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More Damning Documents On Saddam ~<b>Origins Of War:</b>~~ Why won't Washington get the word out?
Investors Business Daily ^ | 4/7/2006 | staff

Posted on 04/08/2006 12:51:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Dog

Russia 'warned U.S. about Saddam'

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/18/russia.warning/

Friday, June 18, 2004 Posted: 12:46 PM EDT (1646 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian intelligence services warned Washington several times that Saddam Hussein's regime planned terrorist attacks against the United States, President Vladimir Putin has said.

The warnings were provided after September 11, 2001 and before the start of the Iraqi war, Putin said Friday.

The planned attacks were targeted both inside and outside the United States, said Putin, who made the remarks during a visit to Kazakhstan.

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"I can confirm that after the events of September 11, 2001, and up to the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received ... information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the United States and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations," Putin said.

51 posted on 04/08/2006 1:49:16 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: CheyennePress
I'm wonder how long it will be till the Dem's float a bill denying Bush preemptive strike authority against Iran.
52 posted on 04/08/2006 1:50:00 PM PDT by johnny7 (ďNah, I ainít Jewish, I just donít dig on swine, thatís all.Ē)
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To: Dog
One argument that I received after posting the translation supplied by Laurie Mylroie was that because the translation came from Free Republic, it made it unreliable.

Well well well...isnt Laurie Mylroie the same person who is a god to some on this site.

Read the comment again, ace. Laurie Mylroie isn't criticizing FR. On the contrary: Mylroie supported and transmitted the FR translation, which the blogger then published. That was then disparaged by an unnamed critic.

53 posted on 04/08/2006 1:52:36 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: SkyDancer
For the DU mantra to be true, that 'Bush Lied etc' the following would have to be true.
Bush during the 92-2003 time frame Bush would have had to collected ALL the US Intel on Iraq. (With 1996 or 1998 to 2000 time frame being the most crucial!) Bush would have had to analyze ALL the US Intel. Also Bush would have been the most persuasive President that has ever existed because he would have had to persuade every member of the UN Security Council and other nations in the Middled East that he was right & their intel services were wrong. Or Bush had to do the collection and analysis for them ! All of that would have been a nice trick for a Texas Governor Remember no Security Council member or nation local to Iraq disagreed as to whether Saddam had WMD, the disagreement was what to do about it. A President only knows what his subordinates tell him. If the daily briefs are in error or dishonest. The a President has to ask how & why ! How did these services become so ineffectual & why did that occur ? It certainly takes time for these services to decay. If a President is relatively new to office its doubtful that he caused. It takes several years of bad appointments and bad personnel policies to render these services ineffective.
54 posted on 04/08/2006 1:53:47 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Dog
Laurie Mylroie has pissed me off big time..how dare she question someone who is giving up his free time and then call him unreliable.. Hey Laurie whats the matter did he scoop you?

You completely misunderstood the comment about Mylroie. See post #53.

55 posted on 04/08/2006 1:54:41 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: jazusamo; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Thanks for the ping jazusamo!

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56 posted on 04/08/2006 1:56:13 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: jveritas

To those on the left that say, "well it does not say anything about WMD", do you all really think in 3 million documents there will not be a smoking gun saying they were there, most shipped to Syria, others destroyed and some buried? Also that the Russians helped in this removal, destruction and burial?

There will be many more undeniable smoking guns. I say roll the dice and let's see what comes up.

The left and democrat party leaders showed their hand way too early. They spoke way too fast and were way too loose with their words.

Trust me they are very worried about this and so is the mainstream media. They bet it all and the dice are not coming up how they had hoped.

They need to try and bury this or their entire reputation will be tarnished forever. Not to mention, they are too stupid to start admitting maybe they were wrong. Admitting this in their eyes would mean forever being the minority party and the party that can not be trusted with national security. Yet, taking the responsibile stand now by them would actual be the starting process to slowly regaining their credibility. Like I said though, they are too stupid to realize this, and they think we Americans are too stupid we can not disprove them.

I say keep the translations coming, and we all do our best effort to get the word out. It will come out. Get mad because we are not as stupid as the democrats and mainstream media hope we are.

To quote a true hero and great american - "Let's roll"!


57 posted on 04/08/2006 1:58:58 PM PDT by jrooney (The left says yet these documents do not talk about WMD)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Q: "Why won't Washington get the word out?"

A: Rope-a-dope.

Bush is not on the ballot, so his negatives can go really high, and the Administration seems not to care.

However, if the Dems keep up the "Bush Lied, Soldiers Died" line of attack through the Summer, and the Administration can keep this stuff from becoming front page news, then the Bushies can drop the big bomb on the Dems around October 15th. Right then, the Pres. and Congresscritters (R) can go on the offensive and destroy the only strategy to which the Dems have committed.

In the mean time, we can get these things lined up, but SHHHHH!!!! Don't tell the MSM or the cat will be out of the bag too early!

58 posted on 04/08/2006 2:01:17 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why did Allah create free will and then demand submission? Wouldn't robots have been easier?)
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To: jveritas

I have full faith in your translations, jveritas!


59 posted on 04/08/2006 2:04:27 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: jveritas

"According to an unofficial translation, Page 6 of the letter asks for "the names of those who desire to volunteer for suicide mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American interests."



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That's the document you translated and posted! People from Investor's Business Daily must have read it here.

March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War documents ^ | April 5 2006 | jveritas


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610012/posts


60 posted on 04/08/2006 2:08:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Its better that the "amateurs" are doing it. The government agencies would hit the documents.
61 posted on 04/08/2006 2:08:50 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: driftless
...any mention of these docs in msm. They're just a bunch of selfish and deluded lefties

but, but they have masters degrees. In JOUNALISM!

62 posted on 04/08/2006 2:09:38 PM PDT by Drango (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BTTT
63 posted on 04/08/2006 2:10:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Government bureaucracy would practically stop the translations.
64 posted on 04/08/2006 2:12:17 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BIG BTTT
65 posted on 04/08/2006 2:13:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: All

"MUST READ" the entire article at Investors Business Daily -- lots of good, actual info.

"Saddam is heard on a 1997 tape predicting terrorism would soon be coming to the U.S., while his son-in-law — who was in charge of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction — gloats about lying to U.N. weapons inspectors to hide the extent of Iraq's WMD program.

Saddam, in a tape made in 2000, talks with Iraqi scientists about his plans to build a nuclear device. He discusses Iraq's plasma separation program — an advanced uranium-enrichment technique completely missed by U.N. inspectors.

An Iraqi intelligence document, released just two weeks ago, describes a February 1995 meeting between Saddam's spies and Osama bin Laden. During that meeting, bin Laden offered to conduct "joint operations" with Iraq. Saddam subsequently ordered his aides to "develop the relationship" with the al-Qaida leader.

A fax, sent on June 6, 2001, shows conclusively that Saddam's government provided financial aid to Abu Sayyaf guerrillas in the Philippines. Abu Sayyaf is an al-Qaida offshoot co-founded by bin Laden's brother-in-law."


66 posted on 04/08/2006 2:13:34 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

PAJAMAHADEEN ATTACK!!!


LULULULULULULULULULULULULULU!@#@!#@!


67 posted on 04/08/2006 2:13:54 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: p. henry

See post 6.

I changed the acual quote about Saddam to OBL to show the illogic of the statement.


68 posted on 04/08/2006 2:14:13 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Dog; Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Investors Business Daily is no Newsmax...they are read by the movers and shakers. If they are starting to ask questions then others soon will follow."
As I started to read the article, I had the exact same thoughts. Word will slowly get out. I do hope all Republicans that must run in 2006 for re-election, do have the common sense to have their staff members carefully gathering many of these release documents into a form that can be used not only to re-elect the leader, but in a win/win situation, get out the facts that can turn a majority of Americans back on track, in supporting this administration's need for support on the home front.
The many appeals made by this POTUS in public for reason, as why he decided we had to go in, must continue of course. He cannot back off.
He must continue to make points that offset the L/MSM's desire to hoodwink the public. Perhaps he has staff members preparing notes from these Harmony database packets that will further explain why his decided he had little option at the time, within the framework of 9/11.
69 posted on 04/08/2006 2:17:40 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: eyespysomething

bttt


70 posted on 04/08/2006 2:19:27 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Marine_Uncle

As Rush likes to say, people often think history starts with the day they were born. They don't realize that much of what we know about Nazi German and Imperial Japanese actions comes from the documents captured in the wake of the war.

The same is true here. We will know much more about Ba'athist Iraq a year from now than we do today.

We need to get at this info ASAP.


71 posted on 04/08/2006 2:24:28 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: FairOpinion

"At present, we're relying too much on translations by bloggers and other amateurs. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., says the White House has been dragging its feet for fear of embarrassing supposed allies (such as Russia) whose links with Saddam would come under scrutiny."

This statement is slamming the Gov't not Jveritas. The problem here is that these document translations should have been included in the Prewar Intelligence investigation. Let's face it, the US Intelligence Agencies were guessing due to the lack of HUMINT on the ground in Iraq. I think that investigation should be reopened to balance the Prewar intelligence picture against these documents. This is the actual historical record of the Hussien regime.

Once again this was played poorly by the administration and history well have to be rewritten.


72 posted on 04/08/2006 2:25:19 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Straight Vermonter; Marine_Uncle; Dog; jveritas
AMEN....and We have to support and protect our ....amateur ....Resources.....Big Smile there.....
73 posted on 04/08/2006 2:28:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
For all we know. GWB may have an agreement with Putsie to go easy on the Russian support of Saddam, with a handshake Russia will come around on our side to support very strong sanctions against Iran. To darn many combos to consider.
But at least the POTUS push Negroponte into allowing the Harmony database to be open to the public.
Now as in the clasic pandora's box, the $hit is going to eventuall hit the fan. The goons in those L/MSM editorial rooms can only keep this stuff held down for so long.
74 posted on 04/08/2006 2:31:11 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Wristpin; jveritas

"This statement is slamming the Gov't not Jveritas. "

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I never implied that it was slamming JVeritas.

But JVeritas posted his translation prior to this article, so there is a good chance they used his translation, especially since they specifically quote and refer to the article he recently translated and posted.

He deserves praise and I think it's great that the WSJ is paying attention to his translations.


75 posted on 04/08/2006 2:31:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

This is a competitor to the WSJ....I'm not aware that they have commented as yet....


76 posted on 04/08/2006 2:33:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Wristpin

The article also mentions that the Russians clearly had much better intel, than we did.

Our lack of intel was indeed as a result of lack of HUMINT on our part, as you pointed out -- all thanks to Clinton, who cut back on that and created insumountable obstacles for our intel agents, not allowing them to associated with anyone other than Mother Theresa, who is not exactly a good intel asset.


77 posted on 04/08/2006 2:33:50 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Should be noted, the document translated by jveritas called for recruiting for suicide missions in the AIR FORCE.

Let's remember Salman Pak:

http://goexcelglobal.com/NJ_DefenseForce/images/salmanpak.avi


78 posted on 04/08/2006 2:34:11 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: eyespysomething
Government bureaucracy would practically stop the translations.

Well they tried....

79 posted on 04/08/2006 2:34:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sorry, I screwed up, I just recently read something in the WSJ and I read this, and I wasn't paying enough attention to which was which, when I was replying.


80 posted on 04/08/2006 2:35:14 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This March, 2001 Iraqi memo and Mohammed Atta's reputed trip to Prague in April, 2001, keep bouncing around in my head. If it can be demonstrated that Saddam's regime had advanced knowledge of 9/11, and was in favor of it, game over.


81 posted on 04/08/2006 2:36:50 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly
Remember all the fires when we went into Baghdad.....chances are slim we find anything...
82 posted on 04/08/2006 2:42:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: CheyennePress

I know the feeling! Check out the responses to my post on another board:

http://mb29.scout.com/faccboardsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=38886.topic


83 posted on 04/08/2006 3:04:53 PM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Straight Vermonter
"We will know much more about Ba'athist Iraq a year from now than we do today."
Trued words where never spoken. We have to have confidence enough media sources of various type will start getting the word out. Often some of us can forget, the L/MSM via. the boob tube are not the only sources open to the public. All formes of journals, weeklys such as we see here reach vast audiences.
As Dog commented earlier on, just this one source is going to reach a lot of business people across the political spectrum. Everyone wants a real story and by God they are not going to find a much better one then starting to cash in on these Harmony revelations.
Of course we should not get smug. Really. But feel a bit blessed we have for a few years had the opportunities here at FR and associated blog sites to capture many of the long known things that now will Lord willing become summarized by the willing within the world of journalism.
The POTUS shall be vindicated, and then released from the L/MSM grip. It is only a matter of time. But like you say. ASAP would surely be a welcome way to see the process start rolling.
84 posted on 04/08/2006 3:09:22 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"AMEN....and We have to support and protect our ....amateur ....Resources.....Big Smile there...."
Hey. I'm humble. So be it. The end result, we seek, will come to past.
85 posted on 04/08/2006 3:10:51 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: eyespysomething

Thanks for the ping!


86 posted on 04/08/2006 3:27:27 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: CheyennePress

No, it is more than that, you have to be brain dead to not understand what Saddam was up to before 9-11.


87 posted on 04/08/2006 3:52:35 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Straight Vermonter

"Why did we have to wait for you to come along and translate these where the heck are the guys at CIA, DIA and NSA?"

They're busy covering up their incompetence. (They told us Saddam wasn't involved with terrorism after the attempt on Bush '41 and bin Laden would never ally himself with Saddam (whom he considered an infidel).

It's better for a disinterested party to do the translation.


88 posted on 04/08/2006 3:58:49 PM PDT by RAldrich
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To: jrooney

Great post.


89 posted on 04/08/2006 4:56:12 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Pajamhadeen Rule!


90 posted on 04/08/2006 4:57:23 PM PDT by GEC
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To: Western Phil

"It's better that the "amateurs" are doing it. The government agencies would hit the documents."

I've got agree. I mean, in the end, this keeps everyone honest. The originals are all there for everyone to see, not some translation. I think this was a brilliant way to do it once we realize the benefit of this method of 'openness,' and it should help any doubting Iraqis, who can read them, too.

It may well be that the White House knows its enemies at State and CIA could bury the tasty stuff if they could. I also like the scenario that some of the more choice ones may be waiting in the wings for 'deployment.' Now we just need to make sure the 'rats have to be forced to answer their baseless charges.


91 posted on 04/08/2006 4:57:38 PM PDT by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: eyespysomething

Thank you :)


92 posted on 04/08/2006 4:57:49 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
For all we know. GWB may have an agreement with Putsie to go easy on the Russian support of Saddam, with a handshake Russia will come around on our side to support very strong sanctions against Iran.

Bush probably now questions the motives of Russia. Many within Russia itself think that the apartment bombings in Moscow that occurred in September 1999 where actually carried out by Russian agents. Putin used these bombings as justification to order an Anti-Terrorist operation that started October 1st 1999. Putin was Prime Minister then. Six months later Putin was elected President in a 'wave of patriotic fever'. Notice that Putin did not warn the US about the 9/11 attacks. He only warned the US about terrorist attacks after 9/11. There were articles in Russian media prior to 9/11 talking about coming terrorist attacks on the US. Why didn't Putin warn the US about those prior to 9/11 ?

Perhaps he only warned the US post 9/11 because he wanted Bush to partiticpate in the War on Terror. Then Putin was free to do whatever he wanted in Chechnya. The problem Russia has right now is that if they were so concerned about actual Islamic terrorism, why have they invested so much into Islamic Iran ?

Bush had to respond against Islamic terror, which was a real threat that has been around for decades. The 9/11 attack forced our entrance into the 'Long War' similar to the Pearl Harbor attack forced our entrance into WWII. Afghanistan followed and the Russians went bloody in Chechnya. Then when the US actually invades Iraq, the Russians pull the WMD out and have their disinfo agents in the US start the NO WMD hype. Then they told their 'partner' in the War on Terror, Bush, to not release any intell info concerning Iraq because it could hurt the War on Terror. That is how we theoretically got to where we are now. There are still numerous assets in the US government structure that are protecting Russia and China. Some unfortunately still think they are doing the right thing.

93 posted on 04/08/2006 6:41:09 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Well I could hardly argue against anything you wrote because I hold the same view based on much of what you wrote.
But as you well understand, often things at the top are done for reasons we sometimes do not fanthom in full.
That is why I offered a scenario where the US now bargains with how much protestation will come forth against Russian in all their rotten dirty no good actions of the past, in exchange for them going with us on the Iranian deal.
That is all I was attempting to propose. It is remotely possible I am not full of it, on this one. Then again, ha ha, I have been known to be totally wrong before.
One thing I have maintained for a long time. And that is I don't trust Putin one bit. He and his comrades are always plotting what is best only for them, and the hell with the rest of the world.
And one cannot expect much more from them. The world is a big trading market. How well one plays their bidding, sometimes gets the best price on a given item.
94 posted on 04/08/2006 7:09:40 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; saganite
:eyespysomething has a ping list for the translations that jveritas has been doing."

I think saganite meant that when you have ALL THREE TRANSLATIONS of the same document, the one by jveritas and the two independant ones you are contracting to have done, be sure that you contact eyespysomething to ping us to those.

95 posted on 04/08/2006 7:24:22 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Marine_Uncle
I see your point. So perhaps in this case us 'amateurs' are the stick. This forces the Russian's to the table. Having them help the US government with regards to Iran would be the 'carrot'. Very possible. One 'complication' however is the Anthrax. Whoever supplied the anthrax must pay a real price.
96 posted on 04/08/2006 7:30:59 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: jrooney
They need to try and bury this or their entire reputation will be tarnished forever.

I agree. Welcome to FreeRepublic.

97 posted on 04/08/2006 7:34:15 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: jveritas; eyespysomething
If any translation will be different in substance form what I translated then that translation will be wrong and I will issue a challenge to the translator to explain his translation.

Be careful jveritas ... I hear the New York Times is considering hiring Baghdad Bob to do their translations!

There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!
Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf

98 posted on 04/08/2006 7:42:34 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008174


99 posted on 04/08/2006 7:49:32 PM PDT by petercooper (Cemeteries & the ignorant - comprising 2 of the largest Democrat voting blocs for the past 75 years.)
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To: jrooney; jveritas
"The left and democrat party leaders showed their hand way too early. They spoke way too fast and were way too loose with their words."

But what puzzles me is President Bush also spoke and said he had to finally admit there were no WMD in Iraq (or something like that). I just don't understand why he felt he had to publicly come out and say that. I think it would have been better if he had just kept his mouth shut, because if one of these documents proves that they were there, it will be hard for him to say, "See I told you so."

100 posted on 04/08/2006 8:00:06 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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