The real cost will be a bloody civil war, Bosnia on steroids.
The polidiots will express shock and dismay.
"We had no idea! Nobody could have seen this coming!"
Posted on 04/09/2006 12:22:14 PM PDT by SandRat
SIERRA VISTA — Republicans and Democrats are badly split within their parties when it comes to immigration reform, Republican U.S. Sen. Jon Kyl said Saturday.
While being optimistic about an immigration reform bill passing Congress this session, Arizona’s senior senator said it will take hard work to overcome the different views within the GOP ranks and to bring a sufficient number of Democrats into the fold for a bill to make it out of the upper chamber.
The main issue is a temporary guest-worker plan, something the president wants and that can be found in a proposal put forward by Arizona’s other Republican senator, John McCain, and U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., Kyl said.
He made his comments before heading into the Cochise County Republican Committee’s headquarters in Sierra Vista on Saturday to challenge the party faithful to become involved in this year’s elections, especially the critical congressional race.
Kyl is running for re-election. His anticipated Democratic opponent is Jim Pederson, who questions Kyl’s immigration stance.
Kyl said the split in the Republican ranks will be hard to solve, but the one facing the Democrats is even more difficult.
Although he and McCain are on different sides in the immigration debate, Kyl said he appreciates McCain’s view that allowing amendments means the state’s junior senator is willing to compromise.
Amendments are part of the process in strengthening a bill, and McCain knows that and supports it, Kyl said.
When it comes to the McCain and Kennedy package, Kyl said he will not vote for it, but at least it will have an opportunity to come up for a vote if everyone works together.
The compromise in question is a proposal by U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., and U.S. Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., that would separate illegal immigrants into groups based on the length of time they have resided illegally in the country.
Part of the proposal by Kyl and fellow Republican U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, of Texas, gives up to five years for illegal immigrants to leave the United States.
There should be no enticement to allow them to start on the path of becoming citizens, Kyl said.
The opposition plan that will allow illegal immigrants to remain in the country with requirements to pay back taxes, a fine and other requirements are a “pretty please” proposal, he said.
Becoming partisan, the senator said the Democrats under Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, of Nevada, are disruptive to finding a solution to the immigration problem.
Reid doesn’t want amendments offered and is using the parliamentary maneuvers to stop any from being discussed, Kyl said.
“It’s pure politics,” he said.
However, Pederson said it is Kyl who is scuttling the bi-partisan immigration compromise. Kyl introduced a controversial amendment creating the partisan impasse, Pederson stated in a Friday press release.
Kyl told the nearly 100 people at the county headquarters that this year “the other side has a plan, and the plan is to be negative and nasty.”
From the viewpoint of Randy Graf, a Republican U.S. representative hopeful, Kyl is on the mark when it comes to his race for the party’s nod to be the candidate for the seat in Congressional District. 8. The seat is being vacated by 11-term U.S. Rep. Jim Kolbe, who has held the position for the Republicans. Kolbe announced in November that he is retiring at the end of this term.
Graf went against Kolbe in the 2004 primary. Although he lost the primary, Graf carried Cochise County. His main issue was border security.
Although he isn’t in Congress, Graf is watching the immigration reform fight closely. He sees the Senate and House of Representatives “on a collision course.”
The House passed a bill calling for more stringent control of the border and no guest-worker program.
The 435-member House faces an important election, and if the Democrats win back control of the chamber it could mean the bill that has already been passed may be changed by the new Congress, unless there is a law satisfactory to both the House and the Senate, Graf said.
President George W. Bush has embraced the ideas outlined in the McCain and Kennedy bill. Graf believes the president is wrong.
He said illegal immigrants are mostly unskilled and undereducated and will become more of a burden to the American taxpayer if they are somehow allowed legal status.
With legal status comes the right to medical benefits and other social services, all to the detriment to the American taxpayer, Graf said.
While running his campaign, he noted that watching the happenings in Washington, D.C., “has been very frustrating.”
While Kyl is somewhat optimistic an immigration reform bill be pass before the November elections, Graf is pessimistic.
There is no real middle ground in the proposals being floated, he said.
“It’s an emotional issue,” Graf said.
Apparently they don't mean the people when they think of "the parties".
For your consideration and edification on the state of border politics.
I like my amnesty plan!
Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!
IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!
President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!
Start building the fence.
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.
I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.
"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default:
by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."
AYN RAND
We need REAL LEADERSHIP in House and Senate and come November let's get it.
In 2008 vote Tancredo.
There are 10 million liberal illegal socialists and 289 million of us voters, LET'S ROLL!
Bump!
Busounds like a lot of egos.
How the American people is not even be mentioned by any but our allies
You know this border thing is really simple; although I don't believe some would understand. The only question you need to ask is if you are the same or are you different? And that goes for other agenda cry baby groups that feel that everything should be done for them only.
Americans are SICK of having Mexico shoved down our throats while being forced to pay the bills!
After all these demonstrations they are having again and again imagine the bill to clean up after them yet another expense to the taxpayer.
The real cost will be a bloody civil war, Bosnia on steroids.
The polidiots will express shock and dismay.
"We had no idea! Nobody could have seen this coming!"
Where parties are fractured like this most intelligent politicians would recognize the issue as other than a partisan one and stop trying to fit it into the weird bipolar tribal model that seems to have been substituted for common sense these days. I'd love just once to see both parties try to work out a compromise that would work in the interest of the country rather than force the country to work for the interest of the political parties.
Look, it's pretty simple.
Democrats have an unhappy base comprised of union and/or black Americans that are against this.
Republicans have a base that demands law enforcement and/or culturla preservation.
This results in at least 2/3rd's of Americans against blanket amnesty with mere rhetoric given to border enforcement.
Both parties stand to lose because they are chasing a minority. For Republicans they are chasing the dream of a Majority of Hispanics voting for them in future even though Hispanics ahve a split about this, as well responding to the businesses that fund their campaigns.
Dems are responding to the slim Majority of a Minority, the slightly over half of Hispanics that favor this....and trying to bring in more Dem voters by making illegals "legal".
The right thing to do would be for both parties to call "uncle", stand in unison and do what the Majority of the American people want. It would be the simplest act as well.
The right thing to do would be for both parties to call "uncle", stand in unison and do what the Majority of the American people want. It would be the simplest act as well.
Unfortunately, that will happen about when monkeys fly out of thier butts. You're right on in your analysis, but there is too much acrimony on both sides for either one to make this happen. Too bad...because this sh*t is NOT going away, and it will get worse and worse until something is done. My fear is that even then it will be the wrong thing...
Our government has been allowing Mexico to invade our country for some time, and we want that stopped.
The article is pretty good, as far as it goes, but the replies are better.
I don't recognize several of the posters as being regulars on illegal immigration threads, but I do recognize their position. The word is getting out.
When an atheist starts making more sense than the US Senate, we have some very basic and profound problems.
That is what is important-the word spreading, it took us alot of years didn't it? And a bunch of riled illegals!
Yes, it did take a lot of years. And a lot of heartache.
But seeing the groundswell of support that killed the bill in the Senate was well worth it.
Your tagline is great!!!!!!!! **I looked it up, btw**
EARTH CALLING SENATORS....give the invaders and their employers 30 days. Then, any invaders get booted forever (including no vacation or education visas) and employers get stiff fines and jail time.
These aristocrats in the Senate are still lecturing US and trying for a deal that only appeases enough voters and caters to their global, corporate paymasters.
Maybe it's time for a new party, totally members of the HOR. Let it be Dems and Reps, get the big issues destroying this nation settled, then get back to the old liberal vs. conservative perspectives.
Grrrr.........
Support our Minutemen Patriots!
Be Ever Vigilant!
The problem is that the politcal class is fractured from the people it represents. An overwhelming majority of Americans want the border secured and the invaders out, yet many of those in Washington seem to think they know better than the folks who hired them. We need to let them know they are wrong with our wallets and at the ballot box. Remind them who they work for.
The reason it's fractured is due to the corruption associated with re-election bids.
IMO, America ought limit its legislative branch members to one eight year term, thus forever ending the incumbant re-election process and the corruption brought on by campaign funding.
Tancredo is a Spanish name. Ergo, anyone opposed to him is a RACIST.
"Part of the proposal by Kyl and fellow Republican U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, of Texas, gives up to five years for illegal immigrants to leave the United States."
Your right, grania, five years is definitely too long.
Besides that, I read on another thread recently that when they do go back to their country of origin, they can IMMEDIATELY return. I think that the "immediate return" clause is even worse than the five year window.
The single issue that would put House Republicans at greatest risk of losing the moajority is passing legislation that establishes a 'temporary worker program' or any 'path to citizenship'.
If the House stands firm against that, they can hold the majority. IMO.
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Graf went against Kolbe in the 2004 primary. Although he lost the primary, Graf carried Cochise County. His main issue was border security.
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This is pretty powerful. Here is a candidate running for an open seat, given Kolbe is leaving. This is a chance for the GOP to hold an open seat with a candidate who aligns with many FReepers focused on this issue.
Has there been a primary completed yet and is he the nominee? If not, is his primary opponent similarly supportable?
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