order an Anti-Terrorist operation that started October 1st 1999. Putin was Prime Minister then. Six months later Putin was elected President in a 'wave of patriotic fever'. Notice that Putin did not warn the US about the 9/11 attacks. He only warned the US about terrorist attacks after 9/11. There were articles in Russian media prior to 9/11 talking about coming terrorist attacks on the US. Why didn't Putin warn the US about those prior to 9/11 ?
Perhaps he only warned the US post 9/11 because he wanted Bush to partiticpate in the War on Terror. Then Putin was free to do whatever he wanted in Chechnya. The problem Russia has right now is that if they were so concerned about actual Islamic terrorism, why have they invested so much into Islamic Iran ?
Bush had to respond against Islamic terror, which was a real threat that has been around for decades. The 9/11 attack forced our entrance into the 'Long War' similar to the Pearl Harbor attack forced our entrance into WWII. Afghanistan followed and the Russians went bloody in Chechnya. Then when the US actually invades Iraq, the Russians pull the WMD out and have their disinfo agents in the US start the NO WMD hype. Then they told their 'partner' in the War on Terror, Bush, to not release any intell info concerning Iraq because it could hurt the War on Terror. That is how we theoretically got to where we are now. There are still numerous assets in the US government structure that are protecting Russia and China. Some unfortunately still think they are doing the right thing.
I think saganite meant that when you have ALL THREE TRANSLATIONS of the same document, the one by jveritas and the two independant ones you are contracting to have done, be sure that you contact eyespysomething to ping us to those.
I agree. Welcome to FreeRepublic.
Be careful jveritas ... I hear the New York Times is considering hiring Baghdad Bob to do their translations!
There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!
Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf
But what puzzles me is President Bush also spoke and said he had to finally admit there were no WMD in Iraq (or something like that). I just don't understand why he felt he had to publicly come out and say that. I think it would have been better if he had just kept his mouth shut, because if one of these documents proves that they were there, it will be hard for him to say, "See I told you so."