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Hat tip to Captains's Quarters....
1 posted on 04/08/2006 12:51:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: jveritas

Developing story ping


2 posted on 04/08/2006 12:55:51 PM PDT by thoughtomator (A nation that cannot or will not control its borders is not a nation at all)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

*bump*


3 posted on 04/08/2006 1:01:21 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The clueless still don't get it!


4 posted on 04/08/2006 1:01:37 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bookmark


5 posted on 04/08/2006 1:03:33 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: onyx; eyespysomething

Ping


7 posted on 04/08/2006 1:05:33 PM PDT by jazusamo (Excuse me Helen, I'm answering your first accusation. - President Bush)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Southack; Marine_Uncle; Rokke

Investors Business Daily is no Newsmax...they are read by the movers and shakers. If they are starting to ask questions then others soon will follow.


8 posted on 04/08/2006 1:06:19 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Even if SH came out now at his trial and said he had all the WMD's he needed and was going to use them on Iran, Israel and the USA, the MSM and Dummo-crats still would say Bush lied and now put SH up to saying that ....


9 posted on 04/08/2006 1:06:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; jveritas; eyespysomething
From the Captain's Quarters Blog:

April 08, 2006
IBD Decries 'Amateur' Effort On Saddam Translations

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An editorial in the Investors Business Daily scolded Congress and the White House for not putting more of an official effort into translating the tens of thousands of documents captured during the fall of Iraq in 2003. CQ reader Angry Dumbo points out one passage that stands out regarding the efforts made by the blogosphere (especially at Free Republic, which translated the document I posted earlier this week):

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At present, we're relying too much on translations by bloggers and other amateurs [emphasis mine -- CE]. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., says the White House has been dragging its feet for fear of embarrassing supposed allies (such as Russia) whose links with Saddam would come under scrutiny.

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I understand Angry Dumbo's irritation. It really does not matter whether amateurs or professionals translate these documents -- rather, the accuracy of the translation is all that we need to ensure. Bloggers have done this because the government simply didn't want to commit the resources necessary to do it. Rather than scold Rep. Hoekstra, IBD should congratulate him for getting someone engaged in determining the contents of this treasure trove of documentation.

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However, knowing the extent of IND's support of the blogosphere, this does not appear to be meant as an insult to bloggers. IBD wants to press the government to take responsibility for the evaluation of these documents rather than push it off to a community of volunteers. That's commendable; the government never should have let these sit for three years unexploited. We could have bridged a gap in our understanding of the war much earlier and avoided a lot of political infighting as a result.

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And Finally

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On the other hand, I'm not sure that I agree with IBD's overall assessment of this credibility gap between the volunteers and the professionals within the intelligence agencies. The administration has to deal with a high level of distrust, a lot of it irrational, that would make anything they produce suspect in most circles.

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And in CONCLUSION

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One argument that I received after posting the translation supplied by Laurie Mylroie was that because the translation came from Free Republic, it made it unreliable.

After that argument was made, I contacted two professional translators who will translate page 6 of the BIAP document independent of each other. When I receive those translations -- for which I paid a fee to both -- I will post them along with the FR translation as soon as they arrive. That should put an end to speculation about the motives of the translators, and put to rest the worries about "amateurs" involving themselves in the process.

Posted by Captain Ed at April 8, 2006 11:49 AM

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I have chopped up this for a quick flavor ........One really need to read both with concentration to understand what IBD is saying.....etc....

But it is getting interesting ......

And of course we are all Amateurs here.....

12 posted on 04/08/2006 1:09:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., says the White House has been dragging its feet for fear of embarrassing supposed allies (such as Russia) whose links with Saddam would come under scrutiny.

Maybe they are afraid Putin will supply nuclear weapons (or already has) to AQ terrorists. Russia has a long way to go before proving they are a trusted friend of the USA.

14 posted on 04/08/2006 1:09:37 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for posting this.


15 posted on 04/08/2006 1:10:21 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It's obvious why no one can find any mention of these docs in msm. They're just a bunch of selfish and deluded lefties who are clearly embarrassed and chagrined to find out that they were wrong (as usual) and the hated Bush was right to take out Hussein. It 's equally mystifying as to why the Bush admin sits on these docs when shouting out these revelations would fully vindicate the decision to oust Hussein.


17 posted on 04/08/2006 1:12:58 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

BTTT!


35 posted on 04/08/2006 1:31:40 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let me understand this. Is IBD questioning the translations that are made by people like myself because I am called amateur and not a professional? Please let me know.


37 posted on 04/08/2006 1:35:29 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Q: "Why won't Washington get the word out?"

A: Rope-a-dope.

Bush is not on the ballot, so his negatives can go really high, and the Administration seems not to care.

However, if the Dems keep up the "Bush Lied, Soldiers Died" line of attack through the Summer, and the Administration can keep this stuff from becoming front page news, then the Bushies can drop the big bomb on the Dems around October 15th. Right then, the Pres. and Congresscritters (R) can go on the offensive and destroy the only strategy to which the Dems have committed.

In the mean time, we can get these things lined up, but SHHHHH!!!! Don't tell the MSM or the cat will be out of the bag too early!

58 posted on 04/08/2006 2:01:17 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why did Allah create free will and then demand submission? Wouldn't robots have been easier?)
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To: jveritas

"According to an unofficial translation, Page 6 of the letter asks for "the names of those who desire to volunteer for suicide mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American interests."



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That's the document you translated and posted! People from Investor's Business Daily must have read it here.

March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests (Translation
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War documents ^ | April 5 2006 | jveritas


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610012/posts


60 posted on 04/08/2006 2:08:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BTTT
63 posted on 04/08/2006 2:10:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Government bureaucracy would practically stop the translations.
64 posted on 04/08/2006 2:12:17 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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"MUST READ" the entire article at Investors Business Daily -- lots of good, actual info.

"Saddam is heard on a 1997 tape predicting terrorism would soon be coming to the U.S., while his son-in-law — who was in charge of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction — gloats about lying to U.N. weapons inspectors to hide the extent of Iraq's WMD program.

Saddam, in a tape made in 2000, talks with Iraqi scientists about his plans to build a nuclear device. He discusses Iraq's plasma separation program — an advanced uranium-enrichment technique completely missed by U.N. inspectors.

An Iraqi intelligence document, released just two weeks ago, describes a February 1995 meeting between Saddam's spies and Osama bin Laden. During that meeting, bin Laden offered to conduct "joint operations" with Iraq. Saddam subsequently ordered his aides to "develop the relationship" with the al-Qaida leader.

A fax, sent on June 6, 2001, shows conclusively that Saddam's government provided financial aid to Abu Sayyaf guerrillas in the Philippines. Abu Sayyaf is an al-Qaida offshoot co-founded by bin Laden's brother-in-law."


66 posted on 04/08/2006 2:13:34 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

PAJAMAHADEEN ATTACK!!!


LULULULULULULULULULULULULULU!@#@!#@!


67 posted on 04/08/2006 2:13:54 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
For all we know. GWB may have an agreement with Putsie to go easy on the Russian support of Saddam, with a handshake Russia will come around on our side to support very strong sanctions against Iran. To darn many combos to consider.
But at least the POTUS push Negroponte into allowing the Harmony database to be open to the public.
Now as in the clasic pandora's box, the $hit is going to eventuall hit the fan. The goons in those L/MSM editorial rooms can only keep this stuff held down for so long.
74 posted on 04/08/2006 2:31:11 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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